Horse's British & Irish Top 30 P4P August 2017

[crusader]

I don't recall the title being changed before, hence my thought that it was the new Brit mod. I'm not sure that Anton has really followed the whole Irish, not Irish issue.

[Mimmy]

I don't recall the title being changed before, hence my thought that it was the new Brit mod. I'm not sure that Anton has really followed the whole Irish, not Irish issue.

Low opinion of me? For the record I believe in freedom of speech. Even if I did see the 'original' post It wouldnt have pricked up my ears. Has anyone other than Horse seen the original post and can say its been changed?

[crusader]

Id be very surprised if there was a person on here who could come up with a top 30 that wouldnt get criticism.

If you put it out there then you are opening up the flood gates so fair play

Yes, rankings this many fighters is going to lead to disagreement. It's almost impossible to have a top 30 where everyone thinks every placement is right, and some people really get too worked up at Horse.

[crusader]

I don't recall the title being changed before, hence my thought that it was the new Brit mod. I'm not sure that Anton has really followed the whole Irish, not Irish issue.

Low opinion of me? For the record I believe in freedom of speech. Even if I did see the 'original' post It wouldnt have pricked up my ears. Has anyone other than Horse seen the original post and can say its been changed?

Not a low opinion, just recognizing the timeline (new mods --> very shortly after the title changed for the first time that I recall) and the fact that you're probably the most actively posting mod in the Brit section.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't recall the title being changed before, hence my thought that it was the new Brit mod. I'm not sure that Anton has really followed the whole Irish, not Irish issue.

He may just be following Horse for questioning his authority. Anton has some major issues. Then again, Horse could just be fornicating with everyone.

[Mimmy]

I don't recall the title being changed before, hence my thought that it was the new Brit mod. I'm not sure that Anton has really followed the whole Irish, not Irish issue.

Low opinion of me? For the record I believe in freedom of speech. Even if I did see the 'original' post It wouldnt have pricked up my ears. Has anyone other than Horse seen the original post and can say its been changed?

Not a low opinion, just recognizing the timeline (new mods --> very shortly after the title changed for the first time that I recall) and the fact that you're probably the most actively posting mod in the Brit section.

It seems only Horse is saying the post was changed. I have been out all day from around 10am UK time until this afternoon when we came home at around 3pm UK time.

[crusader]

Fair enough, and I never said it was you. I'd guess that it has something to do with what's gone on lately...

[Mimmy]

Fair enough, and I never said it was you. I'd guess that it has something to do with what's gone on lately...

I agree i am on my pc a lot during my days off work. I have my grandson here and all he watches is Cartoonito, Tom and bloody Jerry. So ive got time on my hands, if he aint watching Tom and Jerry hes on the Hornby. So i just sit and supervise while on my pc, doing other stuff as well.

If I ever change anything on here I will inform the poster of such.

Is this a conspiracy or HorseGate?

[davie]

Personally I think messing with Horses title is petty and juvenile

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Personally I think messing with Horses title is petty and juvenile

See? It screams Anton!

[KiwiRider]

Warrington and Campbell are too high imo
Horse may be eccentric but adds value to the forum

And he has the guts to post his top 30 knowing some people will razz him NO matter how the list is assembled, without showing any respect to the effort of doing it.
I like most of it. Obviously T Fury is debatable, I think he needs a fight by now to be included as does Khan.
I'm happy with Luke Campbell, he will deserve that place after he despatches Linares and horse didn't want to have to go back and move him up

[cuban glass]

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Carl Frampton
3 Jamie Mcdonnell
4 Tony Bellew
5 George Groves
6 James Degale
7 Billy Joe Saunders
8 Terry Flanagan
9 Lee Selby
10 Kell Brook
11 Ryan Burnett
12 Scott Quigg
13 Kal Yafai
14 Nathan Cleverly
15 Callum Smith
16 Anthony Crolla
17 Luke Campbell
18 Chris Eubank Jr
19 Josh Warrington
20 Liam Smith
21 Liam Williams
22 Sam Eggington
23 Josh Taylor
24 Andy Lee
25 David Haye
26 Andrew Selby
27 Bradley Skeete
28 Ricky Burns
29 Lee Haskins
30 Dillian Whyte

[gilgamesh]

I don't know who changed the thread title, but it seems silly to do things like that just to get under somebody's skin. I would hope whoever did it would be bigger than that in the future.

