May-Mac performances/efficiency of each boxer...

[imaioral]

This is an open topic of opinions about each boxer performance... Tell yours.

Jezz. After watching this "spectacle" I realized some things:

Both fighters seemed to have talked too much and trained much less than necessary, especially Floyd, whom for me underestimated Connor and probably trained the superficial for this fight.

It is the first time I see Floyd fighting with nothing more than 30% of his entire skills... I Imagined his strategy to tire McGregor for at least 6 rounds to then use his skills more comfortably to KO him out, but it wasn't too easy. It was a bit laborious and shameful. He seemed not finding himself in the fight, he rarely used his superb Philly shell defense, his footwork was poor, some of his counter-punches were inaccurate, used less jabs than normal, worked below average on defense and dodging on ropes, thrown some inaccurate and clumsy punches. All of this summed with a total clumsy style never worthy of an always very well trained Floyd Mayweather. Finally, he showed a C class skill fighter in this fight and was lucky because MacGregor did have enough cardio resistance for 12 rounds, otherwise could lose by points.

On the other hand, McGregor wasnt sublime, but seem have trained more then Floyd and definitely gave trouble to him showing a bit more focus. He never showed more then a C class boxer skills, but was enough to shake Floyd sometimes. He showed an ankward style with a terrible footwork and posisioning, total lack of defense (even in ropes) but had good reflexes, average chin, jab, counter-punches and power punches for a debut boxer coming from MMA vs a legend poorly trained and/or rusty. Showed many mma conditioned behaviours (such as hitting in the nape, from the back, hitting as "smashing tomatos") that could easily lost 2 to 3 points in the fight. His sin was not having enough cardio resistance for 12 rounds otherwise could win on points.

My final scorecard was 87-84 Mayweather.

... " 50-0 " ... (I'm not being sarcastic, only making reference to those who filled YouTube with "49-1").

[Enlightened-One]

How can you say that Mayweather's performance was "laborious and shameful", when it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't even trying?

How can you criticise Floyd's fitness levels when he never attempted or was even forced to compete at a fast pace? He obviously coasted and carried McGregor, hence the laughing, winking, smiling and talking to those sitting ringside.

How could you criticise Floyd's lack of skills, when he never needed to use them against an offensively ineffective and defensively irresponsible opponent that allowed Mayweather to adopt a fighting style that was the polar opposite to how we've seen him compete for the last two decades, whilst still dominating his UFC foe?

[imaioral]

How can you say that Mayweather's performance was "laborious and shameful", when it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't even trying?

How can you criticise Floyd's fitness levels when he never attempted or was even forced to compete at a fast pace? He obviously coasted and carried McGregor, hence the laughing, winking, smiling and talking to those sitting ringside.

How could you criticise Floyd's lack of skills, when he never needed to use them against an offensively ineffective and defensively irresponsible opponent that allowed Mayweather to adopt a fighting style that was the polar opposite to how we've seen him compete for the last two decades, whilst still dominating his UFC foe?

I like and follow Mayweather since his fight vs Genaro Hernandez. Against facts, there are no arguments mate, accept it. Mayweather showed a poor boxing and period, that's the true (even Al Bernstein told several times "that is not Mayweather"), ask everybody. He told that he would KO McGregor in 2 to 6 rounds, do this and that and was quite suffering to land decent hits against an average evasive newbie. He was far from showing superiority as did vs JMM with superb dodging, defense, counter-punching and etc.

[Enlightened-One]

How can you say that Mayweather's performance was "laborious and shameful", when it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't even trying?

How can you criticise Floyd's fitness levels when he never attempted or was even forced to compete at a fast pace? He obviously coasted and carried McGregor, hence the laughing, winking, smiling and talking to those sitting ringside.

How could you criticise Floyd's lack of skills, when he never needed to use them against an offensively ineffective and defensively irresponsible opponent that allowed Mayweather to adopt a fighting style that was the polar opposite to how we've seen him compete for the last two decades, whilst still dominating his UFC foe?

I like and follow Mayweather since his fight vs Genaro Hernandez. Against facts, there are no arguments mate, accept it. Mayweather showed a poor boxing and period, that's the true (even Al Bernstein told several times "that is not Mayweather"), ask everybody. He told that he would KO McGregor in 2 to 6 rounds, do this and that and was quite suffering to land decent hits against an average evasive newbie. He was far from showing superiority as did vs JMM with superb dodging, defense, counter-punching and etc.

I'm not claiming that Floyd fought well.

