JCS wrote:Let's be real... Mayweather was shot and/or didn't take this one seriously and/or the drug testing gave us a different version.
McGregor had 20 pounds on him. I don't think Mayweather had enough size and heart left to go toe-to-toe with McGregor early in the fight and do better than 50/50. Had McGregor had more stamina, this would've been an interesting fight.
Mayweather was banking on him getting fatigued and it worked out. Having said that, Floyd from 10-12 years ago would've ended this fight in 4-5 rounds.
thomasjkelley wrote:No opinion on this thread ever shocks me. Floyd wasn't playing in those first 3 rounds. This was McGregor's first ever professional boxing match. He looked a bit unorthodox at times but that piston jab that was snapping Mayweather's head back, isn't too bad a technique. And how about that head movement? Did that look terrible? He didn't sit down on his punches and he through hammer fists. Two techniques ingrained in his muscle memory from years of MMA. How would this fight look if McGregor had 10 years of experience? And 20 professional fights? I don't remember one single person on Earth who said or thought that McGregor would even be competitive, never mind win a few rounds convincingly. The consensus was what...this was a circus? a side show? And there isn't a boxing fan on the planet who didn't think "Oh oh!" after the first 3 rds. And the saving grace was "No worries, he'll gas out, he doesn't have the stamina to go 12 rounds." Far cry from the whitewash a good 99% of boxing fans predicted.
thomasjkelley wrote:No opinion on this thread ever shocks me. Floyd wasn't playing in those first 3 rounds. This was McGregor's first ever professional boxing match. He looked a bit unorthodox at times but that piston jab that was snapping Mayweather's head back, isn't too bad a technique. And how about that head movement? Did that look terrible? He didn't sit down on his punches and he through hammer fists. Two techniques ingrained in his muscle memory from years of MMA. How would this fight look if McGregor had 10 years of experience? And 20 professional fights? I don't remember one single person on Earth who said or thought that McGregor would even be competitive, never mind win a few rounds convincingly. The consensus was what...this was a circus? a side show? And there isn't a boxing fan on the planet who didn't think "Oh oh!" after the first 3 rds. And the saving grace was "No worries, he'll gas out, he doesn't have the stamina to go 12 rounds." Far cry from the whitewash a good 99% of boxing fans predicted.
Well put
Indeed,.i agree. Floyd lost the first 8 minutes of the fight pretty convincingly against a rank amatuer coming from a different discipline. I can admit that McGregor was technically better than i had imagined.
gilgamesh wrote:
I'm someone. I scored it for Conor.
Not really a point we need to cross swords with but I'm with tiny acres on this one. Don't see how Conor took 4
For me it was like this. Conor had no business being in there. Any round Floyd didn't win very clearly was a Conor round for me. Didn't wind up mattering anyhow.
That's gotta be the hardest thing about being a judge though. Looking past the fact one fighter isn't doing as well as you thought he would and/or one fighter is doing better without letting that influence your judging.
Ossyrules wrote:
Not really a point we need to cross swords with but I'm with tiny acres on this one. Don't see how Conor took 4
For me it was like this. Conor had no business being in there. Any round Floyd didn't win very clearly was a Conor round for me. Didn't wind up mattering anyhow.
That's gotta be the hardest thing about being a judge though. Looking past the fact one fighter isn't doing as well as you thought he would and/or one fighter is doing better without letting that influence your judging.
Well, in all fairness most of the time fights aren't this ridiculous mismatched.
I call it like I see it. Conor took the 4th round in my view because it was practically even, and therefore he won it. Floyd's plan was to finish things when he started to really get going, which is pretty much what he did.
gilgamesh wrote:
For me it was like this. Conor had no business being in there. Any round Floyd didn't win very clearly was a Conor round for me. Didn't wind up mattering anyhow.
That's gotta be the hardest thing about being a judge though. Looking past the fact one fighter isn't doing as well as you thought he would and/or one fighter is doing better without letting that influence your judging.
Well, in all fairness most of the time fights aren't this ridiculous mismatched.
I call it like I see it. Conor took the 4th round in my view because it was practically even, and therefore he won it. Floyd's plan was to finish things when he started to really get going, which is pretty much what he did.
I definitely get where you're coming from. In a strange way even though he marched forward Floyds plan banking on McGregor gassing after 4(which I'm sure somewhere I predicted he would) was really almost the safest way to guarantee an easy victory.
A wee bit risky to bank on a KO victory for a guy that hasn't won by KO in 6 years, but it proved a worthwhile, and a smart strategy. He definitely would've been leaving the door open more for the potential upset if he'd been aggressive early. So yeah you're right, it was probably the smartest way to go about it.
gilgamesh wrote:A wee bit risky to bank on a KO victory for a guy that hasn't won by KO in 6 years, but it proved a worthwhile, and a smart strategy. He definitely would've been leaving the door open more for the potential upset if he'd been aggressive early. So yeah you're right, it was probably the smartest way to go about it.