[TheGman]

1. (1.) James DeGale
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) Anthony Joshua
4. (4.) George Groves
5. (9.) Lee Selby
6. (5.) Tyson Fury
7. (6.) Tony Bellew
8. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
9. (8.) Kell Brook
10. (10.) Terry Flanagan

11. (11.) Scott Quigg
12. (12.) Amir Khan
13. (13.) Billy Joe Saunders
14. (14.) Khalid Yafai
15. (23.) Chris Eubank Jr.
16. (15.) Anthony Crolla
17. (16.) Sam Eggington
18. (17.) Luke Campbell
19. (18.) Martin Murray
20. (19.) Ryan Burnett

21. (20.) Callum Smith
22. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
23. (22.) Josh Warrington
24. (24.) Ricky Burns
25. (26.) Bradley Skeete
26. (NE.) Josh Taylor
27. (25.) Andrew Selby
28. (27.) Lee Haskins
29. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (29.) Dillian Whyte

Out - (30.) Dereck Chisora

Degale wouldnt be no.1 coming off a draw were he struggled,fury wouldnt be in the top 30 as he hasnt fought and we dont know if he will fight. Tony bellew wouldnt even be in my top 10,amir khan wouldnt be in there either unless were going off fights that boxer talk about rather than actually fighting. Id have callum smith and nathan cleverly above martin murray and luke Campbell,cleverley is a world champ fgs and won it in germany that counts for double points in my eyes. Id av kal yafai in the top 10.
1)anthony joshua
2)carl frampton
3)james degale
3)george groves
4)kal yafai
5)lee selby
6)jamie mcdonnell
7)scott quigg
8)nathan cleverley
9)terry flannaghan
10)chris eubank

This is my top ten,eubank is above billy joe because billy joe is too inactive for me to be considered for top ten,nathan cleverley is in my top ten because he has come off some good performances and like i said earlier he came away from germany beating a guy that many thought would box cleverleys head off.
Joshua is my number one because my pound for pound list is exactly what it says on the tin,joshua would beat any top 10 british fighter if they were the same weight,many might not agree but hey ho its opinion based

[samwbr]

Kell Brook has been badly beaten twice in a row, he should be lower.

[davie]

Kell Brook has been badly beaten twice in a row, he should be lower.

Do we not take into account the level of opposition he was in with and the nature of the performance prior to the injury?
And the fact he was stopped on a bad injury both times?

I noticed thechump had him out of the top 10.
I can't agree with that, Brook is a very good boxer and there are certainly not 10 fighters in the country better than Kell Brook, there aren't 5 in my opinion.

If they weighed the same, Brook would stand Bellew on his head, they are not even close in terms of ability.

[Coco]

Brook won't be the same again

[Ossyrules]

What's the criteria for the rankings horse?

If it's sensitive to form and win or loss results, then Frampton, degale, Brook etc take a hit

If it's more toward simply who is the best, as the last couple posters says, Kell Brook is a cert for top 5, probably top 3.

I suspect it's maybe a combo of both these things, but without knowing the reasoning it's hard to give feedback.

Side note it appears fury is retired now so can be removed

[Ossyrules]

And amending thread titles that aren't abusive or offending etc isn't on imo mods

I have no reason to support horse, he's given me short rude responses in the past

[Deserter]

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Carl Frampton
3 Jamie Mcdonnell
4 Tony Bellew
5 George Groves
6 James Degale
7 Billy Joe Saunders
8 Terry Flanagan
9 Lee Selby
10 Kell Brook
11 Ryan Burnett
12 Scott Quigg
13 Kal Yafai
14 Nathan Cleverly
15 Callum Smith
16 Anthony Crolla
17 Luke Campbell
18 Chris Eubank Jr
19 Josh Warrington
20 Liam Smith
21 Liam Williams
22 Sam Eggington
23 Josh Taylor
24 Andy Lee
25 David Haye
26 Andrew Selby
27 Bradley Skeete
28 Ricky Burns
29 Lee Haskins
30 Dillian Whyte

Rather than wanting to dispute individual places, the one thing that struck me is the sheer strength in depth of the British scene at the moment. When the likes of Eggington and Taylor are struggling to crack the top 20 it really is a very encouraging sign.

