7th round of Jezzamundo's dream heavyweight tournament

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 01 Apr 2006, 03:33

Results from the 6th round are:

Ali UD12 Holmes
Louis KO7 Foreman
Marciano TKO9 Tyson
Lewis MD12 Frazier

So the points table reads:

1. Louis 18 points
2. Ali 10 points
2. Holmes 4 points
4. Foreman 0 points
5. Marciano -6 points
5. Lewis -6 points
7. Frazier -8 points
8. Tyson -12 points

The next round of fights are:

Ali vs Louis
Holmes vs Tyson
Foreman vs Frazier
Marciano vs Lewis

Remember, this is a premier league style event and not a knockout competition. Once all fighters have fought each other twice the tournament is over and the fighter with the most points is the ultimate champion! Fights are 12 rounds, not 15, and fighters use 10 ounce gloves (not that I think that would make a real difference to any of the fights). For those who didn't read the first topic, these are 7 of my top 8 all-time heavies, I rate Tyson 12th from memory, but I found him just too interesting a fighter to leave out. The points system is as such:
KO win = 3 points
Decision win = 1 point
Draw = 0
Decision loss = -1 point
KO loss = -3 points

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 01 Apr 2006, 10:57

Ali KO 6 Louis
Holmes WUD Tyson
Foreman KO 4 Frazier
Lewis KO 3 Marciano

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Apr 2006, 12:39

Ali vs Louis LSD 12 (I pick the upset)
Holmes vs Tyson TKO 8 (peak Holmes, that is)
Foreman vs Frazier KO2 (this fight acutally happened twice - George had Frazier's number)
Marciano vs Lewis LUD 12 (but this one is to pick - size, styles, all is so different. The pick is based on the guess that peak Lewis' defense would have held against Rocky, and that his jab would have decided the fight)

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 01 Apr 2006, 12:41

Btw, I don't like the socring system. A lopsided decision is just as good as a knockout and sometimes even better. Giving 3:1 points for a knockout is simply misguided and, btw, biases the tourney towards sluggers like Foreman.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Apr 2006, 23:37

Seamus wrote:Ali KO 6 Louis
Holmes WUD Tyson
Foreman KO 4 Frazier
Lewis KO 3 Marciano

no way frazier or marciano go down for the 10 count

ali KO 6 joe louis?

please louis had too good of a chin, defense, heart, recup powers to get knocked out by ali

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Apr 2006, 23:39

Louis TKO 13 Ali
Tyson TKO 4 Holmes
Foreman TKO 4 Frazier
Marciano KO 6 Lewis

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 02 Apr 2006, 00:53

Ali TKO14 Louis
Tyson KO6 Holmes
Foreman TKO 5 Frazier
Lewis SD Marciano

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Apr 2006, 01:28

ali will not stop joe louis

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 02 Apr 2006, 01:32

Ali TKO 12 Louis

Holmes TKO Tyson 12

Foreman TKO Frazier 5

Marciano Lewis Draw

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:14

HeadBasher wrote:Ali KO Louis 1

Tyson KO Holmes 1

Foreman KO Frazier 1

Lewis KO Marcian 1

pass the crack pipe son

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:16

He's just young and full of enthusiasm I suspect.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:21

Btw, I don't like the socring system. A lopsided decision is just as good as a knockout and sometimes even better. Giving 3:1 points for a knockout is simply misguided and, btw, biases the tourney towards sluggers like Foreman.

Actually, I don't like the scoring system either, but I did not come up with it myself. Someone else came up with the idea of the format and scoring system of the tournament, and just asked people to name the 8 fighters they would have participate in the tournament. I liked the idea so much that I decided to make one happen and have people vote for the results. When the tournament is over, I will not just display the final points standings, but also the number of wins, losses, draws, ko's etc. I then plan to come up with a better system to rank the fighters, giving ko's only a slight advantage over UD wins.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:25

HeadBasher wrote:
Ali KO Louis 1

Tyson KO Holmes 1

Foreman KO Frazier 1

Lewis KO Marcian 1

pass the crack pipe son

I agree. I would like the people who have placed their votes to make a further vote on whether these tips are omitted from the count.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:26

Jezzamundo

Just curious, but if I have Foreman by KO 4 over Tyson, and someone else has Tyson by KO 5, what is your mean average ?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:29

censor a vote? fine with me. But where does it end?

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:30

Generally there is more than just two people going for a ko result to one fighter, but in that circumstance, I would round it up to KO5. Not that it matters in the scoring though.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:33

censor a vote? fine with me. But where does it end?

I know what you mean. It's a pretty difficult issue, so I'm not going to make a vote either way.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:34

if you notice his post seems to have dissapeared somehow.....dilemna solved.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 02 Apr 2006, 02:35

Jezzamundo

I meant if I have Foreman by KO 4, and someone else has Tyson winning by KO 5, how does it avg out.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 02 Apr 2006, 03:41

jezzamundo wrote:
Btw, I don't like the socring system. A lopsided decision is just as good as a knockout and sometimes even better. Giving 3:1 points for a knockout is simply misguided and, btw, biases the tourney towards sluggers like Foreman.
Actually, I don't like the scoring system either, but I did not come up with it myself. Someone else came up with the idea of the format and scoring system of the tournament, and just asked people to name the 8 fighters they would have participate in the tournament. I liked the idea so much that I decided to make one happen and have people vote for the results. When the tournament is over, I will not just display the final points standings, but also the number of wins, losses, draws, ko's etc. I then plan to come up with a better system to rank the fighters, giving ko's only a slight advantage over UD wins.

OK

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jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 02 Apr 2006, 21:19

Jezzamundo

I meant if I have Foreman by KO 4, and someone else has Tyson winning by KO 5, how does it avg out.

Well, so far there has been no scenario of fighter receiving an equal number of votes, but in that case it would be a draw, no matter what rounds were posted.

However, lets say that 4 people voted for Foreman and 2 voted for Tyson:
Foreman KO8
Foreman KO5
Foreman TKO 4
Foreman UD
Tyson KO9
Tyson KO3

Foreman has the most votes so he wins the fight. KO was the most popular result for a Foreman win, so that is the official result, so only those who voted for a Foreman stoppage are now counted, the average number of rounds being just 5 2/3, so the result is Foreman KO6. Fortunately I have not yet encountered a fight where stoppage and decision wins for the winning fighter had equal votes, because I have not yet decided how I would handle this.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 03 Apr 2006, 01:29

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:ali will not stop joe louis

why not? he did stop joe frazier & george foreman, and louis did get stopped by schmelling

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 03 Apr 2006, 01:52

no, but he would eat ali's stinging jab all night
ali also had a nice uppercut and threw some good fast hooks

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Apr 2006, 06:08

Ali WMD 12 Louis
Holmes WTKO 12 Tyson
Foreman WTKO 5 Frazier
Lewis WUD 12 Marciano (very close, Rocky taking over late on and would have won over 15)

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 03 Apr 2006, 06:11

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: Tyson TKO 4 Holmes

Hang on, peak Holmes lasts just 1 more round than the old man with 3 weeks training???

You're saying that no way does Louis get stopped but Holmes gets stopped in 4? I'd say Holmes had the better defence and chin out of him and Louis.

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