Now Floyd sounds like he knows he's going to lose

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He doesn't really need to care. He is what he is. One thing I will say is that history favours warriors, attacking fighters, risk takers. Floyd could have been remembered greater than what he will.

His legacy will grow in stature with time. The hate he built his fortune with will subside and people will just be looking at his record.

I think intome he'll be appreciated more, but I think his record will forever have questions due to the way he's matched himself, certainly from 140 up

Don't agree with that.

[tiny_acres]

His legacy will grow in stature with time. The hate he built his fortune with will subside and people will just be looking at his record.

I think intome he'll be appreciated more, but I think his record will forever have questions due to the way he's matched himself, certainly from 140 up

Don't agree with that.

I don't agree either. In 10 years time we will be hear his name with the all time greats.
His 140 and up resume is just as impressive as his lighter weight wins.

[gilgamesh]

I think intome he'll be appreciated more, but I think his record will forever have questions due to the way he's matched himself, certainly from 140 up

Don't agree with that.

I don't agree either. In 10 years time we will be hear his name with the all time greats.
His 140 and up resume is just as impressive as his lighter weight wins.

He didn't have a particularly impressive run at 135 or 140 I don't think, the biggest wins as far as names at those weights are Castillo and Gatti. He looked sensational against Gatti, but not so hot against JLC.

He did look quite spectacular against lesser guys though like Phillip Ndou and Henry Bruseles at that weight.

His fight with Demarcus Corley was memorable. At least in the early going.

His win over Victoriano Sosa doesn't really stand out as anything particularly impressive.


Floyd's best work in his career definitely came at 130 and 147 pounds. I'd say the few wins he has at 154 are bigger than his combined run through 135 and 140. At least in terms of the significance of the wins he got.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think intome he'll be appreciated more, but I think his record will forever have questions due to the way he's matched himself, certainly from 140 up

Don't agree with that.

I don't agree either. In 10 years time we will be hear his name with the all time greats.
His 140 and up resume is just as impressive as his lighter weight wins.

I don't know how anyone can question the fights he chose at 154.

[Ossyrules]

Don't agree with that.

I don't agree either. In 10 years time we will be hear his name with the all time greats.
His 140 and up resume is just as impressive as his lighter weight wins.

I don't know how anyone can question the fights he chose at 154.

It's not so much the opponent, it's the circumstances

Oscar - past it near the end. Not Floyds fault but that's the fact

Canelo - made to cut extra weight

Then a whole host of his other opponents have that question. For me anyway

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't agree either. In 10 years time we will be hear his name with the all time greats.
His 140 and up resume is just as impressive as his lighter weight wins.

I don't know how anyone can question the fights he chose at 154.

It's not so much the opponent, it's the circumstances

Oscar - past it near the end. Not Floyds fault but that's the fact

Canelo - made to cut extra weight

Then a whole host of his other opponents have that question. For me anyway

Yeah, I don't pose the same questions. I also would include Canelo. Oscar wasn't prime, he wasn't shot either. Your take is the kind that will dwindle with time. In twenty years someone will see that Mosley was the champion of the world and consensus top 5 p4p, not that he was shot. I'd say he'll be in more top 10's than not.

Edit: I may be going blind. LOL, thought you had Cotto listed. Anyway, he should be.

[Ossyrules]

I don't know how anyone can question the fights he chose at 154.

It's not so much the opponent, it's the circumstances

Oscar - past it near the end. Not Floyds fault but that's the fact

Canelo - made to cut extra weight

Then a whole host of his other opponents have that question. For me anyway

Yeah, I don't pose the same questions. I also would include Canelo. Oscar wasn't prime, he wasn't shot either. Your take is the kind that will dwindle with time. In twenty years someone will see that Mosley was the champion of the world and consensus top 5 p4p, not that he was shot. I'd say he'll be in more top 10's than not.

Edit: I may be going blind. LOL, thought you had Cotto listed. Anyway, he should be.

I had it in my head cotto was at 147. The question with cotto is, why didn't they fight earlier when cotto was a star at 147. Before he got cheated by Margarito. I always think that fight took some out of cotto.

