SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was brutal, Atlas alternated between calling him The Matrix, David Copperfield and Frank Sinatra. Tessatore was talking about Floyd being strictly a defensive fighter. Granted, he never had a title fight against opposition this weak at 130, but he certainly would have ended that fight sooner if he did.
That's not true at all. How about Justin Juuko? Like Marriaga he was coming to the title fight after the loss, but against MUCH weaker opponent than Oscar Valdez (49-22 Antonio Hernandez). Oh yeah, and it was a stoppage loss. And his another loss was a TKO2 loss to the fighter that ended his career with 27-18-2 record. Marriaga also had two losses, but in both those losses he went the distance against top opponents. Marriaga is better than Juuko. And Floyd needed more time to stop Juuko, who was well known for his glass jaw, than Loma needed to stop Marriaga, who was never stopped before.
Carlos Gerena wan't any better than Marriaga as well, and Floyd won that fight exactly like Lomachenko did today - corner stoppage after 7 rounds.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was brutal, Atlas alternated between calling him The Matrix, David Copperfield and Frank Sinatra. Tessatore was talking about Floyd being strictly a defensive fighter. Granted, he never had a title fight against opposition this weak at 130, but he certainly would have ended that fight sooner if he did.
That's not true at all. How about Justin Juuko? Like Marriaga he was coming to the title fight after the loss, but against MUCH weaker opponent than Oscar Valdez (49-22 Antonio Hernandez). Oh yeah, and it was a stoppage loss. And his another loss was a TKO2 loss to the fighter that ended his career with 27-18-2 record. Marriaga also had two losses, but in both those losses he went the distance against top opponents. Marriaga is better than Juuko. And Floyd needed more time to stop Juuko, who was well known for his glass jaw, than Loma needed to stop Marriaga, who was never stopped before.
Carlos Gerena wan't any better than Marriaga as well, and Floyd won that fight exactly like Lomachenko did today - corner stoppage after 7 rounds.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, the announcers are what did it for me. First on HBO, then ESPN took it up several levels. The showboating will always bother many.
Just scanned through the fight. Reminds me why I never cared for ESPN cards, Testicletorre with his faux enthusiasm and Atlas being goofy, although less negative than usual. I bet him having Loma over Crawford P4P was the last straw for you. As for the showboating, I've never cared for it but much of the time it seems to be in response to his opponents not fighting, so I can't really care too much.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yeah, the announcers are what did it for me. First on HBO, then ESPN took it up several levels. The showboating will always bother many.
Just scanned through the fight. Reminds me why I never cared for ESPN cards, Testicletorre with his faux enthusiasm and Atlas being goofy, although less negative than usual. I bet him having Loma over Crawford P4P was the last straw for you. As for the showboating, I've never cared for it but much of the time it seems to be in response to his opponents not fighting, so I can't really care too much.
I didn't know Teddy had him over Bud, but I don't have a problem with that anyway. The relentless David Copperfield comparisons played a big role. He wasn't negative because he's a hypocrite shilling for the network. If that was a GGG fight he'd be going berserk about what a shitty match up it was.
I'd call Garcia vs Loma close to 50/50, maybe slightly favouring the bigger man Garcia to make over power the more skilful smaller man in the championship rounds
Ossyrules wrote:I'd call Garcia vs Loma close to 50/50, maybe slightly favouring the bigger man Garcia to make over power the more skilful smaller man in the championship rounds
I don't know man. I am a huge Garcia fan. He is my favorite fighter. But, in the 20+ years that I've been following the sport, Lomachenko is the best I've seen. He is superb.
Ossyrules wrote:I'd call Garcia vs Loma close to 50/50, maybe slightly favouring the bigger man Garcia to make over power the more skilful smaller man in the championship rounds
I don't know man. I am a huge Garcia fan. He is my favorite fighter. But, in the 20+ years that I've been following the sport, Lomachenko is the best I've seen. He is superb.
It's not a fight I can call with confidence to be honest, I think it's so even. Loma is clearly the more skilled fighter, but Garcia definitely has physical advantages he can take in the fight
crusader wrote:He was toying with him and didnt lose 15 seconds of that fight. Punishment? He got hit with pretty much nothing meaningful. Hes just one of those guys who marks up.
If he fights Mikey at 135 in the next year he will get torn up.
crusader wrote:He was toying with him and didnt lose 15 seconds of that fight. Punishment? He got hit with pretty much nothing meaningful. Hes just one of those guys who marks up.
