Boxing fans for Floyd

Who do you want to win?

I want Floyd to win
43
83%
I want Conor to win
9
17%
 
Total votes: 52

Ricky_
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by Ricky_ »

thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote: Apart from the heavyweights of the 70's and the fab 4 who else has beaten a prime all time great? So what your saying ricky is floyd isnt all that?

Floyd's a great fighter without question but his resume is lacking for a fighter that claims to be TBE. Ward faught a prime Kovalev twice - that's more than be said for Floyd, he never faced a single elite fighter in their prime at their comfortable weight. Catchweighting Canelo really took the biscuit.
He fought ricky hatton in his prime,coralles in his prime and undefeated,castillo twice in his prime. Most of the fighters he fought from first winning a world title were world champs or former world champs or went on to be world champs or fight for a world title, JMM went on to fight pacman and beat him,hatton won the ibf belt back,cotto went onto win the wbc middle weight title,coralles went onto be lightweight champ,berto went on to fight for the title,canelo won wbc and wbo middleweight and light middle weight title pacman won the wbo ww belt and so on and so on,floyd is obviously gonna claim to be the best but as a fan of boxing we cannot deny he is at least in the top 10 p4p list best ever?
Hatton was never a welterweight, and probably not an ATG.

He lost to Castillo, and again, probably not an ATG.

Cotto, nobody would agree was in his prime. Canelo... too green and weight drained. Marquez fat and jumped 2 weightclasses.

Morales beat a prime Pacquaio. Ward beat a prime Kovalev. Floyd simply doesn't have a "great" win.
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:

Floyd's a great fighter without question but his resume is lacking for a fighter that claims to be TBE. Ward faught a prime Kovalev twice - that's more than be said for Floyd, he never faced a single elite fighter in their prime at their comfortable weight. Catchweighting Canelo really took the biscuit.
He fought ricky hatton in his prime,coralles in his prime and undefeated,castillo twice in his prime. Most of the fighters he fought from first winning a world title were world champs or former world champs or went on to be world champs or fight for a world title, JMM went on to fight pacman and beat him,hatton won the ibf belt back,cotto went onto win the wbc middle weight title,coralles went onto be lightweight champ,berto went on to fight for the title,canelo won wbc and wbo middleweight and light middle weight title pacman won the wbo ww belt and so on and so on,floyd is obviously gonna claim to be the best but as a fan of boxing we cannot deny he is at least in the top 10 p4p list best ever?
Hatton was never a welterweight, and probably not an ATG.

He lost to Castillo, and again, probably not an ATG.

Cotto, nobody would agree was in his prime. Canelo... too green and weight drained. Marquez fat and jumped 2 weightclasses.

Morales beat a prime Pacquaio. Ward beat a prime Kovalev. Floyd simply doesn't have a "great" win.
Canelo was a world champion and hatton was a ww world champ too,you sound like your not giving gloyd any credit for anything so we will agree to disagree and record shows may beat castillo twice
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by Tarkus »

SAPFO wrote:McGregor has really divided Boxrec ain't he? So many sore people on here. Just enjoy the fight. Its gonna go the way you want don't worry.
Sorry but it is you who sounds sore. People dont like McGregor and for a very good reason I might add. It is you getting upset that we dont share your love for the man. Even weirdly posting that useless video around.

I dont think MacGregor is a bad man or even a worse man then Mayweather but he does come across as a prick. You come in to this sport you need to respect its rules and other boxers.

One think I did love about Conor though was when he trashed that weasel Espinoza. :clap:
Ricky_
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by Ricky_ »

thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote: He fought ricky hatton in his prime,coralles in his prime and undefeated,castillo twice in his prime. Most of the fighters he fought from first winning a world title were world champs or former world champs or went on to be world champs or fight for a world title, JMM went on to fight pacman and beat him,hatton won the ibf belt back,cotto went onto win the wbc middle weight title,coralles went onto be lightweight champ,berto went on to fight for the title,canelo won wbc and wbo middleweight and light middle weight title pacman won the wbo ww belt and so on and so on,floyd is obviously gonna claim to be the best but as a fan of boxing we cannot deny he is at least in the top 10 p4p list best ever?
Hatton was never a welterweight, and probably not an ATG.

He lost to Castillo, and again, probably not an ATG.

Cotto, nobody would agree was in his prime. Canelo... too green and weight drained. Marquez fat and jumped 2 weightclasses.

Morales beat a prime Pacquaio. Ward beat a prime Kovalev. Floyd simply doesn't have a "great" win.
Canelo was a world champion and hatton was a ww world champ too,you sound like your not giving gloyd any credit for anything so we will agree to disagree and record shows may beat castillo twice

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
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Post by TheGman »

Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
Hatton was never a welterweight, and probably not an ATG.

