Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

[elmersalsa]

He padded his record with fights against big names who were past their best. This is not exactly breaking news.

I don't want to be nasty, but that is not true.

[IKSRTFO]

Floyd would see lunch if he fought Tommy Hearns... You musta forgot that styles make fights

Floyd has one of the sneakier right leads in the History of Boxing -- and ask yourself what punch Hearns got hit with... Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley all nailed Hearns with big right hands -- knocking Tommy out in fact.

Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn (who beat Barkley), Reggie Johnson, Nigel Benn (who beat Barkley), James Toney (who beat Barkley), Julian Jackson, and Harol Graham would have all taken Tommy, among other fighters who would have beaten Hearns up and put him OUT!!.. You also have to ask yourself if Mayweather had a better and sneakier right hand lead and counter than the guys who knocked Hearns out.

Now Floyd hasn't scored a KO in the last 6 years because he's 40...but he won the majority of his career fights by KO.. Welterweights he knocked out include Sharmba MItchell.. Victor Ortiz.. and RIcky Hatton .... Hearns didn't necessarily have a stronger chin than those folks.

The fight could end 3 ways.. 1: Floyd could nail Tommy to the floor like Hagler and Barkley did---I don't think Tommy's chin was that great... 2: Floyd could wear him out and pound him to a stoppage like Leonard did when skinny Tommy ran out of gas.. 3. It could be a dominant decision for Floyd.

If you think Tommy had 2 much firepower for Floyd-- remember that Floyd is noted for being the best defensive boxer in the history of the sport and Hearns was noted for having holes in his defense that you could drive a right hand through.

He did have a stronger chin than those guys. Leonard would've knocked Hatton, Ortiz and Mitchell out with ease. He's never been hurt by anything less than murderous punchers at 147-160. At 147, he was only hurt by Leonard, no one else. The others who have hurt him were 160 and up. No one has a weak chin because Hagler hurt them. That is stupid. And the guys who you've mentioned would've beaten Hearns are like career middleweight and up guys. Floyd's right hand doesn't match those guys.

[Counter-puncher]

Yes but Hearns never beat an unbeaten fighter like Nicholas Walters

[Ambling Alp II]

He padded his record with fights against big names who were past their best. This is not exactly breaking news.

I don't want to be nasty, but that is not true.

Of course it is. Zero wins against great fighters when they were in their prime. If he did, people would actually give names of great opponents he beat who were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

[northern]

this fight just sounds amazing, two boxers who if you put them in their best condition to fight each other would make an incredible fight.

Floyd's counter punching and movement against Hearns rangy style and that right hand that could separate you from your senses. I wouldn't care who won i'd just love to watch the show.

[elmersalsa]

He padded his record with fights against big names who were past their best. This is not exactly breaking news.

I don't want to be nasty, but that is not true.

Of course it is. Zero wins against great fighters when they were in their prime. If he did, people would actually give names of great opponents he beat who were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

[Kalan]

Was Paul Williams a significant Welterweight???? ... That's a question... He easily beat Margarito so he wasn't an also ran of the era... Whether he would have posed any problems for Floyd is another question... And I figure Manny Pacquiao would have made a better fight of it about 6 years earlier.

Did Hearns avoid hitters like MIke McCallum... Michael Nunn... and Reggie Johnson??? ... That's another question.

Are boxers allowed to avoid certain styles and boxers they figure would give them trouble if they can possibly avoid them??? ... That's another question. Remember, Sugar Ray Leonard immediately abandoned the Middleweight Title he won from Hagler.. He didn't like his top rated challengers.

[Ambling Alp II]

I don't want to be nasty, but that is not true.

Of course it is. Zero wins against great fighters when they were in their prime. If he did, people would actually give names of great opponents he beat who were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

[Ketchel]

If this fight was made Tommy would get in the ring, look across the ring at Floyd. He would then look to his left to Kenny Bayliss who is holding a baseball bat shaking his head at Hearns saying 'Not your night tonight Tommy'.

[elmersalsa]

Of course it is. Zero wins against great fighters when they were in their prime. If he did, people would actually give names of great opponents he beat who were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

Nonsense. He beat them all.

[Kalan]

Of course it is. Zero wins against great fighters when they were in their prime. If he did, people would actually give names of great opponents he beat who were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

Leonard took on prime Welterweight Hearns -- then beat Tommy up and knocked him out... Leonard admitted Floyd would be tougher "Maybe my toughest fight and most people would say he would beat me." ... Also Corrales was prime... and Floyd was a lot older than Pacquiao, but beat him. So really you don't know what your talking about when you say Floyd didn't meet great fighters..