I am saying that he didn't even try. He definitely didn't do his best.

He defeated McGregor with consumate ease.

No one is able to question Floyd's fitness or skill levels, when all he did was to participate in a glorified sparring session, where he simply toyed with a novice.

You can't learn or deduce anything about a fighter's capabilities in that sort of situation.

[paddy chavez]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

[lazboy]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

Agree.

[Covfefe]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

I'm sure a 40 year old Mayweather would struggle with prime top level boxers.

[paddy chavez]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

I'm sure a 40 year old Mayweather would struggle with prime top level boxers.

I think it's more the time away from the gym as much as his age,he looked good Vs berto 2years ago at 38 but tonight he took a few shots he wouldn't normally of taken .I guess we all get old

[Badhusker]

How can you say that Mayweather's performance was "laborious and shameful", when it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't even trying?

How can you criticise Floyd's fitness levels when he never attempted or was even forced to compete at a fast pace? He obviously coasted and carried McGregor, hence the laughing, winking, smiling and talking to those sitting ringside.

How could you criticise Floyd's lack of skills, when he never needed to use them against an offensively ineffective and defensively irresponsible opponent that allowed Mayweather to adopt a fighting style that was the polar opposite to how we've seen him compete for the last two decades, whilst still dominating his UFC foe?

Simply put, Floyd's performance was laborious and shameful because he wasn't serious and trying his best. Pathetic to watch, and I was a big Floyd fan. Glad its done, and hope he goes away into real retirement now.

[Enlightened-One]

How can you say that Mayweather's performance was "laborious and shameful", when it was blatantly obvious that he wasn't even trying?

How can you criticise Floyd's fitness levels when he never attempted or was even forced to compete at a fast pace? He obviously coasted and carried McGregor, hence the laughing, winking, smiling and talking to those sitting ringside.

How could you criticise Floyd's lack of skills, when he never needed to use them against an offensively ineffective and defensively irresponsible opponent that allowed Mayweather to adopt a fighting style that was the polar opposite to how we've seen him compete for the last two decades, whilst still dominating his UFC foe?

Simply put, Floyd's performance was laborious and shameful because he wasn't serious and trying his best. Pathetic to watch, and I was a big Floyd fan. Glad its done, and hope he goes away into real retirement now.

I understand what you're saying, but my original response was in the context of someone accusing Floyd of having depleted fitness levels, coupled with an apparent loss of skills, which they claim was the reason for Mayweather's "laborious and shameful" performance... whereas I was arguing that Floyd wasn't even trying.

So we essentially agree.

[ThatOne]

How much of Money's performance can we attribute to the fact Money is forty and coming off a two year layoff ?

The difference between getting hit and not getting hit and hitting and missing can be measured in milliseconds.

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This 'fight' is not worthy of such intricate analysis.

It was WWE at best & an exhibition at worst, that's all it was.

Judging either man on the basis of this fight is futile & serves no purpose at all.

Just take the fight at face value; a vehicle for Mayweather & McGregor to make shed loads of money & that's it.

[paddy chavez]

This 'fight' is not worthy of such intricate analysis.

It was WWE at best & an exhibition at worst, that's all it was.

Judging either man on the basis of this fight is futile & serves no purpose at all.

Just take the fight at face value; a vehicle for Mayweather & McGregor to make shed loads of money & that's it.

Do you not think both fighters tried to win ?

[Syntax Error]

This 'fight' is not worthy of such intricate analysis.

It was WWE at best & an exhibition at worst, that's all it was.

Judging either man on the basis of this fight is futile & serves no purpose at all.

Just take the fight at face value; a vehicle for Mayweather & McGregor to make shed loads of money & that's it.

Do you not think both fighters tried to win ?

I do think both tried to win, but there was only ever going to be one winner.

If I went into the ring with Mayweather, I'd try to win too, but he'd beat me without breaking sweat because I don't belong in the ring with him.

[USMCer]

Mayweather deserves the distinction of owning the "50-0" record.
Floyd had the gameplan, and it worked.

McGregor wins even when he loses.
Conor put on an admirable performance. He tried to match Floyd, take it to the 12th, but it was the wrong strategy. His window was in the early rounds, and never really tried to jump through.

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Mayweather deserves the distinction of owning the "50-0" record.
Floyd had the gameplan, and it worked.

McGregor wins even when he loses.
Conor put on an admirable performance. He tried to match Floyd, take it to the 12th, but it was the wrong strategy. His window was in the early rounds, and never really tried to jump through.

