The GOATs of Boxing by State, Region, Country

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Maryland is ray Leonard or Joe Gans.
New York: Benny Leonard

[Ossyrules]

Someone also mentioned Joe Calzaghe for Wales, which you would kind of agree with - and I hate to be picky, but he was actually born in Hammersmith in London

Ahh well said, I did know this fact from reading his autobiography but had forgotten!

[Kilsby]

Someone also mentioned Joe Calzaghe for Wales, which you would kind of agree with - and I hate to be picky, but he was actually born in Hammersmith in London

Ahh well said, I did know this fact from reading his autobiography but had forgotten!

To be fair, that's the same place I got it from

Always remembered it since then, as it caught me by surprise - the whole 'pride of Wales' thing, and obviously with the name we all know about his Italian heritage but this one seems to get swept under the rug.

Or at least not reported on...

[USMCer]

Who are the Greatest of All-Time Boxers by place of birth?

It would be far quicker for you to ask someone employed by BoxRec to write an SQL query on their fight list database, where they could stipulate filters that take into account things like number of world title fights, longevity of title reign, amount of four/five star bouts, win/loss record and also the highest rated points for world title bouts.

From the resulting list of fighters (grouped per locale), the forum should then be in a position to very easily determine/vote the “GOAT’s by state, region, country.”

Otherwise, the info. being requested in this thread is far too taxing and time-consuming to acquire.

If I'm not mistaken, BoxRec is making upgrades to the site. It'd be great if they added a feature that allowed you to query things like this; Boxers by Place of Birth.

But f*ck it. I'm not waiting around.
Make it a little project here on the BoxRec Forum among all the posters.

Contribute your thoughts, your picks, your research.
Revisit the thread with updates.

[USMCer]

Kazakhstan GGG
armenia Abraham
USA srr or jones jr
...

Imo....

Canada: Sam Langford
Czech Republic: Lukas Konecny
Georgia: Avtandil Khurtsidze
Kazakhstan: Gennady Golovkin
...
Ukraine: Wladimir Klitschko

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

[crusader]

Oh, now I see it's merely about where they're born. In that case, I'd have Wlad #1 for Kazakhstan, though I consider him a Ukrainian boxer.

[Jip]

Kazakhstan GGG
armenia Abraham
USA srr or jones jr
...

Imo....

Canada: Sam Langford
Czech Republic: Lukas Konecny
Georgia: Avtandil Khurtsidze
Kazakhstan: Gennady Golovkin
...
Ukraine: Wladimir Klitschko

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

Wasnt it soviet union when wlad was born?

[dagilechia]

Kazakhstan GGG
armenia Abraham
USA srr or jones jr
...

Imo....

Canada: Sam Langford
Czech Republic: Lukas Konecny
Georgia: Avtandil Khurtsidze
Kazakhstan: Gennady Golovkin
...
Ukraine: Wladimir Klitschko

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

and Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, do we have count him as a Kyrgyz?

i think that place of birth is not a good factor, i dont think that Klitschko's consider themselves as Kazakh or Kyrgyz

[dagilechia]

Kazakhstan GGG
armenia Abraham
USA srr or jones jr
...

Imo....

Canada: Sam Langford
Czech Republic: Lukas Konecny
Georgia: Avtandil Khurtsidze
Kazakhstan: Gennady Golovkin
...
Ukraine: Wladimir Klitschko

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

Wasnt it soviet union when wlad was born?

it was but nowadays it's Kazahstan.

both Tszyu, Kovalev, Povetkin, Lebedev, Klitschkos, Golovkin, Arbachakov etc are born in Soviet Union - so we have to not include them in that list?

[Jip]

Kazakhstan GGG
armenia Abraham
USA srr or jones jr
...

Imo....

Canada: Sam Langford
Czech Republic: Lukas Konecny
Georgia: Avtandil Khurtsidze
Kazakhstan: Gennady Golovkin
...
Ukraine: Wladimir Klitschko

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

and Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, do we have count him as a Kyrgyz?

i think that place of birth is not a good factor, i dont think that Klitschko's consider themselves as Kazakh or Kyrgyz

Exactly. Lets say a japenese couple is on a business trip in england and the pregnant women gives birth, what is the child than, an english boy. No, he is a japanese boy who was born in england.

Klitschko are 2 man from a country that doesnt exist anymore. Since they feel like ukraines they ukraines to me.