The question about mosely would be that he too was far past his prime.

Agree oscar wasn't shot as per he was vs Pacquaio, but he's some short of what he was imo

I may be being harsh on Mayweather. I used to be a fan but slowly turned off on the guy.

If people agree with these points hopefully they don't forget, as this is the reality for me

[SenorPipino]

Mayweather will eventually go down in any non-biased assessment as a top #10 ATG.

You can nit-pick, cherry-pick about his opponents and where they were in their careers at the time Floyd fought them.

But he beat them all, did it convincingly.

There's not a fighter in history who you can't tear apart and question his true quality if your so inclined.

Nobody has ever fought one prime ATG after another. Look hard enough and everyone's opposition becomes suspect.

Mayweather beat a slew of elite fighters, regardless where they were in their careers.

His one-sided destruction of tall, murderous punching Corrales was one of the great demonstrations of skill and ring generalship you'll ever see in a boxing ring.

Hate Mayweather all you want. His personality is irrelevant.

But his unnatural talent should never be questioned.

[Ossyrules]

Mayweather will eventually go down in any non-biased assessment as a top #10 ATG.

You can nit-pick, cherry-pick about his opponents and where they were in their careers at the time Floyd fought them.

But he beat them all, did it convincingly.

There's not a fighter in history who you can't tear apart and question his true quality if your so inclined.

Nobody has ever fought one prime ATG after another. Look hard enough and everyone's opposition becomes suspect.

Mayweather beat a slew of elite fighters, regardless where they were in their careers.

His one-sided destruction of tall, murderous punching Corrales was one of the great demonstrations of skill and ring generalship you'll ever see in a boxing ring.

Hate Mayweather all you want. His personality is irrelevant.

But his unnatural talent should never be questioned.

I actually don't hate Mayweather, and while I find his personality got more grating (used to like him), that's not how I assess his standing.

There's absolutely no way he makes my top 10. Possibly 20, but his record is too thin when analysed to be in with the top 10 guys. There's too many with much more than Mayweather imo.

You don't have to nit pick with his record either, it's pretty much every opponent toward the end has some slant on it. You don't need to dig.

The arguement "he beat them all" etc really is a basic one for me, that doesn't really look at the details.

The corrales performance was tremendous boxing though. Mayweather at his best when I was a fan

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not so much the opponent, it's the circumstances

Oscar - past it near the end. Not Floyds fault but that's the fact

Canelo - made to cut extra weight

Then a whole host of his other opponents have that question. For me anyway

Yeah, I don't pose the same questions. I also would include Canelo. Oscar wasn't prime, he wasn't shot either. Your take is the kind that will dwindle with time. In twenty years someone will see that Mosley was the champion of the world and consensus top 5 p4p, not that he was shot. I'd say he'll be in more top 10's than not.

Edit: I may be going blind. LOL, thought you had Cotto listed. Anyway, he should be.

I had it in my head cotto was at 147. The question with cotto is, why didn't they fight earlier when cotto was a star at 147. Before he got cheated by Margarito. I always think that fight took some out of cotto.

The question about mosely would be that he too was far past his prime.

Agree oscar wasn't shot as per he was vs Pacquaio, but he's some short of what he was imo

I may be being harsh on Mayweather. I used to be a fan but slowly turned off on the guy.

If people agree with these points hopefully they don't forget, as this is the reality for me

Cotto has gone on to prove he had plenty left. I believe Floyd was retired when he was 'the man' at 47. I know Floyd wanted to fight him at 40 but Arum wouldn't have it. Mosley was a very desired fight for Floyd, if he would have fought someone else that would have been considered a huge duck.

I'm not a fan, I don't think you're being overly harsh, I just disagree with you. if I could wager on it, I would. History will be far kinder to Floyd than the current day.

Edit: Questioning the way he matched himself with Mosley is too harsh though. World Champion, top 5 p4p for everyone. Yeah

[Ossyrules]

Yeah, I don't pose the same questions. I also would include Canelo. Oscar wasn't prime, he wasn't shot either. Your take is the kind that will dwindle with time. In twenty years someone will see that Mosley was the champion of the world and consensus top 5 p4p, not that he was shot. I'd say he'll be in more top 10's than not.