McGregor never had a window of opportunity.

He didn't belong in the ring with Mayweather & Floyd could have finished him inside 3 if he wanted to.

[caldo2025]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

I'm not really sure who you are paddy chavez but this opinion makes me question your boxing iq.

There was zero risk in this fight for Floyd. He could have knocked Conor out at any point in the fight but instead, he was smart. He gave Conor moments and pleased fans by making the fight entertaining. The bottom line is that MOST people called the fight "entertaining" and worth the money and Floyd got the knockout in the end. Those were the only 2 things Floyd wanted to do in this fight. Had he blown the doors off him early, he's never hear the end of it. Genius is what it was. Absolute genius.

[FastestHandsInThewest]

I'll start with Mayweather. I was impressed with his masterful performance. He didn't say what he was going to do from the get go until Mcgregor was starting to slow down. Then he showed that he was faster than Mcgregor outlanding the Irishman despite being in his 40s while Mcgregor is 29. If Mcgregor knew how to box this could have been a different story. Mayweather played his game plan perfectly beating the shit out of Mcgregor when he couldn't lift his arms anymore and finished it. Mayweather also did a great job keeping his composure and taking those power punches to the chin and body was truly impressive. Although he showed great skills in the ring it's evident his age has caught up to him, he knows damn well he can't risk throwing hands with the younger top contenders, any chance for a loss won't be taken. So he chose what he thought would be easy and also makes the most money. Cherry picking at its finest.

Now with Mcgregor I actually felt embarrassed for him. When he opened up in a karate stance I couldn't help laugh out loud lol. Shit looked ridiculous like he had never boxed before. His punches were inaccurate, and those hammer fists? Trash. Despite being a total novice at boxing he was hitting Mayweather hard and landed the second most anyone has ever landed on Mayweather. Still it was a poor performance, he tired out and in all honesty he did worst than I expected. Obviously boxing is something he will now avoid altogether. He ate his own words.

[paddy chavez]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

I'm not really sure who you are paddy chavez but this opinion makes me question your boxing iq.

There was zero risk in this fight for Floyd. He could have knocked Conor out at any point in the fight but instead, he was smart. He gave Conor moments and pleased fans by making the fight entertaining. The bottom line is that MOST people called the fight "entertaining" and worth the money and Floyd got the knockout in the end. Those were the only 2 things Floyd wanted to do in this fight. Had he blown the doors off him early, he's never hear the end of it. Genius is what it was. Absolute genius.

Who the f@ck are you to question my boxing IQ you're just some self-righteous keyboard warrior ,I stand by what I said Floyd looked rusty and McGregor had a bit of success in the first couple of RDS,

[caldo2025]

McGregor was better than most believed he was using his reach and Floyd looked 40 , McGregor probably comes out of this with his rep enhanced in many ways he boxed better than I thought but on the negative he didn't have much power either . I thought it was a slightly risky strategy by Floyd as he took more shots than he has before and gave away the first 3 RDS . We'll never know but I think Floyd tonight would of had trouble with top guys like Crawford, Spence or Thurman as his timing was off .

I'm not really sure who you are paddy chavez but this opinion makes me question your boxing iq.

There was zero risk in this fight for Floyd. He could have knocked Conor out at any point in the fight but instead, he was smart. He gave Conor moments and pleased fans by making the fight entertaining. The bottom line is that MOST people called the fight "entertaining" and worth the money and Floyd got the knockout in the end. Those were the only 2 things Floyd wanted to do in this fight. Had he blown the doors off him early, he's never hear the end of it. Genius is what it was. Absolute genius.

Who the f@ck are you to question my boxing IQ you're just some self-righteous keyboard warrior ,I stand by what I said Floyd looked rusty and McGregor had a bit of success in the first couple of RDS,

NO way..a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years looked "rusty", Paddy? OMG..why didn't you call ESPN with that golden nugget? What a jackass.

[paddy chavez]

I'm not really sure who you are paddy chavez but this opinion makes me question your boxing iq.

There was zero risk in this fight for Floyd. He could have knocked Conor out at any point in the fight but instead, he was smart. He gave Conor moments and pleased fans by making the fight entertaining. The bottom line is that MOST people called the fight "entertaining" and worth the money and Floyd got the knockout in the end. Those were the only 2 things Floyd wanted to do in this fight. Had he blown the doors off him early, he's never hear the end of it. Genius is what it was. Absolute genius.

