Is the Fury v Parker going to be a hard sell?

[Glass Joe]

It will be PPV in NZ which should generate about £400,000 because it is a whopping £22 a pop. As seat sales and some sponsorship and they should scrape by.

60k to promote the event isn’t going to help one bit, if no one is interested in the fight or fighters then they will not spend money on buying a ticket and TV will not spend big money on buying the rights to the fight and with 6 weeks to go it’s defo not looking good for hennessey or the fury’s.

anyone with half a brain can see once you add all of the undercard purses and event costs you must be looking at around £3 million to pay everyone and a few thousand sold tickets and and 400k PPV in new zealand ain’t going to cover that. so where is hennessey getting the cash from?

It looks like yet again hennessey will not delivered for his fighter, when are these guys going to realise that he is the worst promoter out there with no clue on how to promote an event. when was the last time did we hear from hennessey about this fight apart from the press conference, at least hearn and warren would be getting themselves out there to promote the event.

hennessey might as well of saved the 60k on advertising and spent it in greggs, least he would of got some enjoyment out of it before flushing it down the toilet!

Yeah it will be expensive to put on the show and unfortunately Mick Hennessy just doesn't have deep pockets. Hennessy Sports only had £70k in the bank last accounts and his two companies combined have a negative value of -£1m. Let's hope a good TV deal can be announced or this will be a struggle. Cant believe FW isn't involved or at least doesn't appear to be as he would have done things far better.

Thats interesting Hennessey only had £70k in the bank, thats surely not going cover any shortfalls especially if he has spent £60k on advertising.

I’ve just googled Hennessy Sports and very interesting reading, it looks like 3 companies have been closed in recent years and not down to Hennessey himself and some for a lot of money. Ouch!!

Going to be an interesting 6 weeks to see if this fight does actually goes ahead.

Just wish for us fans that hennessey would speak up now and again and tell us whats going on instead of just hiding out, as said before least hearn and warren would be keeping us up to date with whats going on and it would be nice to know what tv station this will be on, but i guess no news is bad news and he hasn’t yet again managed to secure tv.

time to go out and buy a kodi box so at least i can watch it on new zealand ppv if it goes ahead.

[Mark Lloyd]

60k to promote the event isn’t going to help one bit, if no one is interested in the fight or fighters then they will not spend money on buying a ticket and TV will not spend big money on buying the rights to the fight and with 6 weeks to go it’s defo not looking good for hennessey or the fury’s.

anyone with half a brain can see once you add all of the undercard purses and event costs you must be looking at around £3 million to pay everyone and a few thousand sold tickets and and 400k PPV in new zealand ain’t going to cover that. so where is hennessey getting the cash from?

It looks like yet again hennessey will not delivered for his fighter, when are these guys going to realise that he is the worst promoter out there with no clue on how to promote an event. when was the last time did we hear from hennessey about this fight apart from the press conference, at least hearn and warren would be getting themselves out there to promote the event.

hennessey might as well of saved the 60k on advertising and spent it in greggs, least he would of got some enjoyment out of it before flushing it down the toilet!

Yeah it will be expensive to put on the show and unfortunately Mick Hennessy just doesn't have deep pockets. Hennessy Sports only had £70k in the bank last accounts and his two companies combined have a negative value of -£1m. Let's hope a good TV deal can be announced or this will be a struggle. Cant believe FW isn't involved or at least doesn't appear to be as he would have done things far better.

Thats interesting Hennessey only had £70k in the bank, thats surely not going cover any shortfalls especially if he has spent £60k on advertising.

I’ve just googled Hennessy Sports and very interesting reading, it looks like 3 companies have been closed in recent years and not down to Hennessey himself and some for a lot of money. Ouch!!

Going to be an interesting 6 weeks to see if this fight does actually goes ahead.

Just wish for us fans that hennessey would speak up now and again and tell us whats going on instead of just hiding out, as said before least hearn and warren would be keeping us up to date with whats going on and it would be nice to know what tv station this will be on, but i guess no news is bad news and he hasn’t yet again managed to secure tv.

time to go out and buy a kodi box so at least i can watch it on new zealand ppv if it goes ahead.

Agreed. It is a shame that Hennessy won't actually promote the fight. The Fury's loyalty to him is admirable but is jeopardising their careers.

[rd350lc]

time to go out and buy a kodi box so at least i can watch it on new zealand ppv if it goes ahead.

No need , you can install kodi on your pc if you have one .

[3132DW]

ITV Box Office for this show ?

[rd350lc]

ITV Box Office for this show ?

That was what people were talking about , but I would have thought they would have been advertising it by now

[Glass Joe]

Thanks rd350lc, didn’t know you could do that, but just googled it!

