8 ounces---conor vs floyd

[Oiky]

All it means is McG is going to get peppered relentlessly with dear little gloves

If Floyd didn't think this would do him any good he wouldlnt be game for it

[Sequitorian]

The black guy (verbally) beat the white guy, that's what usually happens in boxing.

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I don't know what the "(verbally)" thing is all about ...

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

[seattledirk]

The black guy (verbally) beat the white guy, that's what usually happens in boxing.

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I don't know what the "(verbally)" thing is all about ...

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

I meant the interview where the black guy tried to talk some sense into Kellerman.

[USMCer]

I thought Max Kellerman was smarter than this...

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Of course the smaller gloves if anything will increase the likelihood of a lucky punch ending the fight and those are the only shot Conor has. Don't know why Kellerman is ignorant to that simple logic. Maybe he felt to sophisticated to go with the obvious.

One more thing that might make the miracle happen:
The first victim of aging in combat sports are reflexes, the second victim is the chin.
We've seen countless examples of fighters (boxing, MMA, etc.) turning "old" over night. Roy Jones Jr., Anderson Silva, Fedor Emelianenko... all suddenly went south from one fight to the next. When the reflexes are gone and your chin becomes vulnerable, suddenly you lost all that magic and it usually happens way before the fighter turns 40.
That and the small chance of Floyd breaking both hands on Conors forehead are the only reasons I can think of why Conor might have a shot. It definitely won't be because he's the better boxer.

I'd add...
- Southpaw element
- Awkward stance/range
- The unknown factor/unorthodox approach (besides stance)
- Lack of Reach advantage (which Floyd is used to)
- Lack of Mind-game advantage (which Floyd is used to)

It's a bunch of different little factors, for me.

[USMCer]

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

MMA = fighting

... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place...


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[Sequitorian]

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

MMA = fighting

... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place ...

... MMA = dirty fighting ...

[USMCer]

MMA = fighting
... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place ...

... MMA = dirty fighting ...

Pfffff...

So "clean" fighting is just using punches, is that it?!?

[Sequitorian]

MMA = fighting
... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place ...

... MMA = dirty fighting ...

Pfffff...

So "clean" fighting is just using punches, is that it?!?

... http://www.boxingarts.com/ ...

[lazboy]

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

MMA = fighting

... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place...


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Stop talking S USMCer MMA = Real fighting . I hear this time and time again. Have you seen street fights, they are mostly punch ons. You hardly see a kick and then this myth got introduced that they are 90% wrestling. F off, all that comes after the punches have done the damage. MMA is a sport much like boxing but cannot be class as "real fighting", boxing is closer to real street fighting, if MMA is real fighting as you say you should be allowed to bite, spit and grab ppls testicles. Get out of here with that MMA nonsense.

[USMCer]

... but ...(to paraphrase) ... black guys beating white guys ...

... is one of the reasons MMA became so popular in the first place ...

MMA = fighting

... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place...

Stop talking S USMCer MMA = Real fighting . I hear this time and time again. Have you seen street fights, they are mostly punch ons. You hardly see a kick and then this myth got introduced that they are 90% wrestling. F off, all that comes after the punches have done the damage. MMA is a sport much like boxing but cannot be class as "real fighting", boxing is closer to real street fighting, if MMA is real fighting as you say you should be allowed to bite, spit and grab ppls testicles. Get out of here with that MMA nonsense.

Didn't say "real" fighting, didn't say "street" fighting.
No sh*t, MMA is a sport.

Mind the context, please, Lazy.
The guy is insinuating that MMA has become popular because it's where 'white guys aren't being beat by black guys'... or some such drivel.

My retort to that is: MMA = fighting, and that is why the sport has become so popular; not the racial BS.

I'm not talking down on Boxing, per se.

[lazboy]

MMA = fighting

... is the biggest reason MMA is so popular in the first place...

Stop talking S USMCer MMA = Real fighting . I hear this time and time again. Have you seen street fights, they are mostly punch ons. You hardly see a kick and then this myth got introduced that they are 90% wrestling. F off, all that comes after the punches have done the damage. MMA is a sport much like boxing but cannot be class as "real fighting", boxing is closer to real street fighting, if MMA is real fighting as you say you should be allowed to bite, spit and grab ppls testicles. Get out of here with that MMA nonsense.

Didn't say "real" fighting, didn't say "street" fighting.
No sh*t, MMA is a sport.

Mind the context, please, Lazy.
The guy is insinuating that MMA has become popular because it's where 'white guys aren't being beat by black guys'... or some such drivel.

My retort to that was: MMA = fighting, and that is why the sport has become so popular; not the racial BS.

Ok fair enough i misinterpreted that. He hates MMA haha. Listen, they are fighters just like boxers are fighters, respect to them all but personally I'm an mma hater haha.

[USMCer]

So "clean" fighting is just using punches, is that it?!?

... http://www.boxingarts.com/ ...

Cliff-notes?
Does it mention something about "kicking"?

