Can you create a boxer?

[Kilsby]

I mean can you condition a child from birth to become a boxer?

Obviously there are some gifts that are natural, like chin and power which can't be trained.

You can learn to aid them by rolling with blows and improving your technique to improve power but the natural ability has to be there to be honed. I.e) Paulie Malignaggi had technique but never had no natural power no matter how long his trained to improve this aspect of his game.

But provided he had average power and chin could he be trained to become a champion boxer with a iron will and love for the sport if he lived the life with no distractions?

I thinking someone like Tim Bradley, Paulie himself, or even a Carl Froch?

Does will and determination beat 95% of the competition if you live the life, spend every hour practicing your craft and have determination not to be denied?

[Kilsby]

If your fighting in the trenches and don't have a quit in you due to your upbringing and environment as a child will that be enough to make the normal boxer wilt?

[KiwiRider]

I think it is possible.
Look at Eubank Jr, Charvez Jr, Layla Ali and a lot of children who follow their fathers boxing careers and have been in the gym from an early age. Some better and some worse.
Loma is probably the best example, his dad trained him from an early age and look at what he has become.
A lot of Eastern Block am fighters were trained up from an early age and expect the same from China in the coming years.

[Boxerbeetle]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

[Kilsby]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

It worked for RJJ and De La Hoya with fathers who pushed them but they also had natural athletic ability that can't be taught.

Also, the child has to share the fathers will I guess.

[Kilsby]

So with a childs love for the sport, him born with an iron will and a love of repetition and practice.

Do we agree this is likely to be enough?

Obviously all the above is a rare commodity in itself

[KiwiRider]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

Social Services are on their way .

[crusader]

I think it's a matter of getting the most out of what they were born with. All that hard work and dedication will probably make them better than they'd be without it, but that could just be winning a regional amateur tournament vs losing in the quarterfinals.

[Boxerbeetle]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

Social Services are on their way .

Fine by me, a social worker will be good practice for my son's big right hand

[KiwiRider]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

Social Services are on their way .

Fine by me, a social worker will be good practice for my son's big right hand

I'm probably not the first dad to get a blood nose from a 3 year old, but in my case it was my daughter not one of the boys

[JC]

I think it is possible.
Look at Eubank Jr, Charvez Jr, Layla Ali and a lot of children who follow their fathers boxing careers and have been in the gym from an early age. Some better and some worse.

Neither of Eubank Jr or Layla Ali's father wanted them to box. Both started in their late teens, a lot later than many people start. In both their cases I think their genes are a major factor in their success, as well as their connections obviously.

Mayweather is a better example of a guy who has been in the gym since he could walk.

[Tarkus]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

What makes you think he will be HW?

Wish you all the best with the project of course.

[Nightmare Roy]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

How tall are you and his mother, what do you weigh? You might have to settle for a lower weight division, I'd be very surprised if any one under 17 stone and 6:4 can dominate the HW's going forward.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I think BB is kidding...

[BitPlayer]

Chin and power can be trained. Not that there's no natural ability. For chin you can strengthen your neck and get better at moving with punches to lower the impact (Whyte does this a lot, which is why he is so hard to KO). Improving your fitness will also help. For power there's perfecting your punching technique, especially using your full body rather than arm punching, as well as exercises to get better at explosive movements such as throws.

[BitPlayer]

I have a 3 year old son, and it is very much my intention that he will grow up to be undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. I will train him mercilessly until he succeeds.

So I certainly hope it's possible.

It worked for RJJ and De La Hoya with fathers who pushed them but they also had natural athletic ability that can't be taught.

Also, the child has to share the fathers will I guess.

I also think some "natural athletism" actually comes from an active upbringing. I'm not denying natural ability, but an active childhood makes a big difference.

[Kilsby]

Chin and power can be trained. Not that there's no natural ability. For chin you can strengthen your neck and get better at moving with punches to lower the impact (Whyte does this a lot, which is why he is so hard to KO). Improving your fitness will also help. For power there's perfecting your punching technique, especially using your full body rather than arm punching, as well as exercises to get better at explosive movements such as throws.