I’ve spoken to someone on another forum who knows one of the boxers on the undercard and they are saying it’s not on ITV PPV and not sure what channel it will be on, my bet is as hennessey is involved we will be able to watch it after 9pm on cbeebies! Hennessy will probably have to go though Poxon for it to be on ITV and i doubt Poxon would want to agree with Mick terms.

The guy is an absolute joke, now only 5 weeks to go and he still hasn’t announced TV yet, what a great job he is doing for his only boxer! hearn and warren and any other the other small hall promoters would keep us the fans up to date, hennessey no chance.

IFL tv need to catch up with Hennessy and ask him whats going on. They do great hour long interviews with Frank and Hearn.

[dirk2686]

It stinks of another financial mess. Surely it's a relatively simple numbers game. If the money you have to stump up to pay the fighters, hire the venue and security, cover all the admin costs, organise the PR and pay all staff involved with that is less than the amount you bring in from advertising, ticket sales, TV rights/PPV and merchandise you make money.

The trick is understanding the value of your product and I just can't get my head round that element here. Why oh why hire a venue like Manchester Arena for a Hughie Fury fight? It's like picking an 800 capacity castle for your wedding and inviting sixty guests. Fine if you've got the funds to write off the losses but not if you're on a tight budget.

I wonder if Hughie will fight at all. I can see Parker fighting Haye by the end of the year and that being his next fight. He must be absolutely pig sick of dealing with the Furys and Hennessy.

[TheCobra]

Hennessy has been dead in the water ever since he lost his TV deal with Sky.

When was that, 2008-ish? I can't believe any fighters still sign for him.

[Mimmy]

It stinks of another financial mess. Surely it's a relatively simple numbers game. If the money you have to stump up to pay the fighters, hire the venue and security, cover all the admin costs, organise the PR and pay all staff involved with that is less than the amount you bring in from advertising, ticket sales, TV rights/PPV and merchandise you make money.

The trick is understanding the value of your product and I just can't get my head round that element here. Why oh why hire a venue like Manchester Arena for a Hughie Fury fight? It's like picking an 800 capacity castle for your wedding and inviting sixty guests. Fine if you've got the funds to write off the losses but not if you're on a tight budget.

I wonder if Hughie will fight at all. I can see Parker fighting Haye by the end of the year and that being his next fight. He must be absolutely pig sick of dealing with the Furys and Hennessy.

Good post this one.

Do you see a bankruptcy on the cards here either if the fight goes ahead or if the whole show is pulled?

If the show is pulled will it save money or if the show goes ahead will they lose more money, so its kind of better to pull the plug and lose but not as much as if the whole bill goes ahead?

[KiwiRider]

It stinks of another financial mess. Surely it's a relatively simple numbers game. If the money you have to stump up to pay the fighters, hire the venue and security, cover all the admin costs, organise the PR and pay all staff involved with that is less than the amount you bring in from advertising, ticket sales, TV rights/PPV and merchandise you make money.

The trick is understanding the value of your product and I just can't get my head round that element here. Why oh why hire a venue like Manchester Arena for a Hughie Fury fight? It's like picking an 800 capacity castle for your wedding and inviting sixty guests. Fine if you've got the funds to write off the losses but not if you're on a tight budget.

I wonder if Hughie will fight at all. I can see Parker fighting Haye by the end of the year and that being his next fight. He must be absolutely pig sick of dealing with the Furys and Hennessy.

Good post this one.

Do you see a bankruptcy on the cards here either if the fight goes ahead or if the whole show is pulled?

If the show is pulled will it save money or if the show goes ahead will they lose more money, so its kind of better to pull the plug and lose but not as much as if the whole bill goes ahead?

Let's not forget it is in conjunction with Duco Events. OK, not a giant by any means, but it's not just Hennessey in this. And Eddie has been lurking, remember his talks of a back up with Parker?
It's shaky alright, but I don't feel it is as shaky as being portrayed here.

[Arsenal49]

It's embarrassing how a heavyweight title fight can only sell a few thousand tickets but Crolla burns a lightweight non title fight can sell out the whole arena

[gilgamesh]

It's embarrassing how a heavyweight title fight can only sell a few thousand tickets but Crolla burns a lightweight non title fight can sell out the whole arena

To me that's a comment on how often the Fury's have pulled out of/cancelled fights of late, and the fact that a lot of people don't see Fury as a worthy challenger nor Parker a worthy Champion.

Crolla and Burns should be a fun, evenly matched contest.

[KiwiRider]

It's embarrassing how a heavyweight title fight can only sell a few thousand tickets but Crolla burns a lightweight non title fight can sell out the whole arena

To me that's a comment on how often the Fury's have pulled out of/cancelled fights of late, and the fact that a lot of people don't see Fury as a worthy challenger nor Parker a worthy Champion.

Crolla and Burns should be a fun, evenly matched contest.