FYI, Jiu Jitsu is known as "the gentle art"... where you can subdue your opponent without ever throwing a punch, kick, knee, or elbow. Is that "cleaner" fighting than Boxing then?

[USMCer]

Stop talking S USMCer MMA = Real fighting . I hear this time and time again. Have you seen street fights, they are mostly punch ons. You hardly see a kick and then this myth got introduced that they are 90% wrestling. F off, all that comes after the punches have done the damage. MMA is a sport much like boxing but cannot be class as "real fighting", boxing is closer to real street fighting, if MMA is real fighting as you say you should be allowed to bite, spit and grab ppls testicles. Get out of here with that MMA nonsense.

Mind the context...
The guy is insinuating that MMA has become popular because it's where 'white guys aren't being beat by black guys'... or some such drivel.

My retort to that is: MMA = fighting, and that is why the sport has become so popular; not the racial BS. I'm not talking down on Boxing, per se.

Ok fair enough i misinterpreted that. He hates MMA haha. Listen, they are fighters just like boxers are fighters, respect to them all but personally I'm an mma hater haha.

But on that topic^...
Most people suck at fighting. Your average guy from the Caucasus region destroys your average "westerner"... and that's because those people grow up on the striking and grappling martial arts; a more complete form of fighting (and that's just facts).

[Sequitorian]

FYI, Jiu Jitsu is known as "the gentle art"... where you can subdue your opponent without ever throwing a punch, kick, knee, or elbow. Is that "cleaner" fighting than Boxing then?

... no ...

[Sequitorian]

Your average guy from the Caucasus region destroys your average "westerner"... and that's because those people grow up on the striking and grappling martial arts; a more complete form of fighting (and that's just facts).

... nonsense ...

[lazboy]

Stop talking S USMCer MMA = Real fighting . I hear this time and time again. Have you seen street fights, they are mostly punch ons. You hardly see a kick and then this myth got introduced that they are 90% wrestling. F off, all that comes after the punches have done the damage. MMA is a sport much like boxing but cannot be class as "real fighting", boxing is closer to real street fighting, if MMA is real fighting as you say you should be allowed to bite, spit and grab ppls testicles. Get out of here with that MMA nonsense.

Mind the context...
The guy is insinuating that MMA has become popular because it's where 'white guys aren't being beat by black guys'... or some such drivel.

My retort to that is: MMA = fighting, and that is why the sport has become so popular; not the racial BS. I'm not talking down on Boxing, per se.

Ok fair enough i misinterpreted that. He hates MMA haha. Listen, they are fighters just like boxers are fighters, respect to them all but personally I'm an mma hater haha.

But on that topic^...
Most people suck at fighting. Your average guy from the Caucasus region destroys your average "westerner"... and that's because those people grow up on the striking and grappling martial arts; a more complete form of fighting (and that's just facts).

I would definitely give the advantage in street fighting to countries where fighting is the main sport such as Thailand (mui Thai), in a pound for pound sense. But anyway, the point is, boxing is just the better sport, you know it, the world knows it. Thats why an MMA admirer such as yourself has chosen to switch to a boxing forum. You wanted some class in your life, an intelligent interaction perhaps, thats how us boxing fans are....just a step up above the "I wash myself with a rag on a stick" MMA contingent.

[seattledirk]

If you distinguish between fighting and sports, then the difference has to be: fighting = no restrictions/rules --> the more restrictions the less of a fight it becomes and the more it becomes a sport.
MMA has much less restrictions than boxing, so by definition it is more of a fight than boxing. MMA on the other hand is much more restricted than a street fight and so forth.

Let's take the aforementioned Jiu-Jitsu as an example. HIstorically developed in the Japanese military for close-combat. The aim was to neutralize the opponent with (small-)joint manipulations, essentially crippling the enemy to neutralize him. In MMA you aren't allowed to break fingers, gouch eyes, squeeze balls etc. --> MMA jiu-jitsu is more restricted than original jiu-jitsu.

The more restrictions you apply on someone, the less effective of a combat-machine that person becomes obviously.
- In that sense: Under MMA-rules, the MMA fighter will always beat the boxer within minutes and it's not even a contest.
- Under boxing rules, the boxer will beat the crap out of the MMA-fighter almost every time.
- Under no rules, the MMA fighter will always beat the boxer as long as the boxer doesn't learn grappling and defending submission holds.

It's silly to compare both sports with "street fights" and argue that most street fights only contain a few punches. That is because most people fighting on the street don't know how to fight.

[lazboy]

If you distinguish between fighting and sports, then the difference has to be: fighting = no restrictions/rules --> the more restrictions the less of a fight it becomes and the more it becomes a sport.
MMA has much less restrictions than boxing, so by definition it is more of a fight than boxing. MMA on the other hand is much more restricted than a street fight and so forth.

Let's take the aforementioned Jiu-Jitsu as an example. HIstorically developed in the Japanese military for close-combat. The aim was to neutralize the opponent with (small-)joint manipulations, essentially crippling the enemy to neutralize him. In MMA you aren't allowed to break fingers, gouch eyes, squeeze balls etc. --> MMA jiu-jitsu is more restricted than original jiu-jitsu.