If he fights Mikey at 135 in the next year he will get torn up.
Mikey will.
Hopefully we will see. If Lomassiah defeats Mikey at 135 I will give him his due. Last night he looked like he would be vulnerable to a big, efficient boxer like Mikey. I was not impressed.
Of course, Lomassiah was yawning prior to the fight (like the rest of us).
If it was happening this year I would take Mikey by TKO mid to late.
It's not going to happen. Good thing for atlas, if lomachenko lost in front of him he might kill himself. Hypothetically, I don't know whom I would pick. Slight lean to Mikey.
I think that Mikey roughs him up, times him, drops him and they throw in the towel between 7 and 10 with Lomassiah's face a hot mess. But who knows? I hope it happens eventually.
gilgamesh wrote:For the record. The Tapping on the head thing Loma does, I don't care for, but I was amused at the moment he backed himself into a corner and dared Marriaga to come in and attack him. I've never seen that before.
Lomassiah got nailed hard playing that game in the corner.
Btw, Stephen A Smith is embarrassing as a boxing analyst.
Loma will likely not play with Mikey. Also, Mikey doesn't move his head and body as well as Marriaga, nowhere close. That movement was a key to Marriaga looking game for a while.
gilgamesh wrote:For the record. The Tapping on the head thing Loma does, I don't care for, but I was amused at the moment he backed himself into a corner and dared Marriaga to come in and attack him. I've never seen that before.
Lomassiah got nailed hard playing that game in the corner.
Btw, Stephen A Smith is embarrassing as a boxing analyst.
Loma will likely not play with Mikey. Also, Mikey doesn't move his head and body as well as Marriaga, nowhere close. That movement was a key to Marriaga looking game for a while.
Mikey does nothing that is not necessary. He moves his head enough. He feints enough. He throws enough.
I have never seen Mikey miss as much as Lomassiah missed last night.
Tanzio wrote:
Lomassiah got nailed hard playing that game in the corner.
Btw, Stephen A Smith is embarrassing as a boxing analyst.
Loma will likely not play with Mikey. Also, Mikey doesn't move his head and body as well as Marriaga, nowhere close. That movement was a key to Marriaga looking game for a while.
Mikey does nothing that is not necessary. He moves his head enough. He feints enough. He throws enough.
I have never seen Mikey miss as much as Lomassiah missed last night.
Did you see him fight somebody who had a sole purpose to not get hit and moved like Marriaga?
boxing_rocks wrote:
Loma will likely not play with Mikey. Also, Mikey doesn't move his head and body as well as Marriaga, nowhere close. That movement was a key to Marriaga looking game for a while.
Mikey does nothing that is not necessary. He moves his head enough. He feints enough. He throws enough.
I have never seen Mikey miss as much as Lomassiah missed last night.
Did you see him fight somebody who had a sole purpose to not get hit and moved like Marriaga?
Mikey would have thrown less, landed more, took less punishment, and legitimately ktfo Marriaga earlier.
Sequitorian wrote:ESPN is mostly responsible for the decline of boxing in the US ... for decades they ONLY reported boxing's miscues ... I can't tell you how many times one of their weaselly little announcers regurgitated the phrase "another black eye for boxing" ...
And Teddy Atlas is a moron ... he looks, speaks and acts like a moron ... that's why he's still there ... they consider him boxing's spokesperson ... it's ESPN's way of presenting boxing as a sport for morons ... somehow less than all that other crap they gloat over ...
... (and this has nothing to do with the fact that their idiotic, meaningless NFL awards show ran over for an hour and a half (here in the US) ... whereupon they cut away to cover the Loma card at the 9th round of the Beltran fight) ...
Agree. The pre-fight with Smith and the other dope is brutal. Atlas is unlistenable at this point. I feel bad for Bradley.
Blodhemn wrote:Lol @ the Loma hate, which is just kind of weird at this point but it is what it is. Garcia has been cutting massive weight for ages. He's got Mexican blood after all.
Yep...very hard to reach any notably level of attention without people becoming negative. Dude is an excellent fighter who has been pushing himself very hard.
There was none...you can do what you want. Those are just some reasons why i don't cheer against hm though... i consider him for what he is independent of the hype.
As for the showboating, I've never cared for it but much of the time it seems to be in response to his opponents not fighting, so I can't really care too much.