When will Tyson Fury no longer be Ring Magazine heavyweight champion?

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When will Tyson Fury no longer be Ring Magazine heavyweight champion?

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There are seven possibilities in which a Ring Magazine champion can lose his belt. I will list three of them.

The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
Fury has not fought since 11/28/2015. He had a rematch scheduled against Wladimir Klitschko twice, but both were cancelled. He had a rematch scheduled for 7/9/2016, so 18 months has not passed yet.

The Champion does not schedule a fight with a Top-5 contender from any weight class for two years.
On 11/28/2017, it will be two years since Fury has fought anyone which is in about three months.

The Champion retires.
Tyson Fury has publicly stated twice that he retired from professional boxing.

Based on these rules, I assume that Tyson Fury will no longer be Ring Magazine heavyweight champion in December 2017. Since Ring Magazine is ignoring the rule about retirement, then they absolutely have to strip Fury of their title after 11/28/2017 which would be two years after his last fight.
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RScarf1 wrote:There are seven possibilities in which a Ring Magazine champion can lose his belt. I will list three of them.

The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
Tyson Fury has scheduled at least two rematches against Wladimir Klitschko, but they obviously failed to materialise. I think the 25th March 2018 is when Fury technically fails to meet all the criteria in order retain ownership of his Ring belt, but I guess it's their prerogative to strip him sooner if they so wish.

I believe that Andre Ward also undeservedly retained ownership of his Ring super-middleweight title for at least a couple of years due to a similar technicality, whilst the top-rated 168lb-er, Carl Froch, defeated the very best the division had to offer.
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Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:There are seven possibilities in which a Ring Magazine champion can lose his belt. I will list three of them.

The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
Tyson Fury has scheduled at least two rematches against Wladimir Klitschko, but they obviously failed to materialise. I think the 25th March 2018 is when Fury technically fails to meet all the criteria in order retain his Ring belt, but I guess it's their prerogative to strip him sooner if they so wish.
Only one of the rules has to be applied. There are seven rules and the rule about retirement can be enforced right now, but Ring chooses not to enforce it. They are supposed to follow all of the rules, but they don't. It's a BS magazine and that is why Boxing Monthly is also on the magazine racks in America even though it is a British magazine. After a two year layoff which will be in three months, they have to strip him or else their belts should be ignored by the sports news media, but unfortunately Ring Magazine is part of the media.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:
RScarf1 wrote:There are seven possibilities in which a Ring Magazine champion can lose his belt. I will list three of them.

The Champion does not schedule a fight in any weight class for 18 months.
Tyson Fury has scheduled at least two rematches against Wladimir Klitschko, but they obviously failed to materialise. I think the 25th March 2018 is when Fury technically fails to meet all the criteria in order retain his Ring belt, but I guess it's their prerogative to strip him sooner if they so wish.
Only one of the rules has to be applied. There are seven rules and the rule about retirement can be enforced right now, but Ring chooses not to enforce it. They are supposed to follow all of the rules, but they don't. It's a BS magazine and that is why Boxing Monthly is also on the magazine racks in America even though it is a British magazine. After a two year layoff which will be in three months, they have to strip him or else their belts should be ignored by the sports news media, but unfortunately Ring Magazine is part of the media.
I’m not defending the Ring’s rules, since I don’t agree with them, but they do seem to have a proven track-record of ensuring every single criterion are "technically" met prior to stripping their champions, hence the reason why I cited Andre Ward as my example. He too should have been stripped of his belt (in terms of the application of common sense), but he wasn’t.

"Here are the seven situations in which a champion can lose his belt..."

The word "can" is a synonym of "may"... and neither mean "will". A “Possibility” is not the same as a “certainty.”

It's all in the wording... :neutral:
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Enlightened-One wrote:I’m not defending the Ring’s rules, since I don’t agree with them, but they do seem to have a proven track-record of ensuring every single criterion are "technically" met prior to stripping their champions, hence the reason why I cited Andre Ward as my example. He too should have been stripped of his belt (in terms of the application of common sense), but he wasn’t.

It's all in the wording... :neutral:
They probably are considering that Fury scheduled a fight with a top 5 contender (Klitschko), so that is the date they will use instead of the date of his last fight. Not every crtiterion has to be met. Only one of the seven has to apply. One of the rules is a champion can lose his belt if he tests positive for a performance enhancing substance. Obviously, that one is not always going to be present. As you stated, the word "can" does not mean "will." Therefore, it is not mandatory. They can pick and choose what rules they want to enforce and which ones they want to ignore.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Enlightened-One wrote:I’m not defending the Ring’s rules, since I don’t agree with them, but they do seem to have a proven track-record of ensuring every single criterion are "technically" met prior to stripping their champions, hence the reason why I cited Andre Ward as my example. He too should have been stripped of his belt (in terms of the application of common sense), but he wasn’t.

It's all in the wording... :neutral:
Only one of the seven has to apply.
Even if one of the seven criterion applies, it doesn't necessarily result in a champion being stripped immediately.

I personally agree with everything you're saying, but The RING are pedants and they use technicalities to justify their champions.

It frustrates me too, believe me.
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Enlightened-One wrote:I personally agree with everything you're saying, but The RING are pedants and they use technicalities to justify their champions.

It frustrates me too, believe me.
I was given two Boxing Monthly magazines from Barbara Buttrick who is one of the pioneers in women's boxing. She visits England sometimes and that is where she is from, but she lives in Florida now. I was very impressed with that magazine. A few months later, I went to Barnes and Noble bookstore and saw the new Boxing Monthly next to Ring Magazine and I never have seen it in the bookstores or magazine/newspaper shops before. It used to be not available in America, at least where I live. The focus of the magazine is on British boxing, but there is a lot of information on boxing news for the major fights in the world.
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