[tiny_acres]

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

and Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, do we have count him as a Kyrgyz?

i think that place of birth is not a good factor, i dont think that Klitschko's consider themselves as Kazakh or Kyrgyz

Exactly. Lets say a japenese couple is on a business trip in england and the pregnant women gives birth, what is the child than, an english boy. No, he is a japanese boy who was born in england.

Klitschko are 2 man from a country that doesnt exist anymore. Since they feel like ukraines they ukraines to me.

Call a doctor I must be crazy. Jip made good sense and I agree with him.
The world must be coming to an end

[USMCer]

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

and Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, do we have count him as a Kyrgyz?

i think that place of birth is not a good factor, i dont think that Klitschko's consider themselves as Kazakh or Kyrgyz

Place of birth is the most "determinable," if you will. There's no guess-work, no debate (for the most part). But believe me, I'm aware that some people move and are raised elsewhere from a young age... that's why I added that note (see the OP).

Some people were born in the Ukraine and moved somewhere else... other people were born somewhere else and moved to the Ukraine. It's just a matter of happenstance.

If people want, I can add the list of Boxers who are identified more so with the place they were raised, rather than the place they were born...

Examples:
Miguel Cotto = Puerto Rico, but born in Rhode Island-U.S.
Antonio Margarito = Tijuana/Baja-Mexico, but born in California-U.S.
Vitali Klitschko = Ukraine, but born in Kyrgyzstan
Wladimir Klitschko = Ukriane, but born in Kazakhstan

[USMCer]

Wladimir Klitschko was born in Kazakhstan

Wasnt it soviet union when wlad was born?

I believe so.
Look, it can get messy, I know. So going by the present-day affiliations (so to speak) it keeps things simpler.

I actually would like to compile the "Former Soviet Union" list too, to see how that looks put all together.

[USMCer]

Exactly. Lets say a japenese couple is on a business trip in england and the pregnant women gives birth, what is the child than, an english boy. No, he is a japanese boy who was born in england.

Klitschko are 2 man from a country that doesnt exist anymore. Since they feel like ukraines they ukraines to me.

Place of birth is not debatable, it's black-n-white (for the most part). That's the reason to use that as the standard.

Born in England means born in England.
BUT it's important to note exceptions like I've listed in the OPs.

Other more complicated exceptions may include "Military brats." Boxers born on a U.S.-base in Japan, for example. It's important to note that too.

[dagilechia]

Exactly. Lets say a japenese couple is on a business trip in england and the pregnant women gives birth, what is the child than, an english boy. No, he is a japanese boy who was born in england.

Klitschko are 2 man from a country that doesnt exist anymore. Since they feel like ukraines they ukraines to me.

Place of birth is not debatable, it's black-n-white (for the most part). That's the reason to use that as the standard.

Born in England means born in England.
BUT it's important to note exceptions like I've listed in the OPs.

Other more complicated exceptions may include "Military brats." Boxers born on a U.S.-base in Japan, for example. It's important to note that too.

that is what happened to Klitschko's - they were born on a USSR military bases. btw what about the likes of Marco Huck (Muamer Hukić) - fights as a German, born in Serbia (then Yugoslavia), and he is an ethnic Bosniak?

if we put him in there as an Serbian (because he is probably the most accomplished fighter born in nowadays Serbia territority) he will be considered the best fighter of a country that he probably hates a lot, hates most than any other - because he is a Bosniak

[USMCer]

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Other more complicated exceptions may include "Military brats." Boxers born on a U.S.-base in Japan, for example. It's important to note that too.

that is what happened to Klitschko's - they were born on a USSR military bases. btw what about the likes of Marco Huck (Muamer Hukić) - fights as a German, born in Serbia (then Yugoslavia), and he is an ethnic Bosniak?

if we put him in there as an Serbian (because he is probably the most accomplished fighter born in nowadays Serbia territority) he will be considered the best fighter of a country that he probably hates a lot, hates most than any other - because he is a Bosniak

Is it? Both Klitschko's, different bases?