Edit: I may be going blind. LOL, thought you had Cotto listed. Anyway, he should be.

I had it in my head cotto was at 147. The question with cotto is, why didn't they fight earlier when cotto was a star at 147. Before he got cheated by Margarito. I always think that fight took some out of cotto.

The question about mosely would be that he too was far past his prime.

Agree oscar wasn't shot as per he was vs Pacquaio, but he's some short of what he was imo

I may be being harsh on Mayweather. I used to be a fan but slowly turned off on the guy.

If people agree with these points hopefully they don't forget, as this is the reality for me

Cotto has gone on to prove he had plenty left. I believe Floyd was retired when he was 'the man' at 47. I know Floyd wanted to fight him at 40 but Arum wouldn't have it. Mosley was a very desired fight for Floyd, if he would have fought someone else that would have been considered a huge duck.

I'm not a fan, I don't think you're being overly harsh, I just disagree with you. if I could wager on it, I would. History will be far kinder to Floyd than the current day.

The mosely fight, like oscar, I can't really hold against him as the fight wasn't on when mosely was at his best, so it's just boxing timing, and he wasn't finished, but definitely not his best.

We will see how history rates him in time, you are probably right

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I had it in my head cotto was at 147. The question with cotto is, why didn't they fight earlier when cotto was a star at 147. Before he got cheated by Margarito. I always think that fight took some out of cotto.

The question about mosely would be that he too was far past his prime.

Agree oscar wasn't shot as per he was vs Pacquaio, but he's some short of what he was imo

I may be being harsh on Mayweather. I used to be a fan but slowly turned off on the guy.

If people agree with these points hopefully they don't forget, as this is the reality for me

Cotto has gone on to prove he had plenty left. I believe Floyd was retired when he was 'the man' at 47. I know Floyd wanted to fight him at 40 but Arum wouldn't have it. Mosley was a very desired fight for Floyd, if he would have fought someone else that would have been considered a huge duck.

I'm not a fan, I don't think you're being overly harsh, I just disagree with you. if I could wager on it, I would. History will be far kinder to Floyd than the current day.

The mosely fight, like oscar, I can't really hold against him as the fight wasn't on when mosely was at his best, so it's just boxing timing, and he wasn't finished, but definitely not his best.

We will see how history rates him in time, you are probably right

Shane could have had it sooner, but he had a tooth ache. Remember that?

[KiwiRider]

Making comparisons to Sugar Shane is fine.
But let's just remember Shane came back after the most destructive lifestyle imaginable and fought the top guy, first fight back. A guy who could hydrate to almost Cruiser and was way taller and very physically imposing.
Roid, on the other hand has come back to fight an 0-0.
No comparison.
And if you want to know why Shane kept on going after he was shot, read his bio, it explains why.
My ATG will always have Mosley above Mayweather.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Well, that's a difficult list to respect for any sort of accuracy. As I'm a Shane fan, good for you.

[KiwiRider]

Well, that's a difficult list to respect for any sort of accuracy. As I'm a Shane fan, good for you.

Are you referring to my post?

The only statistic I listed was 0-0

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Well, that's a difficult list to respect for any sort of accuracy. As I'm a Shane fan, good for you.

Are you referring to my post?

The only statistic I listed was 0-0

You said Mosley rates over Floyd. Shouldn't have been that hard to figure out.

[KiwiRider]

Well, that's a difficult list to respect for any sort of accuracy. As I'm a Shane fan, good for you.

Are you referring to my post?

The only statistic I listed was 0-0

You said Mosley rates over Floyd. Shouldn't have been that hard to figure out.