He lost to Castillo, and again, probably not an ATG.

Cotto, nobody would agree was in his prime. Canelo... too green and weight drained. Marquez fat and jumped 2 weightclasses.

Morales beat a prime Pacquaio. Ward beat a prime Kovalev. Floyd simply doesn't have a "great" win.
Canelo was a world champion and hatton was a ww world champ too,you sound like your not giving gloyd any credit for anything so we will agree to disagree and record shows may beat castillo twice

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote: Canelo was a world champion and hatton was a ww world champ too,you sound like your not giving gloyd any credit for anything so we will agree to disagree and record shows may beat castillo twice

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
And please dont say pacman cause we all know he was on juice from the diaz fight right through till about the 1st bradley fight if he wasnt hiw come he stopped knocked ppl out when everyone had to be olympic styled drug tested,plus all the catch weights he done
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

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thechump wrote:
hatton won the ibf belt back,
No he didn't.

Just saying :oops:
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by samwbr »

thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote: Canelo was a world champion and hatton was a ww world champ too,you sound like your not giving gloyd any credit for anything so we will agree to disagree and record shows may beat castillo twice

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
Only fight that was contentious was Castillo 1 imo. He beat Oscar fair and square
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by Ricky_ »

thechump wrote:
thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
And please dont say pacman cause we all know he was on juice from the diaz fight right through till about the 1st bradley fight if he wasnt hiw come he stopped knocked ppl out when everyone had to be olympic styled drug tested,plus all the catch weights he done
Pacquaio.
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by KiwiRider »

samwbr wrote:
thechump wrote:
He applied and was granted it,this isnt a banned substance its an act that you have to apply for and under the nsac its legal so again prove to me that floyd is on the juice please? Or are u clutching at straws?
I never said he was juiced. The reports show that he was in contravention of the regulations and he applied retrospectively. It casts doubt. Pacquiao being denied his request was strange.

I'm ambivalent about Mayweather, always have been. 'Haters' is just reductive childish nonsense.
It's the fact that they were not allowed to test what was in the bag, nor take the required blood sample at the time- by Floyd's team says it all. Think how long Lance Armstrong got away with cheating and then think about the power Floyd has...
There have also been as allegations by other people in his camp, and disgruntled women over the years that have quickly and quietly been pushed under the rug. Money talks. Calling him the cleanest boxer in the sport is one opinion, it's just not mine.
Anyone who can manipulate law enforcement can manipulate boxing officials.
"How much does it cost to pay off a judge?"
"How much is a cup of coffee?"
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SAPFO wrote:McGregor has really divided Boxrec ain't he? So many sore people on here. Just enjoy the fight. Its gonna go the way you want don't worry.
I'd say he's united boxing fans if anything. You seem more worked up than most....
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crusader wrote:Incidentally, there is currently a 47-0 boxer from Thailand. He could troll Floyd big time :lol:
Moved to 48-0 yesterday!
TheGman
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

tobyh5 wrote:
thechump wrote:
hatton won the ibf belt back,
No he didn't.

Just saying :oops:
Yes he did he beat paulie for it in manchester
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

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samwbr wrote:
thechump wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:

He gets credit but on the subject of his resume - which you said was the best ever - it lacks a truly great win over a prime ATG.
Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
Only fight that was contentious was Castillo 1 imo. He beat Oscar fair and square
So he shouldnt of been DQed against judah for rodger getting in the ring mid round? ODLH in my opinion won the fight,they gave mayweather round 10 in that fight and mayweather didnt even throw a punch so DLH was never gonna get the nod there
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

KiwiRider wrote:
samwbr wrote:
thechump wrote: He applied and was granted it,this isnt a banned substance its an act that you have to apply for and under the nsac its legal so again prove to me that floyd is on the juice please? Or are u clutching at straws?
I never said he was juiced. The reports show that he was in contravention of the regulations and he applied retrospectively. It casts doubt. Pacquiao being denied his request was strange.