X2
I was going to say Parker has a better resume than Wilder, but then he isn't a worthy champion either

[dbf]

According to The Sun this is likely to end up on BT - https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4270483/ ... am-boxing/

[CaptainSpacerod]

Somebody please explain to me what the fvck is going on here ?

Parker, to the casual fan, seems to be a proper prospect, a young undefeated heavyweight with a big following in his homeland who already holds a version of the world title albeit a sh1te one. There are a whole host of attractive fights for him out there. I understand it's not easy to make fights and I assume most fighters won't wanna travel all the way to NZ to fight him but surely he can do better than this fiasco.

Why the fvck is he messing about waiting to fight a relative nobody whose rise to prominence is based solely on being Tyson Fury's cousin. Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?

Mick Hen seems like an absolutely top fella but even his most ardent supporters couldn't defend his record as a promoter. I can remember how Froch's loyalty to him held back his career. Wasn't his never to be forgotten fairytale finish against Taylor fought in some backwoods casino in the middle of nowhere and screened on some god forsaken satellite channel nobody had ever heard of ? Any promoter in the world would dream of unearthing two bona fide superstars like Froch and big Tyson but despite having had first dibs on them Mick never seemed to get anywhere near the big time.

I don't see anything in the press about this fight - no publicity whatsoever - the only info I get is from knowledgeable posters on here who are speculating that this fight might fall by the wayside again. Parker's in his prime, the HW division is thriving and is in the public consciousness again (certainly in the UK) thanks to big Tyson, AJ and the Haye/Bellew farce so Parker and his team should be looking to strike while the iron's hot not p1ssing about with meaningless, financially unviable fights.

It's all so confusing.

[coneye]

[quote="CaptainSpacerod"]Somebody please explain to me what the fvck is going on here ?

Parker, to the casual fan, seems to be a proper prospect, a young undefeated heavyweight with a big following in his homeland who already holds a version of the world title albeit a sh1te one. There are a whole host of attractive fights for him out there. I understand it's not easy to make fights and I assume most fighters won't wanna travel all the way to NZ to fight him but surely he can do better than this fiasco.

Why the fvck is he messing about waiting to fight a relative nobody whose rise to prominence is based solely on being Tyson Fury's cousin. Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?


Its a sensible fight ,, For Parker to get the big names /fights , he needs to become well known, the UK is the place where heavyweight boxing is reigning supreme at the moment .. Ok its said the real big money is in the states ,but theres enough in the UK to make him very rich , this fight if he wins gets him known , Then who knows Hearn has to find opponents for Joishua ,, Bellow ,, and you have Wyhite hanging around ,, if Joe wins this in style his stock goes up , and so does his price tag

[KiwiRider]

Huey is the number 1 challenger to Parker's belt. He is meeting his obligations in paitently waiting to do this.
Then he is cleared to move on.
Parker and his team have admirably bent over backwards to make it happen.
Apart from that, it's a good step up for him and gives some (minimal but important) exposure in the all important UK market.
Time will tell how Parker does, a work in progress for sure.
Is he ready for AJ?
Nope.
Is he ready for Wilder?
Maybe soon, for about 8 months his team have been slipping in sparring partners of Wilders dimensions, read into that what you will...

[BillW]

Parker just has to drag Huey's sorry arse into a ring somewhere/anywhere and get this mandatory out of the way.
His career is getting stalled by this bunch of dysfunctional idiots.
Beating up sides of beef wtf!!!
And the only good Huey can do with that axe is to take it into the ring with him.
And he'd still lose.

[moogie101]

Somebody please explain to me what the fvck is going on here ?

Parker, to the casual fan, seems to be a proper prospect, a young undefeated heavyweight with a big following in his homeland who already holds a version of the world title albeit a sh1te one. There are a whole host of attractive fights for him out there. I understand it's not easy to make fights and I assume most fighters won't wanna travel all the way to NZ to fight him but surely he can do better than this fiasco.

Why the fvck is he messing about waiting to fight a relative nobody whose rise to prominence is based solely on being Tyson Fury's cousin. Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?

Mick Hen seems like an absolutely top fella but even his most ardent supporters couldn't defend his record as a promoter. I can remember how Froch's loyalty to him held back his career. Wasn't his never to be forgotten fairytale finish against Taylor fought in some backwoods casino in the middle of nowhere and screened on some god forsaken satellite channel nobody had ever heard of ? Any promoter in the world would dream of unearthing two bona fide superstars like Froch and big Tyson but despite having had first dibs on them Mick never seemed to get anywhere near the big time.

I don't see anything in the press about this fight - no publicity whatsoever - the only info I get is from knowledgeable posters on here who are speculating that this fight might fall by the wayside again. Parker's in his prime, the HW division is thriving and is in the public consciousness again (certainly in the UK) thanks to big Tyson, AJ and the Haye/Bellew farce so Parker and his team should be looking to strike while the iron's hot not p1ssing about with meaningless, financially unviable fights.