Who the f@ck are you to question my boxing IQ you're just some self-righteous keyboard warrior ,I stand by what I said Floyd looked rusty and McGregor had a bit of success in the first couple of RDS,

NO way..a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years looked "rusty", Paddy? OMG..why didn't you call ESPN with that golden nugget? What a jackass.

This is like arguing with a toddler why don't you go back into your hole oil yourself up while wanking off to Floyd pictures with your thumb up your arse dreaming it was Floyd's......what a tosser ..

[caldo2025]

Who the f@ck are you to question my boxing IQ you're just some self-righteous keyboard warrior ,I stand by what I said Floyd looked rusty and McGregor had a bit of success in the first couple of RDS,

NO way..a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years looked "rusty", Paddy? OMG..why didn't you call ESPN with that golden nugget? What a jackass.

This is like arguing with a toddler why don't you go back into your hole oil yourself up while wanking off to Floyd pictures with your thumb up your arse dreaming it was Floyd's......what a tosser ..

No please talk to me. I want to be present for your next big shocking awesome post announcement like "ice is cold" or "under water fire prevention" you know, big shockers like that. Dope.

[paddy chavez]

NO way..a 40 year old boxer who hasn't fought in 2 years looked "rusty", Paddy? OMG..why didn't you call ESPN with that golden nugget? What a jackass.

This is like arguing with a toddler why don't you go back into your hole oil yourself up while wanking off to Floyd pictures with your thumb up your arse dreaming it was Floyd's......what a tosser ..

No please talk to me. I want to be present for your next big shocking awesome post announcement like "ice is cold" or "under water fire prevention" you know, big shockers like that. Dope.

You know what I have more important things in my life than to waste my time arguing with deadbeat like yourself have a good day sir .

[caldo2025]

This is like arguing with a toddler why don't you go back into your hole oil yourself up while wanking off to Floyd pictures with your thumb up your arse dreaming it was Floyd's......what a tosser ..

No please talk to me. I want to be present for your next big shocking awesome post announcement like "ice is cold" or "under water fire prevention" you know, big shockers like that. Dope.

You know what I have more important things in my life than to waste my time arguing with deadbeat like yourself have a good day sir .

You too, Buddy. All in good fun man. Have a good one.

[imaioral]

There are some cases of boxers who stayed long periods without fighting and/or retired, who had superb comebacks, sometimes coming amazingly well, sometimes rusty.

- After 4 straight losses, being the last against David Diaz, Erik Morales retired and came back after almost 3 years and won relatively easily vs Jose Alfaro (at almost 35 years old) and almost became world champion again in a few years.

- When Larry Homes came out of a retirement of almost 2 years to face Mike Tyson (in 1989, then at 39) and he was as rusty as Mayweather facing McGregor, but in that case he lost. Then he stayed away from ring from another almost 3,5 years, came back and won all until face undefeated-undisputed Evander Holyfield in 92 (at 44 years of age at the time) and losing for very close points.

- George Foreman is an example of somebody who stayed 10 years retired (after losing to Jimmy Young) and came back (at the time, 38 years old) winning 24 straight bouts in almost 4 years (half were average quality opponents) to then face, at the time and with 42 years old, the undisputed-undefeated Evander Holyfield in his prime and lose on close points.

- Benny Leonard is a big of a case of retired boxer (January 15, 1925) who (even winning his last fight) came back after 7 years (by then 35 years old) and won all of his 20 subsequent bouts in 2 years, until his last, whom he lost by TKO.

- Vitali Klitschko, even after winning Danny Williams in 04 (at 34), stayed away for nearly 4 years, coming back in 08 (at 38) and becoming world champion again in 1 year without any loss and retiring not losing again.


* - Mayweather was like Mosley when he came out of retirement to face Ricardo Mayorga in 2015, with 44 years of age at the time of the fight.


I don't change the opinion that Mayweather was rusty (30% of him, not because he didn't want it, because he couldn't do more than it), for somebody who always impressed for having superb reflexes, reaction time, dodging, counter-punching, using combination and etc (as an example vs Ruan Manuel Marques and Saul Alvarez). As I said before, I like and follow Mayweather since his fight vs Genaro Hernandez. But in this case, against the facts, there are no arguments, we all saw that and must accept that McGregor did ok for the much worse that we all imagined/expected and Mayweather the strategically ok to win.

So I think that ppl should cry less, it is a question of who trained more than the other, the age and inactivity weights, but one can revert or slow it down if trains hard, conditioning the body, skills and mind well.