IBHOF Projections - Help Update My List

[JCS]

List hasn't been updated in almost 3 years...


Current boxers or recently retired ONLY (2000+):

"The Locks", "Probable", "Maybe", and "Worth a Mention.." lists -- factor only previous achievements for current boxers (as if they voluntarily retired today).


Last Updated: Late 2014

Locks
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Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera [Inducted in 2017]
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Evander Holyfield [Inducted in 2017]
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Wladimir Klitschko
Miguel Cotto


Probable
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Hector Camacho Sr. [Inducted in 2016]
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Arce
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Johnny Tapia [Inducted in 2017]
Vitali Klitschko


Maybe
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Roman Gonzalez
Michael Nunn
Vic Darchinyan
Vernon Forrest
Joel Casamayor
Jose Luis Castillo
Wilfredo Vazquez Sr
Nonito Donaire
Diego Corrales
Fernando Montiel
Tomasz Adamek
Sergio Martinez
Paul Williams
Tim Bradley
Omar Narvaez
Carl Froch

Not yet... but (Speculative - In or past their 7th pro year / have enough quality years left with a good chance to get in the above lists.)
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Brian Viloria
Andre Ward
Felix Sturm
Anselmo Moreno
Hugo Cazares
Abner Mares
Chris John
Mikey Garcia
Danny Garcia
Gennady Golovkin
Jhonny Gonzalez
Saul Alvarez
Leo Santa Cruz
Robert Guerrero


Worth a Mention, But Probably Not
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Acelino Freitas
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Dariusz Michalczewski
Zab Judah
Mikkel Kessler
Jermain Taylor
Jhonny Gonzalez

[crusader]

I would move Paul Williams down to worth a mention but probably not. I also think that Ward should already be at least probable on resume...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's hard to speculate without crunching the years. The 3 must and minimum is stupid. I assume you're just looking for what is going to happen and not opinion so.

Locks you don't have: Vitali, Hatton, Roman, Ward, GGG & canelo.

I'd bump Froch, Winky & Sergio to probable.

Edit: Changed GGG to lock.

[gilgamesh]

It's hard to speculate without crunching the years. The 3 must and minimum is stupid. I assume you're just looking for what is going to happen and not opinion so.

Locks you don't have: Vitali, Hatton, Roman, Ward & canelo.

I'd bump Froch, GGG, Winky & Sergio to probable.

Yeah. Ward not being in the "lock" category was the main thing that jumped out at me. Canelo seems like he's certainly gonna wind up being a HOF lock, but I don't know if he's there just yet. Considering his age though it's difficult to imagine he won't be there when it's all over.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's hard to speculate without crunching the years. The 3 must and minimum is stupid. I assume you're just looking for what is going to happen and not opinion so.

Locks you don't have: Vitali, Hatton, Roman, Ward & canelo.

I'd bump Froch, GGG, Winky & Sergio to probable.

Yeah. Ward not being in the "lock" category was the main thing that jumped out at me. Canelo seems like he's certainly gonna wind up being a HOF lock, but I don't know if he's there just yet. Considering his age though it's difficult to imagine he won't be there when it's all over.

He'd make it if he retired sept 17th after losing. The guys voting really don't know what they're doing.

[gilgamesh]

It's hard to speculate without crunching the years. The 3 must and minimum is stupid. I assume you're just looking for what is going to happen and not opinion so.

Locks you don't have: Vitali, Hatton, Roman, Ward & canelo.

I'd bump Froch, GGG, Winky & Sergio to probable.

Yeah. Ward not being in the "lock" category was the main thing that jumped out at me. Canelo seems like he's certainly gonna wind up being a HOF lock, but I don't know if he's there just yet. Considering his age though it's difficult to imagine he won't be there when it's all over.

He'd make it if he retired sept 17th after losing. The guys voting really don't know what they're doing.

Yeah that's probably true.

[crusader]

I think I might also move Narvaez down to worth a mention but probably not. It would help if he hadn't stunk out the joint and lost nearly every round in his one US showing...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think I might also move Narvaez down to worth a mention but probably not. It would help if he hadn't stunk out the joint and lost nearly every round in his one US showing...

He'll be lucky to see the ballot. They only add 3 new names a year. I just focused on upward movement.

[brian13]

Vitali is eligible next year, I would be surprised if he doesn't get in.

[Best Coast]

Beg to differ on GGG being a lock but a win over Canelo would put him in. Otherwise his credentials are not solid enough, considering his best opponents so far have been over Jacobs, Lemieux and Murray with the win over Jacobs being razor-thin and rather controversial.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Beg to differ on GGG being a lock but a win over Canelo would put him in. Otherwise his credentials are not solid enough, considering his best opponents so far have been over Jacobs, Lemieux and Murray with the win over Jacobs being razor-thin and rather controversial.

His credentials aren't really that important. he's been on these bloggers who do the voting's P4P lists for years. 19 title defenses, etc..

I don't disagree with you, I have strict standards. I wouldn't even put Vitali on the ballot. Someone like dan Rafael has GGG first ballot for sure. That's two surefire HOF guys fighting next month. deserved or not.