I don't agree with the above. I agree technique can be improved to generate extra power for a particular person. But if you can't punch, you can't punch. Otherwise a boxer with a great workrate (Paulie Malignaggi 147lb) could do some additional power training and hit like Thomas Hearns at 147lb - its a ridiculous concept isn't it?

[Kilsby]

And Whyte was all over the place against Chisora so I wouldn't even say he had a good chin never mind an example of a great chin.

Chisora isn't even a noted puncher.

[BitPlayer]

Chin and power can be trained. Not that there's no natural ability. For chin you can strengthen your neck and get better at moving with punches to lower the impact (Whyte does this a lot, which is why he is so hard to KO). Improving your fitness will also help. For power there's perfecting your punching technique, especially using your full body rather than arm punching, as well as exercises to get better at explosive movements such as throws.

I don't agree with the above. I agree technique can be improved to generate extra power for a particular person. But if you can't punch, you can't punch. Otherwise a boxer with a great workrate (Paulie Malignaggi 147lb) could do some additional power training and hit like Thomas Hearns at 147lb - its a ridiculous concept isn't it?

People have natural ability. But it can be developed to a significant degree, even if it's hard to do. Hearns is a rather poor example, as it was with good training from Manny Steward that he developed a fearsome punch.

[BitPlayer]

And Whyte was all over the place against Chisora so I wouldn't even say he had a good chin never mind an example of a great chin.

Chisora isn't even a noted puncher.

He's all over the place to absorb the power. Chisora does have the sharpest punch, but he does often really knock opponents about too.

[Kilsby]

Chin and power can be trained. Not that there's no natural ability. For chin you can strengthen your neck and get better at moving with punches to lower the impact (Whyte does this a lot, which is why he is so hard to KO). Improving your fitness will also help. For power there's perfecting your punching technique, especially using your full body rather than arm punching, as well as exercises to get better at explosive movements such as throws.

I don't agree with the above. I agree technique can be improved to generate extra power for a particular person. But if you can't punch, you can't punch. Otherwise a boxer with a great workrate (Paulie Malignaggi 147lb) could do some additional power training and hit like Thomas Hearns at 147lb - its a ridiculous concept isn't it?

People have natural ability. But it can be developed to a significant degree, even if it's hard to do. Hearns is a rather poor example, as it was with good training from Manny Steward that he developed a fearsome punch.

Ok, if Hearns was a poor example, why didn't Manny Steward use good training and develop and fearsome punch in his next student?

[Kilsby]

And Whyte was all over the place against Chisora so I wouldn't even say he had a good chin never mind an example of a great chin.

Chisora isn't even a noted puncher.

He's all over the place to absorb the power. Chisora does have the sharpest punch, but he does often really knock opponents about too.

No, he's all over the place not to absorb the power, but because he CAN'T absorb the power.

His brain was rocked, and his legs turned to jelly with the force of the blow he absorbed

[BitPlayer]

I don't agree with the above. I agree technique can be improved to generate extra power for a particular person. But if you can't punch, you can't punch. Otherwise a boxer with a great workrate (Paulie Malignaggi 147lb) could do some additional power training and hit like Thomas Hearns at 147lb - its a ridiculous concept isn't it?

People have natural ability. But it can be developed to a significant degree, even if it's hard to do. Hearns is a rather poor example, as it was with good training from Manny Steward that he developed a fearsome punch.

Ok, if Hearns was a poor example, why didn't Manny Steward use good training and develop and fearsome punch in his next student?

There's limits to people's abilities, that doesn't mean they can't be significantly trained. Looking through the guys he trained, I don't see anyone I'd consider feather fisted

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I suppose you could try and force a child to do anything, rarely will the results be positive. Any 3 year old being conditioned for their career is suffering child abuse much worse than 'spankings'.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think it is possible.
Look at Eubank Jr, Charvez Jr, Layla Ali and a lot of children who follow their fathers boxing careers and have been in the gym from an early age. Some better and some worse.
Loma is probably the best example, his dad trained him from an early age and look at what he has become.
A lot of Eastern Block am fighters were trained up from an early age and expect the same from China in the coming years.

Loma's dad trained him in dance from a very young age. He didn't start seriously training him in Boxing until years after Loma wanted him too. At least that's what I heard from HBO during all of their telecasts.