Was Oscar De La Hoya a World Champion at 154 when Floyd beat him??? Was MIguel Cotto a prime 31 who was yet to win more World Titles??? Hearns never beat anyone like that.. He got FLATTENED by 3rd rate Barkley.. Three questions: Did Hearns get hit right on the chin??? ... Did Hearns get upset and knocked out??? ... Was Floyd a cracking puncher with his right hand???

You don't need to knock everyone out to win... Iran Barkley was a terrible boxer -- but he beat Tommy Hearns by knockout AND on points. Imagine that.

[Ambling Alp II]

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

Nonsense. He beat them all.

Yes he beat them all. No kidding. None were were in there prime. That is the point.

[Kalan]

Didn't Mosley come off his best win against Margarito prior to the Mayweather fight??? ... You get a big Floyd Fight when you earn it..

And you're a liar Alp... Mosley wasn't 39... You keep fudging facts and you've got nothing... Oscar flattened Mayorga in his previous fight to Floyd. He was 34.

[Ambling Alp II]

I just looked up Mosley's birthday on boxrec like you did. He had not reached his 39th birthday. He was 38. Way, way past his best. There is no reason to lie about something like that.

[montrealsuper]

Floyd wouldn't even go near Margarito or Paul Williams. Only a dunce would think Floyd would sign a contract to fight Thomas Hearns. Only a hopeless dunce.

[montrealsuper]

Didn't Mosley come off his best win against Margarito prior to the Mayweather fight??? ... You get a big Floyd Fight when you earn it..

And you're a liar Alp... Mosley wasn't 39... You keep fudging facts and you've got nothing... Oscar flattened Mayorga in his previous fight to Floyd. He was 34.

Mosley was obviously juiced to the hilt vs Margarito and obviously was unsteroided vs Floyd. Also it looked like Mosley took the bonus to play soft with Floyd so he could grab the nice payday as a patsy because he just closed on the divorce to that Korean golddigger.

[IKSRTFO]

Didn't Mosley come off his best win against Margarito prior to the Mayweather fight??? ... You get a big Floyd Fight when you earn it..

And you're a liar Alp... Mosley wasn't 39... You keep fudging facts and you've got nothing... Oscar flattened Mayorga in his previous fight to Floyd. He was 34.

His best win was prime DLH, which coming off a loss is stil better than Margarito. And Shame Mosley was born in 1971 which would make him 38 or 39 in 2010 when they fought.

[elmersalsa]

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

Nonsense. He beat them all.

Yes he beat them all. No kidding. None were were in there prime. That is the point.

THE MAJORITY of the best boxers were in their primes when he beat them. End of story.

[Ambling Alp II]

None of those four. They were the only great fighters Mayweather beat. None were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

DLH, Marquez, Mosley, and Pac were not in their primes when Mayweather fought them.

Do you really not understand this? It's not exactly rocket science.

[elmersalsa]

None of those four. They were the only great fighters Mayweather beat. None were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

DLH, Marquez, Mosley, and Pac were not in their primes when Mayweather fought them.

Do you really not understand this? It's not exactly rocket science.

Diego Corrales was in his prime.
Zab Judah was in his prime.
Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime when Floyd beat him. He was just too big for him.
Ricky Hatton was in his prime.
Jose Luis Castillo was in his prime.
Genaro Hernandez was in his prime still.

Oscar was the bigger opponent. PBF went up in weight and schooled him.

Sugar Shane was coming from the Margarito loss. PBF beat him outright.

Pac was not in his prime, neither was PBF.

The guy PBF was extraordinary and exceptional, love him or hate him.

Marcos Maidana was in his prime. PBF beat him.

With the exception of Manny and Marquez, none of them are in the top 100 ATG pound per pound in my view. Mayweather beat them all. End of story.

[Ossyrules]

I believe otherwise. He beat every significant fighter of his era.

He has zero wins against greater fighters when they were in their prime.

Pac was way past it. Several years earlier and it would have meant something. He had not stopped anyone in more than 5 years when he fought Mayweather.
De La hoya was clearly past it. You constantly say he was not that good anyway.
Marquez was 36 and shopworn with several tough fights.
Mosley was way, way, past his best. He was 39 and had not looked great in a very long time. Mayweather fought him 6 years after Winky Wright beat him.

That's it. No wins over great fighters in their prime. Could have but waited until they were past it. Didn't have the guts. No reason at all to believe he would have had the guts to take on Hearns in his prime.

