Mayweather's legacy

[crusader]

Have to disagree that he looked to be losing against Ortiz.

[caldo2025]

People won't remember these details in the long term though. The details fade. Youngsters who will come into the sport later won't have even been around to witness the things we have. In 20 years' time what will be left will his perfect record against a long list of top fighters and the memories of fans about the ducking, weight stipulations, timing etc. His record will look better and better as time passes, IMO.

I disagree with you completely. In fact, Floyd's most memorable victory historically will end up being the sham happening in a few weeks. Boxing historians clearly associate strength of resume when reviewing fighters of yesteryear. Why isn't Rocky Marciano on most top 5 lists? Some people don't even have him on top 5 heavyweights of all time lists. 49-0. 43 KO's. He, like Floyd, ended up fighting great fighters well after they got old and past their prime, hence, not getting the much credit for them. Rocky's lack of opposition and big legacy fights have kept him from top consideration for years. The same will happen to Floyd.

I think actually think his 130-135lb years will serve him in good stead. The Canelo and Oscar fights will also go in his favour as well. But it's the overall perception of him that won't change. Floyd is the best pocket fighter I've ever seen. His shot selection and ability to execute at will, is on par with any the sport has produced. But when I think of the type of fighters he has fought at 147 and 154 and the time at which he faced them in their careers, it leaves a lot to be desired. He beat Maidana, but he didn't look convincing in either fight. The gloves issue, the unsportsman like behaviour to beat Ortiz, in a fight he looked to be losing. Avoiding Keith Thurman for a good 18 months. Now there's a fighter, who would've read Floyd his last rites.

Another fighter Floyd was lucky to avoid is Errol Spence Jr.

When we discuss legacy we need to ask ourselves one simple question. Did Mayweather's career (in it's entirety) enhance the sport of boxing . The answer in his case is no.

Solid points here and I agree with most of them but i do think that Floyd brought SOME value to Boxing. Floyd filled the terrible void that the pathetic heavyweight division mired through for a decade of futility without a brand name shining through. It's pretty remarkable that a Welterweight was responsible for most of the entertainment the sport experienced in that time. Yeah, most of the fights sucked but Floyd put asses in the seats and the sofa when no one else was selling a thing. Not only that but future boxers will make money because of what Floyd did and the way he paved.

It may sound like a strange comparison but I equate Floyd's run in Boxing to that of Tiger Wood's effect on Golf. Tiger and Floyd changed the pay scale in their sports so dramatically that future generations of pro athletes in both of those sports will feel the benefit. Tiger won his first tournament in 1996 and won $290k. In 2013 he won his last tournament and pocketed 1.5m. Floyd is going to make over 100m for his second time and he's paved the way for others and his per fight record earnings will be beaten by someone in the next 5-10 years.

[G.McClellan]

I disagree with you completely. In fact, Floyd's most memorable victory historically will end up being the sham happening in a few weeks. Boxing historians clearly associate strength of resume when reviewing fighters of yesteryear. Why isn't Rocky Marciano on most top 5 lists? Some people don't even have him on top 5 heavyweights of all time lists. 49-0. 43 KO's. He, like Floyd, ended up fighting great fighters well after they got old and past their prime, hence, not getting the much credit for them. Rocky's lack of opposition and big legacy fights have kept him from top consideration for years. The same will happen to Floyd.

I think actually think his 130-135lb years will serve him in good stead. The Canelo and Oscar fights will also go in his favour as well. But it's the overall perception of him that won't change. Floyd is the best pocket fighter I've ever seen. His shot selection and ability to execute at will, is on par with any the sport has produced. But when I think of the type of fighters he has fought at 147 and 154 and the time at which he faced them in their careers, it leaves a lot to be desired. He beat Maidana, but he didn't look convincing in either fight. The gloves issue, the unsportsman like behaviour to beat Ortiz, in a fight he looked to be losing. Avoiding Keith Thurman for a good 18 months. Now there's a fighter, who would've read Floyd his last rites.

Another fighter Floyd was lucky to avoid is Errol Spence Jr.

When we discuss legacy we need to ask ourselves one simple question. Did Mayweather's career (in it's entirety) enhance the sport of boxing . The answer in his case is no.

Solid points here and I agree with most of them but i do think that Floyd brought SOME value to Boxing. Floyd filled the terrible void that the pathetic heavyweight division mired through for a decade of futility without a brand name shining through. It's pretty remarkable that a Welterweight was responsible for most of the entertainment the sport experienced in that time. Yeah, most of the fights sucked but Floyd put asses in the seats and the sofa when no one else was selling a thing. Not only that but future boxers will make money because of what Floyd did and the way he paved.

It may sound like a strange comparison but I equate Floyd's run in Boxing to that of Tiger Wood's effect on Golf. Tiger and Floyd changed the pay scale in their sports so dramatically that future generations of pro athletes in both of those sports will feel the benefit. Tiger won his first tournament in 1996 and won $290k. In 2013 he won his last tournament and pocketed 1.5m. Floyd is going to make over 100m for his second time and he's paved the way for others and his per fight record earnings will be beaten by someone in the next 5-10 years.