The more restrictions you apply on someone, the less effective of a combat-machine that person becomes obviously.
- In that sense: Under MMA-rules, the MMA fighter will always beat the boxer within minutes and it's not even a contest.
- Under boxing rules, the boxer will beat the crap out of the MMA-fighter almost every time.
- Under no rules, the MMA fighter will always beat the boxer as long as the boxer doesn't learn grappling and defending submission holds.

It's silly to compare both sports with "street fights" and argue that most street fights only contain a few punches. That is because most people fighting on the street don't know how to fight.

Ok so you say it silly to compare both fights with street fights yet you go ahead and give the definitive answer anyway. "The mma fighter will always beat the boxer." Slyly you put in, "the boxer that doesn't learn grappling and defending submission holds." Well today's boxers do grapple, have you seen a Ward or a Porter fight, even Duran used some of this type of boxing manipulating hands etc. Why can't they use some of these techniques, I'm sure there are plenty of boxers interested in other combat disciplines and/or practice strength and conditioning exercisies but they are still just boxers and not mma fighters, i mean MMA fighters are allowed to throw punches in street fights why can't a boxer grab or grab a bottle and throw it at your face.

Take another example, a pure boxer Erislandy Lara, take the location, the outside of a bar, the fight spills out onto a open car park or a road, are you saying he couldn't get on his proverbial bike and box circles around an mma fighter? There's to many factors at play to give a definitive answer such as you did. Obviously you have good arguments for which I do acknowledge although it's not a black and white answer.

[pound per pound]

This match is a farce. Pay no attention to it.

Who wins between the tiger and the shark? In the water the shark, out of it the tiger.

MMA vs Boxing...the winner depends on which rules they use.

[Evander]

This fight is hyped up big time, everyone is talking about it.
The MMA fans are coming at me left right and centre at work because they know I'm boxing, they're right up for it and it's been the talk of the town for weeks.
This McGregor guy is cool as f__k I gotta hand it to him he's been amazing in the build up and promotion, I'm suspicious he blagging it or in it for just 5 minutes ... know what I mean ?
Floyd has by no means a reputation as kick off merchant and now he's in his 40's suggests to me it's not going to change.
No question this fight has captivated sports fans, it has full on attention and everyone I speak to would love to watch it.
Up here they're asking $ 89 Canadian Dollars, I'm not paying for it but would like to watch what materializes but it's a big ask for Joe Public they should significantly lower their prices.
Hope it's a great event and full of drama and mischief, they got the floor no question about that and it's a boxing match and has our name on it one way or the other so I gotta back it.

Who wins ... I haven't got a clue.
Who do I want to win ... Floyd because he's a boxer and among the greatest of an era and proved it legitimately ...he's clean.

Nothing against McGregor I like the guy, be nice regardless of what happens to see him use some of his influence and big up Tyson Fury and get him level headed again and back in the sport, be a nice touch one way or the other.

[Sequitorian]

This fight is all about what the rules-of-engagement should be in a civilized world ...

... that's what it's all about ...

... study boxing ...

http://www.boxingarts.com/

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[caldo2025]

Floyd's had a history of hand issues and apparently, the rumor is, Conor has a man's chin. That combination always brings the possibility that the hand brittle fighter will hurt his hands at some point in the fight now you sprinkle in the fact that they are using 8oz gloves...that increases the possibility quite a bit.

Can you imagine Floyd being forced to fight one handed in this fight and have to gut one out for the first time in his career? A one handed Floyd vs. Conor is a great fight. Two hands...not so much.

[seattledirk]

Floyd's had a history of hand issues and apparently, the rumor is, Conor has a man's chin. That combination always brings the possibility that the hand brittle fighter will hurt his hands at some point in the fight now you sprinkle in the fact that they are using 8oz gloves...that increases the possibility quite a bit.

Can you imagine Floyd being forced to fight one handed in this fight and have to gut one out for the first time in his career? A one handed Floyd vs. Conor is a great fight. Two hands...not so much.

Arturo Gatti beat up Mickey Ward with broken hands in their 3rd (?) encounter. A broken hand doesn't equal a chopped off hand. Should Floyd break a hand or two, it wouldn't stop him from ensuring victory. He wouldn't risk ruining his legacy by losing against a boxing newbie just because of a broken hand.

[Esquire]

He has known hand issues. How can it give him an advantage? They are just trying to sell more PPVs.

He seems to do alright when after he takes extended breaks from boxing. It will be an advantage because to McGregor, Floyd will feel like a puncher.

No he won't, McGregor gets hit harder all the time. What he will feel like is one of the best boxers in history smashing him with punches he can't see or avoid.

This. Floyd will hit Connor at will over and over again until Connor quits, gets knocked out, or gets saved by his corner or the referee. I will be disappointed if Floyd extends this charade longer than it needs to be. A two or three round knockout sounds about right.

[AntonS]

Fail to see problem if allowed bandaging & tape (hand protectors) fit comfortably in gloves.....giving them good control of gloves.