[Best Coast]

It's hard to speculate without crunching the years. The 3 must and minimum is stupid. I assume you're just looking for what is going to happen and not opinion so.

Locks you don't have: Vitali, Hatton, Roman, Ward & canelo.

I'd bump Froch, GGG, Winky & Sergio to probable.

Yeah. Ward not being in the "lock" category was the main thing that jumped out at me. Canelo seems like he's certainly gonna wind up being a HOF lock, but I don't know if he's there just yet. Considering his age though it's difficult to imagine he won't be there when it's all over.

Agreed...Ward is clearly a lock with convincing wins over Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Bika and Abraham plus the 2 controversial wins over Kovalev.

[Best Coast]

Beg to differ on GGG being a lock but a win over Canelo would put him in. Otherwise his credentials are not solid enough, considering his best opponents so far have been over Jacobs, Lemieux and Murray with the win over Jacobs being razor-thin and rather controversial.

His credentials aren't really that important. he's been on these bloggers who do the voting's P4P lists for years. 19 title defenses, etc..

I don't disagree with you, I have strict standards. I wouldn't even put Vitali on the ballot. Someone like dan Rafael has GGG first ballot for sure. That's two surefire HOF guys fighting next month. deserved or not.

I see what you're getting at. You're saying I'm being overly idealistic by factoring in credentials that will be IGNORED by the lemmings like Rafael. In that sense, I'd have to agree with you.

But that's sad when you factor in scrubs like Milton Nunez, Rosado, Simon and a BADLY faded version of Ouma (who was legit in his prime). GGG's German promoter had him on a baby-food diet even after he won the WBA belt.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Beg to differ on GGG being a lock but a win over Canelo would put him in. Otherwise his credentials are not solid enough, considering his best opponents so far have been over Jacobs, Lemieux and Murray with the win over Jacobs being razor-thin and rather controversial.

His credentials aren't really that important. he's been on these bloggers who do the voting's P4P lists for years. 19 title defenses, etc..

I don't disagree with you, I have strict standards. I wouldn't even put Vitali on the ballot. Someone like dan Rafael has GGG first ballot for sure. That's two surefire HOF guys fighting next month. deserved or not.

I see what you're getting at. You're saying I'm being overly idealistic by factoring in credentials that will be IGNORED by the lemmings like Rafael. In that sense, I'd have to agree with you.

Of course, I assumed that was the question at hand. I'd vote for Castillo 20 times before I'd give Vitali a half a vote, but big bro and his resume that makes GGG look like Hearns is rolling in first ballot.

[gilgamesh]

Of course, I assumed that was the question at hand. I'd vote for Castillo 20 times before I'd give Vitali a half a vote, but big bro and his resume that makes GGG look like Hearns is rolling in first ballot.

And just for the record I ASKED Rafael if he'd consider JLC worthy of HOF induction or if he ever thought he'd get in.

His answer to me was "No and no"

So you know Fat Dan ain't gonna be voting him in at least.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Of course, I assumed that was the question at hand. I'd vote for Castillo 20 times before I'd give Vitali a half a vote, but big bro and his resume that makes GGG look like Hearns is rolling in first ballot.

And just for the record I ASKED Rafael if he'd consider JLC worthy of HOF induction or if he ever thought he'd get in.

His answer to me was "No and no"

So you know Fat Dan ain't gonna be voting him in at least.

His an assclown when it comes to history, he's just a reliable source of news. I think he was Corrales nuthugger too.

[Best Coast]

His credentials aren't really that important. he's been on these bloggers who do the voting's P4P lists for years. 19 title defenses, etc..

I don't disagree with you, I have strict standards. I wouldn't even put Vitali on the ballot. Someone like dan Rafael has GGG first ballot for sure. That's two surefire HOF guys fighting next month. deserved or not.

I see what you're getting at. You're saying I'm being overly idealistic by factoring in credentials that will be IGNORED by the lemmings like Rafael. In that sense, I'd have to agree with you.

Of course, I assumed that was the question at hand. I'd vote for Castillo 20 times before I'd give Vitali a half a vote, but big bro and his resume that makes GGG look like Hearns is rolling in first ballot.

I had the misconception that the thread was about who SHOULD get in the HOF (deservedly) as opposed to who WILL get in (with politics factored in).

[RScarf1]

I don't think Hatton deserves to be inducted. But hey, why not? Barry McGuigan is there.

[Lackeos]

Vic Darchinyan is unlikely. He has been a human punching bag for top fighters ever since 2009, though he has competed in 22 world title fights.
Fernando Montiel seems unlikely.
Tomasz Adamek also seems kind of unlikely. His reign as a top 20 p4p'er was pretty short.
Paul Williams - I honestly don't see him making it based on his career.
Omar Narvaez - I think he's out.