The money in boxing is always centred around a name. Ali, Tyson, Canelo, Oscar, Mayweather.

Other fighters won't command the same salaries as these men as they won't\can't capture the imagination of the public. And that's regardless of talent or whether they're fighting the best.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

The best boxer in the last 20+ years. Very skilled boxer and probably one of the smartest boxers I've ever seen. Defensively brilliant, great at making adjustments and uncanny timing.

Alot of his wins are very underrated and alot that has to do with his style of fighting and his personality. But to be honest there isn't another fighting right now that has the boxing ability to duplicate what Floyd achieved.

- Well, it's good sissies got a fighter they understand.

Like when he went squallin' for his daddy against Maidana like you do for Nate senior. Need to take beat out of his boxing vocabulary, cause he ain't beatin' nobody but girls and even then he needs the help of his security like he needs his refs, judges and commish in Vegas along with travis Tygart to win his sissy decisions.

Lessee, Roy consensus fighter of decade in the 90s, manny in 00s with 8 division titles, 4 of then lineal, and fought, beat, and KOed more Ring p4pers in history, ranked over 12 years as p4p, ect. And not a stay at home sissy needing 350lb minders saving his bacon. Wlad approaching and breaking Joe Louis records with knockouts galore.

Yeah, but sissies always gonna go with sissies, so its OK if you want to cry. We got you covered!

[Tanzio]

The best boxer in the last 20+ years. Very skilled boxer and probably one of the smartest boxers I've ever seen. Defensively brilliant, great at making adjustments and uncanny timing.

Alot of his wins are very underrated and alot that has to do with his style of fighting and his personality. But to be honest there isn't another fighting right now that has the boxing ability to duplicate what Floyd achieved.

- Well, it's good sissies got a fighter they understand.

Like when he went squallin' for his daddy against Maidana like you do for Nate senior. Need to take beat out of his boxing vocabulary, cause he ain't beatin' nobody but girls and even then he needs the help of his security like he needs his refs, judges and commish in Vegas along with travis Tygart to win his sissy decisions.

Lessee, Roy consensus fighter of decade in the 90s, manny in 00s with 8 division titles, 4 of then lineal, and fought, beat, and KOed more Ring p4pers in history, ranked over 12 years as p4p, ect. And not a stay at home sissy needing 350lb minders saving his bacon. Wlad approaching and breaking Joe Louis records with knockouts galore.

Yeah, but sissies always gonna go with sissies, so its OK if you want to cry. We got you covered!

Please back away slowly from the word "sissy" or you may be prosecuted for cliché abuse.

[caldo2025]

I think actually think his 130-135lb years will serve him in good stead. The Canelo and Oscar fights will also go in his favour as well. But it's the overall perception of him that won't change. Floyd is the best pocket fighter I've ever seen. His shot selection and ability to execute at will, is on par with any the sport has produced. But when I think of the type of fighters he has fought at 147 and 154 and the time at which he faced them in their careers, it leaves a lot to be desired. He beat Maidana, but he didn't look convincing in either fight. The gloves issue, the unsportsman like behaviour to beat Ortiz, in a fight he looked to be losing. Avoiding Keith Thurman for a good 18 months. Now there's a fighter, who would've read Floyd his last rites.

Another fighter Floyd was lucky to avoid is Errol Spence Jr.

When we discuss legacy we need to ask ourselves one simple question. Did Mayweather's career (in it's entirety) enhance the sport of boxing . The answer in his case is no.

Solid points here and I agree with most of them but i do think that Floyd brought SOME value to Boxing. Floyd filled the terrible void that the pathetic heavyweight division mired through for a decade of futility without a brand name shining through. It's pretty remarkable that a Welterweight was responsible for most of the entertainment the sport experienced in that time. Yeah, most of the fights sucked but Floyd put asses in the seats and the sofa when no one else was selling a thing. Not only that but future boxers will make money because of what Floyd did and the way he paved.

It may sound like a strange comparison but I equate Floyd's run in Boxing to that of Tiger Wood's effect on Golf. Tiger and Floyd changed the pay scale in their sports so dramatically that future generations of pro athletes in both of those sports will feel the benefit. Tiger won his first tournament in 1996 and won $290k. In 2013 he won his last tournament and pocketed 1.5m. Floyd is going to make over 100m for his second time and he's paved the way for others and his per fight record earnings will be beaten by someone in the next 5-10 years.

The money in boxing is always centred around a name. Ali, Tyson, Canelo, Oscar, Mayweather.

Other fighters won't command the same salaries as these men as they won't\can't capture the imagination of the public. And that's regardless of talent or whether they're fighting the best.

You can point to any decade in boxing and there's one top selling boxer that gets paid the lions share of the money and that won't change. Someone in the next 5-10 years will make more money than Floyd did in his two top paying fights.