[Nightmare Roy]

1. (1.) James DeGale
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) Anthony Joshua
4. (4.) George Groves
5. (9.) Lee Selby
6. (5.) Tyson Fury
7. (6.) Tony Bellew
8. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
9. (8.) Kell Brook
10. (10.) Terry Flanagan

11. (11.) Scott Quigg
12. (12.) Amir Khan
13. (13.) Billy Joe Saunders
14. (14.) Khalid Yafai
15. (23.) Chris Eubank Jr.
16. (15.) Anthony Crolla
17. (16.) Sam Eggington
18. (17.) Luke Campbell
19. (18.) Martin Murray
20. (19.) Ryan Burnett

21. (20.) Callum Smith
22. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
23. (22.) Josh Warrington
24. (24.) Ricky Burns
25. (26.) Bradley Skeete
26. (NE.) Josh Taylor
27. (25.) Andrew Selby
28. (27.) Lee Haskins
29. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (29.) Dillian Whyte

Out - (30.) Dereck Chisora

Degale wouldnt be no.1 coming off a draw were he struggled,fury wouldnt be in the top 30 as he hasnt fought and we dont know if he will fight. Tony bellew wouldnt even be in my top 10,amir khan wouldnt be in there either unless were going off fights that boxer talk about rather than actually fighting. Id have callum smith and nathan cleverly above martin murray and luke Campbell,cleverley is a world champ fgs and won it in germany that counts for double points in my eyes. Id av kal yafai in the top 10.
1)anthony joshua
2)carl frampton
3)james degale
3)george groves
4)kal yafai
5)lee selby
6)jamie mcdonnell
7)scott quigg
8)nathan cleverley
9)terry flannaghan
10)chris eubank

This is my top ten,eubank is above billy joe because billy joe is too inactive for me to be considered for top ten,nathan cleverley is in my top ten because he has come off some good performances and like i said earlier he came away from germany beating a guy that many thought would box cleverleys head off.
Joshua is my number one because my pound for pound list is exactly what it says on the tin,joshua would beat any top 10 british fighter if they were the same weight,many might not agree but hey ho its opinion based

This is the correct top 3 Horse, be a man and get it changed.

[samwbr]

Brook won't be the same again

I agree.

[rd350lc]

Brook won't be the same again

Will probably have to fly with British airways in future .

[danconnollyeire]

1. (1.) James DeGale
2. (2.) Carl Frampton
3. (3.) Anthony Joshua
4. (4.) George Groves
5. (9.) Lee Selby
6. (5.) Tyson Fury
7. (6.) Tony Bellew
8. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
9. (8.) Kell Brook
10. (10.) Terry Flanagan

11. (11.) Scott Quigg
12. (12.) Amir Khan
13. (13.) Billy Joe Saunders
14. (14.) Khalid Yafai
15. (23.) Chris Eubank Jr.
16. (15.) Anthony Crolla
17. (16.) Sam Eggington
18. (17.) Luke Campbell
19. (18.) Martin Murray
20. (19.) Ryan Burnett

21. (20.) Callum Smith
22. (21.) Nathan Cleverly
23. (22.) Josh Warrington
24. (24.) Ricky Burns
25. (26.) Bradley Skeete
26. (NE.) Josh Taylor
27. (25.) Andrew Selby
28. (27.) Lee Haskins
29. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (29.) Dillian Whyte

Out - (30.) Dereck Chisora

Tyson Fury your bf?

[dirk2686]

Since Fury last fought Bellew has won European cruiser, WBC cruiser, defended the latter and beaten Haye at heavy. None of that trumps a win over Wlad but the fight was nearly two years ago, Fury doesn't have a licence and, believe him or not, has announced his retirement.

Keeping him on the list just makes the list look like a joke.