It's all so confusing.

Personally I'd say that Parker is a complete unknown to the casual fan (at least in the UK) & this fight is all about using that Fury surname to try & get him established over here to presumably set up a unification fight with AJ.


Totally agree that Hughie needs a new promoter though, loyalty is great but this is going to really affect his career.

[dirk2686]

Hughie did get a new promoter in fairness; he signed with Warren in March 2016.

[Andrew]

Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?
:

Hughie has not publically been cleared by UKAD. Him and Tyson share a doping charge which now goes back 2.5 years.

I reckon Hughie has been provisionally allowed to fight like he and Tyson were last year for the rescheduled Klitschko rematch card. Then Tyson got two further doping violations hence why he isn't fighting.

Until the case file is uploaded no one knows what is going on with that. It's a complete mess because UKAD are not fit for purpose.

Well the New Zealand fight was dodgy to begin with because Hughie signed the contract at the last minute after the WBO threatened to cancel the fight because he hadn't signed. This was the purse bid contract for big money.

My stance with that was not that the fight wouldn't happen, but I would only think it was on when Team fury landed in New Zealand ( as due to time difference you need to be there a few weeks before the fight )

It was a day after NZ press wrote that the Furys were unhappy with travel arrangements that Hughies back injury emerged....

This is only happening again because Fury is WBO mandatory. We know why that is. Not because of who he has beaten... Because Fr@nk W@rren was his promoter yet he is nowhere to be seen. Hence why I don't think this fight will be on BT.

Next two weeks will be interesting, that's when we know whether it's in or off. A TV deal announcement would give people confidence it is happening though.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Its a sensible fight ,, For Parker to get the big names /fights , he needs to become well known, the UK is the place where heavyweight boxing is reigning supreme at the moment .. Ok its said the real big money is in the states ,but theres enough in the UK to make him very rich , this fight if he wins gets him known , Then who knows Hearn has to find opponents for Joishua ,, Bellow ,, and you have Wyhite hanging around ,, if Joe wins this in style his stock goes up , and so does his price tag

I agree that a UK fight makes sense but I would've thought fighting somebody like Whyte or Chisora or even Price would raise Parker's profile more than fighting the totally unknown Hughie.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Personally I'd say that Parker is a complete unknown to the casual fan (at least in the UK) & this fight is all about using that Fury surname to try & get him established over here to presumably set up a unification fight with AJ.


Totally agree that Hughie needs a new promoter though, loyalty is great but this is going to really affect his career.

Just having a famous cousin doesn't get the job done though. If a football club chairman hyped the fact that his club were signing Gerrard this summer but it turned out to be Steven's much less talented, virtually unknown cousin the fans would consider it a pretty sneaky way of tricking them into buying tickets.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?
:

Hughie has not publically been cleared by UKAD. Him and Tyson share a doping charge which now goes back 2.5 years.

I reckon Hughie has been provisionally allowed to fight like he and Tyson were last year for the rescheduled Klitschko rematch card. Then Tyson got two further doping violations hence why he isn't fighting.

Until the case file is uploaded no one knows what is going on with that. It's a complete mess because UKAD are not fit for purpose.

Well the New Zealand fight was dodgy to begin with because Hughie signed the contract at the last minute after the WBO threatened to cancel the fight because he hadn't signed. This was the purse bid contract for big money.

My stance with that was not that the fight wouldn't happen, but I would only think it was on when Team fury landed in New Zealand ( as due to time difference you need to be there a few weeks before the fight )

It was a day after NZ press wrote that the Furys were unhappy with travel arrangements that Hughies back injury emerged....

This is only happening again because Fury is WBO mandatory. We know why that is. Not because of who he has beaten... Because Fr@nk W@rren was his promoter yet he is nowhere to be seen. Hence why I don't think this fight will be on BT.

Next two weeks will be interesting, that's when we know whether it's in or off. A TV deal announcement would give people confidence it is happening though.

Thanks pal that's shed some light on things for me. I've read your comments re UKAD and the Furys on other threads and it does seem a very murky situation that desperately needs sorting out quickly.

With regard to Fury being Parker's mandatory, does holding the WBO title really give Parker that much bargaining power when it comes to negotiating for potential fights against AJ and Wilder in the future ? He would have to offset any potential increase in future earnings for unification fights against the fact that dealing with the amateur hour Fury's and having to pay for 2 training camps and all the other expenses incurred in making fights that are subsequently cancelled will presumably leave him massively out of pocket as well as having wasted a year of his career.

[asdfjkl]

With Daffy Duck and without Tyson Fury I expect this to be a lot harder to sell compared to the other way around.