I'm ambivalent about Mayweather, always have been. 'Haters' is just reductive childish nonsense.
It's the fact that they were not allowed to test what was in the bag, nor take the required blood sample at the time- by Floyd's team says it all. Think how long Lance Armstrong got away with cheating and then think about the power Floyd has...
There have also been as allegations by other people in his camp, and disgruntled women over the years that have quickly and quietly been pushed under the rug. Money talks. Calling him the cleanest boxer in the sport is one opinion, it's just not mine.
Anyone who can manipulate law enforcement can manipulate boxing officials.
"How much does it cost to pay off a judge?"
"How much is a cup of coffee?"
Mohammad Ali.
You said he was on steroids,why would the guy ,who started all the olympic style drug testing for all boxers to come into effect, take steroids? show me proof or keep your own lies to yourself,he isnt lance armstrong he is floyd mayweather,how can you cheat a system when the testers come to your home and gym at all times of the day/night unannounced? You are a lyer and shouldnt go around spreading vicious rumours like that with absolutley no proof
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

Ricky_ wrote:
thechump wrote:
thechump wrote: Name a better resume than his then its easy,if i thought there was someone out there with a better record as in consistant names on their record id post the name,and btw im not a fan of floyd at all i think he lost against DLH,judah and castillo 1,i also thought cotto gave him a good run and it should of been closer than the judges had it especially if canelo won one judges card against him. Ill wait for the name of the fighter with the better record for boxers faced tho ricky :TU:
And please dont say pacman cause we all know he was on juice from the diaz fight right through till about the 1st bradley fight if he wasnt hiw come he stopped knocked ppl out when everyone had to be olympic styled drug tested,plus all the catch weights he done
Pacquaio.
Seriously?????
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by TheGman »

tobyh5 wrote:
thechump wrote:
hatton won the ibf belt back,
No he didn't.

Just saying :oops:
I stand corrected,paulie dropped the belt to fight hatton
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

Post by Wales »

samwbr wrote:
SAPFO wrote:He's the ultimate rags to riches fighter. He's admitted the talk is just a show, but the thing is in MMA he has backed it up.

If any of you haters of McGregor take the time to watch the short video, you would see he ain't all that bad a person.
He's hardly manny pacquiao or any number of fighters who have come from levels of poverty that McGregor could barely begin to imagine.
Exactly

Ultimate rags to riches, not quite
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

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Mayweather has enough names to be an all-timer, comfortably, just not in the right years. DLH, Pac and Mosley were all far removed from their primes, and I'd have liked to have seen a Forrest, Williams, Martinez or Lara in there. Among others. Right now, it's Crawford and Thurman.
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TheCobra wrote:Don't like either of them, it's all a bit horrible to watch. Two brash talking men milking the public for money. It's just a big panto, not really arsed who wins but yeh Floyd just to prove the point and silence the boxing-hating meatheads would probably be preferable.

That's how I saw it too.

WWE was more believable than that fight.

There was only ever going to be one outcome.
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Re: Boxing fans for Floyd

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Grilling Machine wrote:Mayweather has enough names to be an all-timer, comfortably, just not in the right years. DLH, Pac and Mosley were all far removed from their primes, and I'd have liked to have seen a Forrest, Williams, Martinez or Lara in there. Among others. Right now, it's Crawford and Thurman.
Mayweather was calling out mosley 8 years prior to them fighting and mosley didnt want any part of it cause he was top of the tree then but when mayweather becomes the top draw in boxing everyone wanted a part of him.
Mayweather wanted de la hoya 2/3 years prior to their fight too but bob arum said no so mayweather bought himself out of his contract and made the fight with de la hoya at de la hoyas weight wearing 10 oz pillows on his hands.
Pacman wouldnt agree to a steroid test so that wasnt floyds fault either and its funny that since floyd made a big deal about pacman knocking people out who were bigger than him he hasnt knocked anyone out. Call it what you will but ill call him a cheat,you dont struggle with morales 1 min at 135lb then move through division knocking diaz,DLH,Hatton and Cotto out then make joahua clottey and margarito look ordinary,he nearly ended margarito's career he gave him that much of a beating. Since then he cant even knock a guy out in jeff horn that no one in the boxing world knows apart from his close friends and family. Couldnt knock out chris algeri who isnt a puncher and was knockwd down 7 times in the fight. Couldnt knock out tim bradley either who a slow provodnikov gave him nightmares. Pacman was on the peds and i dont blame mayweather for waiting to make sure pacman was clean. For me pacman was the reason the fight took 5 years to make not floyd.
Yes mayweather should of fought williams martinez and forest but we dont know the reasons why they didnt happen we just presume it was down to floyd.
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Why didn't Floyd knock anyone out for 10 years?
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Post by TheGman »

samwbr wrote:Why didn't Floyd knock anyone out for 10 years?
Bacause it isnt his style to knock people out he is a defensive counter puncher,when he moved through the divisions it was harder to knock bigger men out which is why he questioned pacman doing exactly that. Plus as he has gotten older his hands have become brittle. He couldnt knock out JMM but then again neither could a juiced up pacman
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