Ha haha, sweet. No question in my mind but not the same for others.
Have you read his bio?
I finished it a couple of months back, wish I had read it sooner because it changed my thinking about why he hung in so long. I also listened to an audio CD of interviews after the book which was interesting as well.
I can't imagine what $250,000 US of coke looks like at 1980's prices, but in two years, I'm surprised he even has a nose

[montrealsuper]

Why should he care at this point?
He's retired and is making a record payday. He can laugh all the way to the bank

He doesn't really need to care. He is what he is. One thing I will say is that history favours warriors, attacking fighters, risk takers. Floyd could have been remembered greater than what he will.

His legacy will grow in stature with time. The hate he built his fortune with will subside and people will just be looking at his record.

People wont' forget all the ducks, all the excuses, all the lies, the smear campaigns like Pacquiao uses PEDs, etc, the racist rants, the lack of class, all the hypocrisy about level playing fields. Floyd was a good fighter who had the political protection and corruption of Al Haymon which without, he would have been long long gone. Good fighter known for his deceptions, corruption, fraud, excessive ducking, boring performances which looked like rigged sparring sessions so Haymon could keep his long term network contract valid. Everyone should have awakened to the fraud of the six fight $150 m contract guaranteed. The motive was there for Haymon to rig each of those six fights to fulfill the contract - and of course try to get the next one. But Showtime didn't want it and so now we have what we have coming on Aug 26.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Check this out... http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12 ... e-on-paper

Are you fooking all there mate the frauds trying to sell this joke of a fight

[bbjc]

Mayweathers just needing to get out the sport. Great fighter no arguments. But he,ll never be one of the greats. Every single great people talk about done something great weather it was ali against frazier/liston/foreman. Tyson ripping the heavyweight title off berbick and pretty much cleaning out the division one by one at 20 years old. Leonard beating duran/hagler/hearns all of them we,re greats.. Roy jones/holyfield going to heavyweight. Lewis taking on all comers. Barrera/morales fighting each other 3 times.

Pretty much all they guys we,ve criticised. But not one of them showed the cowardice of mayweather throughout his career. Sorry not a great for me. Never will be. Even the skill level people go on about...hes a highly skilled fighter...but younger guys would have beaten him the last 5 years. Just keeps picking on old guys that can only fight at a pace for so long. Fair enough hes old himself but dont trot out the the best ever line then.

The only young guy he took on was canelo...a guy that has known stamina problems. Maidana was as crude as they come. And caused mayweather problems most of the fight with his high activity. I actually think a guy like porter would have gave him problems. The young guys with the high input. Castillo showed you how to beat him. Overwhelm him with offence. Thats why he mostly stayed away from these types of fighters for years. I think a younger mosley/dela hoya would have beat him also. Even a younger pacman. There was a reason he stayed away from that style till pacman couldnt keep up the activity anymore. Great fighter...but picked fights that allowed his style to shine.

[Roars Like Me]

Apologies in advance if this has been posted already. It seem this teacher thinks Floyd will also lose too.
Great song

http://www.the42.ie/conor-mcgregor-song ... 5-Aug2017/

[montrealsuper]

I don't know how anyone can question the fights he chose at 154.

It's not so much the opponent, it's the circumstances

Oscar - past it near the end. Not Floyds fault but that's the fact

Canelo - made to cut extra weight

Then a whole host of his other opponents have that question. For me anyway

I agree but Floyd should also be given credit for fighting till he was 38 (excluded CM) and still winning comfortably in most cases while starting to come down the wrong side of the hill. He was still excellent up to that age but off-peak in terms of punch output and speed.

He fought bc the $ was there. True greats dont talk about self preservation to duck. True greats dont want or need protection. True greats don't call themselves a "rich coward." Only a fraud great does these things. Floyd had a great career choreographed and protected by Al Haymon's corruption and manipulating. Without Haymon's corruption and protection Floyd Jr would have had Floyd Srs career.

[BitPlayer]

Without Haymon's corruption and protection Floyd Jr would have had Floyd Srs career.

K brah.

[Counter-puncher]

Without Haymon's corruption and protection Floyd Jr would have had Floyd Srs career.

K brah.

[cletomex]

How bad is the Nevada Athletic Commission going to look if McGregor gets seriously hurt. Approving a 0-0 guy against FMJ.......and if they also approve the 8 oz glove request.....