Leonard took on prime Welterweight Hearns -- then beat Tommy up and knocked him out... Leonard admitted Floyd would be tougher "Maybe my toughest fight and most people would say he would beat me." ... Also Corrales was prime... and Floyd was a lot older than Pacquiao, but beat him. So really you don't know what your talking about when you say Floyd didn't meet great fighters..

Was Oscar De La Hoya a World Champion at 154 when Floyd beat him??? Was MIguel Cotto a prime 31 who was yet to win more World Titles??? Hearns never beat anyone like that.. He got FLATTENED by 3rd rate Barkley.. Three questions: Did Hearns get hit right on the chin??? ... Did Hearns get upset and knocked out??? ... Was Floyd a cracking puncher with his right hand???

You don't need to knock everyone out to win... Iran Barkley was a terrible boxer -- but he beat Tommy Hearns by knockout AND on points. Imagine that.

This is just a comedy post

[Ossyrules]

None of those four. They were the only great fighters Mayweather beat. None were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

DLH, Marquez, Mosley, and Pac were not in their primes when Mayweather fought them.

Do you really not understand this? It's not exactly rocket science.

Diego Corrales was in his prime.
Zab Judah was in his prime.
Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime when Floyd beat him. He was just too big for him.
Ricky Hatton was in his prime.
Jose Luis Castillo was in his prime.
Genaro Hernandez was in his prime still.

Oscar was the bigger opponent. PBF went up in weight and schooled him.

Sugar Shane was coming from the Margarito loss. PBF beat him outright.

Pac was not in his prime, neither was PBF.

The guy PBF was extraordinary and exceptional, love him or hate him.

Marcos Maidana was in his prime. PBF beat him.

With the exception of Manny and Marquez, none of them are in the top 100 ATG pound per pound in my view. Mayweather beat them all. End of story.

Coralles - good win
Judah - gatekeeper
Marquez - not in his prime
Hatton - prime
Castillo - prime
Madiana - prime

You've then basically admitted the others guys weren't in there prime vs Floyd by saying "he's just beat marg" or "Floyd come up in weight" etc. Fact is the rest of them guys weren't in there prime

So to answer ambling alps question, Castillo, Hatton, corrales, Madiana are the guys Mayweather beat who were in there prime.

[Ambling Alp II]

You seem to get it. Of course, you are willing to think.

He beat some guys in their prime. None of them were great.
He didn't beat any great fighters who were in their prime when he fought them.

[elmersalsa]

You seem to get it. Of course, you are willing to think.

He beat some guys in their prime. None of them were great.
He didn't beat any great fighters who were in their prime when he fought them.

Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime. He is a top 100 ATG pound per pound great in my book.

You can only fight what is in front of you and only on your era. You're rated by your performance against the opposition depending of the circumstances and what was at stake. The great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is an all time top 10 pound per pound great fighter. He beat EVERY SIGNIFICANT BOXER OF HIS TIME. Most of them were in their primes, the MAJORITY of them were.

He retired undefeated, nobody beat him, he beat THE VERY BEST of his era and that's all to it. If those fighters didn't make the top 100, it ain't his problem, but theirs.

[elmersalsa]

None of those four. They were the only great fighters Mayweather beat. None were in their prime when Mayweather fought them.

DLH, Marquez, Mosley, and Pac were not in their primes when Mayweather fought them.
II
Do you really not understand this? It's not exactly rocket science.

Diego Corrales was in his prime.
Zab Judah was in his prime.
Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime when Floyd beat him. He was just too big for him.
Ricky Hatton was in his prime.
Jose Luis Castillo was in his prime.
Genaro Hernandez was in his prime still.

Oscar was the bigger opponent. PBF went up in weight and schooled him.

Sugar Shane was coming from the Margarito loss. PBF beat him outright.

Pac was not in his prime, neither was PBF.

The guy PBF was extraordinary and exceptional, love him or hate him.

Marcos Maidana was in his prime. PBF beat him.

With the exception of Manny and Marquez, none of them are in the top 100 ATG pound per pound in my view. Mayweather beat them all. End of story.

Coralles - good win
Judah - gatekeeper
Marquez - not in his prime
Hatton - prime
Castillo - prime
Madiana - prime

You've then basically admitted the others guys weren't in there prime vs Floyd by saying "he's just beat marg" or "Floyd come up in weight" etc. Fact is the rest of them guys weren't in there prime

So to answer ambling alps question, Castillo, Hatton, corrales, Madiana are the guys Mayweather beat who were in there prime.

Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime.
Oscar DeLaHoya was the bigger guy. Mayweather whupped him.
Shane Mosley would have lost to Floyd at anytime in his career.
Zab Judah was in his prime. Mayweather beat him.

What else he gotta do? Fight King Kong? SMH!