[dagilechia]

...
Other more complicated exceptions may include "Military brats." Boxers born on a U.S.-base in Japan, for example. It's important to note that too.

that is what happened to Klitschko's - they were born on a USSR military bases. btw what about the likes of Marco Huck (Muamer Hukić) - fights as a German, born in Serbia (then Yugoslavia), and he is an ethnic Bosniak?

if we put him in there as an Serbian (because he is probably the most accomplished fighter born in nowadays Serbia territority) he will be considered the best fighter of a country that he probably hates a lot, hates most than any other - because he is a Bosniak

Is it? Both Klitschko's, different bases?

yes - their father was a Soviet air force major general. because of their father Klitschko family also lived in Czechoslovakia for some years. btw Klitschko's have another brother - called Gennady. im not sure whether its true or not - i just once found it in Russian wikipedia i think. i know about one Gennady, born in Kazakhstan same as Wladimir, who knows

[USMCer]

Is it? Both Klitschko's, different bases?

yes - their father was a Soviet air force major general. because of their father Klitschko family also lived in Czechoslovakia for some years. btw Klitschko's have another brother - called Gennady. im not sure whether its true or not - i just once found it in Russian wikipedia i think. i know about one Gennady, born in Kazakhstan same as Wladimir, who knows

I'll edit the OP then. This is the kind of collective effort that I was hoping for.
(any source/link, BTW? I'll look for it myself too)

[dagilechia]

Is it? Both Klitschko's, different bases?

yes - their father was a Soviet air force major general. because of their father Klitschko family also lived in Czechoslovakia for some years. btw Klitschko's have another brother - called Gennady. im not sure whether its true or not - i just once found it in Russian wikipedia i think. i know about one Gennady, born in Kazakhstan same as Wladimir, who knows

I'll edit the OP then. This is the kind of collective effort that I was hoping for.
(any source/link, BTW? I'll look for it myself too)

if you meant the third brother case i can not find nothing else now - i remember back then (like 5 years ago) i found a source that was in Russian too that said that they are hidding a ''third brother'' because he is quite a shame for they family, commited something bad, but it all may be just a bullshit too and it's nice that you put Klitschko's as Ukrainians because it would be strange to put guys with an rich Ukrainian/Cossack heritage as Kazakh or Kyrgyz

[Badhusker]

my hometown area and current town are Louisville, KY and Washington DC.

Louisvile is obvious (Ali)

DC, I don't know enough of the history.....But my guess is Ray Leonard.

I assume you being a native of Louisville you have visited the Ali center? I was impressed after going through it a few years back shortly after it opened. https://www.alicenter.org/
I was less impressed by Mohammed Ali Boulevard, and had immediate requests by my passengers to get off that street! (They were from a very small town) We were driving along and a guy was obviously breaking into a parked car....he looked up but didn't stop what he was doing.

[USMCer]

Who are the Greatest of All-Time Boxers by place of birth?

It would be far quicker for you to ask someone employed by BoxRec to write an SQL query on their fight list database, where they could stipulate filters that take into account things like number of world title fights, longevity of title reign, amount of four/five star bouts, win/loss record and also the highest rated points for world title bouts.

From the resulting list of fighters (grouped per locale), the forum should then be in a position to very easily determine/vote the “GOAT’s by state, region, country.”

Otherwise, the info. being requested in this thread is far too taxing and time-consuming to acquire.

By chance, do you know anyone at BoxRec, and could they do that for us?

That'd be another cool/interesting perspective.

[Dwayne Rudenkoslav]

India - Vijender Singh! Hahaha
Hes one of the most famous people in their country of BILLIONS of people with hopelessly low standards they see him as a legend lol when most countries would see him as a bum.

[AntonioMartin]

New Mexico Johnny Tapia..or Bob Foster

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UNITED KINGDOM



England--
... East Midlands --
... East of England --
... London --
... North East --
... North West --
... South East --
... South West --
... West Midlands --
... Yorkshire & Humber --

Northern Ireland --
Scotland --
Wales --

East Midlands - Randy Turpin? Carl Froch?
East of England (East Anglia) -
London - Ted Kid Lewis? Lennox Lewis? Duke McKenzie?
North East -
North West - John Conteh? Ricky Hatton?
South East - Chris Eubank?
South West - Bob Fitzsimmons
West Midlands -
Yorkshire - Prince Naseem Hamed?

Northern Ireland - Barry McGuigan
Scotland - Ken Buchanan?
Wales - Jimmy Wilde? Joe Calzaghe?

East Anglia, West Midlands and North East I need to think

Calzaghe was born in London, even though he's as Welsh as they come.

I'd like to throw in Owen Moran for the West Midlands?

[USMCer]

USMCer, OP here. Been gone for a while.

Any new updates/revisions suggested?