Brian Viloria is likely out.
Andre Ward is at least probable now, though he needs a larger quantity of world title wins. He has been in the p4p top 5 for a long time.
Felix Sturm should not be ahead of Dariusz Michalczewski, IMO.
Anselmo Moreno is out.
Hugo Cazares is out.
Jhonny Gonzalez - you literally have this guy listed in two different categories.
Chris John is pretty unlikely.
Danny Garcia looked to have good chances at the rate he was going. I think he might be done going at that rate. You could move him down.
Gennady Golovkin moves up at least to the maybe category after such a lengthy string of dominant title defenses against ordinary challengers.
Saul Alvarez should move up at least to the maybe category. He has been in the top p4p ranks for long enough, he's made a ton of money, has a ton of fame. He already has many great wins on this resume. If he were to retire at age 27, he'd have a chance of getting inducted. If he kept boxing until his mid 30's, it seems unavoidable.
Leo Santa Cruz should move up to maybe. He has 13 world title wins, and has won his rematch against Frampton, not to mention his wins over Mares, Mijares, and Munoz. Up next, he has a rematch with Mares, and if he wins that, it will significantly strengthen his candidacy. He's only 29, and at the rate he's going, his chances are good.
Robert Guerrero is out. His career had a great start -- 9 world title wins in 3 different divisions. If he had captured a belt at 140 and defended it a bunch, he'd have a shot. Instead, 147 chewed him up, spit him out, and ended his prime.

Terence Crawford - He's already a 2-weight world champ with wins over Burns, Gamboa, and Postol. He's been p4p top 10 for 3 years now, and if he beats Indongo, he is a very made man. With a win over Indongo, you should put him into the maybe category.

Lomachenko could be added to the too-early-to-tell category if you could look past him not being pro for 7 years yet. He has already participated in 9 world title fights.

[JCS]

Current boxers or recently retired ONLY (2000+):

"The Locks", "Probable", "Maybe", and "Worth a Mention.." lists -- factor only previous achievements for current boxers (as if they voluntarily retired today).


Last Updated: 8/17/2017

Locks
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Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera [Inducted in 2017]
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Evander Holyfield [Inducted in 2017]
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Wladimir Klitschko
Miguel Cotto


Probable
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Hector Camacho Sr. [Inducted in 2016]
Roman Gonzalez [UPGRADED]
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Arce
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Johnny Tapia [Inducted in 2017]
Vitali Klitschko
Canelo Alvarez [UPGRADED 2]
Andre Ward [UPGRADED 2]
Gennady Golovkin [UPGRADED 2]


Maybe
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Michael Nunn
Vernon Forrest
Joel Casamayor
Jose Luis Castillo
Wilfredo Vazquez Sr
Nonito Donaire
Diego Corrales
Fernando Montiel
Tomasz Adamek
Sergio Martinez
Tim Bradley
Omar Narvaez
Carl Froch
Leo Santa Cruz [UPGRADED]


Not yet... but (Speculative - In or past their 7th pro year OR 5+ title fights / have enough quality years left with a good chance to get in the above lists.)
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Felix Sturm
Abner Mares
Mikey Garcia
Danny Garcia
Jhonny Gonzalez
Vasyl Lomachenko [NEW]
Terence Crawford [NEW]
Keith Thurman [NEW]


Worth a Mention, But Probably Not
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Vic Darchinyan [DOWNGRADED 2]
Anselmo Moreno [DOWNGRADED]
Hugo Cazares [DOWNGRADED]
Paul Williams [DOWNGRADED]
Brian Viloria [DOWNGRADED]
Robert Guerrero [DOWNGRADED]
Chris John [DOWNGRADED]
Acelino Freitas
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Dariusz Michalczewski
Zab Judah
Mikkel Kessler
Jermain Taylor



Thanks.. as stated earlier, this list hasn't been touched in 3 years. Some thoughts.

Paul Williams - Downgraded, but not completely removed... as athletes have been known to get the sympathy vote after a career-ending injury.

"Locks" are saved for absolute no-doubt locks. I'm not convinced that some fighters mentioned as locks are indeed locks. With that being said, I think the winner of Golovkin/Canelo probably gets that honor.

Omar Narvaez - Voters will be too awestruck with all the title wins... still hesitant to move him up from "Maybe" but I think he deserves to be there.

Jhonny Gonzalez - Removed his duplicate.. I still think he is a weak "Maybe".

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Voters don't know who Narvaez is. He won't make the ballot.

[Jaywheel]

Haye has a better chance of getting in based on his CW resume than Narvaez.

[Lackeos]

You have a duplicate Anselmo Moreno that needs removing now.

Also, I mentioned in another thread, I think Orlando Salido might have an outside chance. He's a 2-weight titlist and he's participated in 15 world title fights. He has a win over Lomachenko and 2 wins over Juan Manuel Lopez. He's fought a lot of other high profile opponents like Juan Manuel Marquez, Robert Guerrero, Mikey Garcia, and Yuri Gamboa. He probably won't make him, and I'm probably the only person giving his candidacy this much credit, but he seems rather close. It would really help his cause if he captured a lightweight world title to become a 3-weight world champ while simultaneously adding another title win.

[JCS]

I think Salido is a pretty big stretch for consideration...

Does anyone have love for Adonis Stevenson? How about Rigondeaux?

[Perseus]

Adonis has zero chance at IBHOF induction.