I think we all knew with Conor's total lack of defence that once Floyd decided to actually start throwing he was gonna tag him consistently. I didn't expect a knockout but a stoppage similar to what it was though I thought the referee was going to let it go a bit longer.
No complaints about the stoppage though, he was done. A sustained beating could've effected the rest of his career and life.
Edit to add: Conor's straight up stance with his chin the air also make a ref stoppage more likely IMO because he doesn't ride the punches well at all.
Yeah, within seconds of the bout looking at Conor's stance, and how high he held his head up as he came in I was like "Yeesh...his chin is just right there on a silver platter to be tagged"
gilgamesh wrote:
For me it was like this. Conor had no business being in there. Any round Floyd didn't win very clearly was a Conor round for me. Didn't wind up mattering anyhow.
That's gotta be the hardest thing about being a judge though. Looking past the fact one fighter isn't doing as well as you thought he would and/or one fighter is doing better without letting that influence your judging.
Well, in all fairness most of the time fights aren't this ridiculous mismatched.
I call it like I see it. Conor took the 4th round in my view because it was practically even, and therefore he won it. Floyd's plan was to finish things when he started to really get going, which is pretty much what he did.
No problems we see things differently. 4 was clear to Floyd. 3 was the closer round to me which I edged Floyd but I wouldnt be too offended by someone giving mcgregor 3.
Scoring close rounds to mcgregor cos he's so over matched isn't really balanced judging though. If a round is close, it's close. The fact that 1 guy is a rank amateur doesn't mean he should get it if the action is level
Last night was a farce the likes of which will never be seen again. My judging is always balanced and reasonable. Floyd didn't clearly win the 4th to me. I watched it same as you. He was still not doing enough to clearly best Conor that round in my view.
gilgamesh wrote:Last night was a farce the likes of which will never be seen again. My judging is always balanced and reasonable. Floyd didn't clearly win the 4th to me. I watched it same as you. He was still not doing enough to clearly best Conor that round in my view.
I think that FMJ v Pac was a far greater farce. Pac was in no shape to compete that night. Both teams knew it before going in.
Last night, for whatever reason you choose to believe, McG won the first three rounds clearly. Also, if McG would have landed that early uppercut it could have been a different fight, kind of like SSM, where FMJ would have beaten McG to a pulp within 5 out of necessity.
gilgamesh wrote:Last night was a farce the likes of which will never be seen again. My judging is always balanced and reasonable. Floyd didn't clearly win the 4th to me. I watched it same as you. He was still not doing enough to clearly best Conor that round in my view.
I think that FMJ v Pac was a far greater farce. Pac was in no shape to compete that night. Both teams knew it before going in.
Last night, for whatever reason you choose to believe, McG won the first three rounds clearly. Also, if McG would have landed that early uppercut it could have been a different fight, kind of like SSM, where FMJ would have beaten McG to a pulp within 5 out of necessity.
It's not like Conor was ever beating up Floyd at any point, Floyd just really wasn't doing sh*t in those early rounds. Conor was winning simply by outworking him. Don't know why everybody is so hung up on the scoring of a fight that ended via TKO. It's a non-issue.
I don't buy Pac's injury excuse against Floyd. He lost to Floyd because Floyd's better than him.
gilgamesh wrote:Last night was a farce the likes of which will never be seen again. My judging is always balanced and reasonable. Floyd didn't clearly win the 4th to me. I watched it same as you. He was still not doing enough to clearly best Conor that round in my view.
I think that FMJ v Pac was a far greater farce. Pac was in no shape to compete that night. Both teams knew it before going in.
Last night, for whatever reason you choose to believe, McG won the first three rounds clearly. Also, if McG would have landed that early uppercut it could have been a different fight, kind of like SSM, where FMJ would have beaten McG to a pulp within 5 out of necessity.
It's not like Conor was ever beating up Floyd at any point, Floyd just really wasn't doing sh*t in those early rounds. Conor was winning simply by outworking him. Don't know why everybody is so hung up on the scoring of a fight that ended via TKO. It's a non-issue.
I don't buy Pac's injury excuse against Floyd. He lost to Floyd because Floyd's better than him.
Pac was injured. Both teams were aware of it. Team FMJ adjusted for it. It was totally uncompetitive.
That is not to say that I think that a completely healthy Pac would have defeated FMJ on that night, but it would have been more competitive.
Tanzio wrote:
Pac was injured. Both teams were aware of it. Team FMJ adjusted for it. It was totally uncompetitive.
That is not to say that I think that a completely healthy Pac would have defeated FMJ on that night, but it would have been more competitive.
Well...tough sh*t for Pac then. If he chose to come into the fight with an injury. He gets no sympathy from me.
Who is offering him any sympathy? If anything, everyone involved in that choreographed farce should have been sued for covering up knowledge of an injury that if known of by the public would have changed the betting line considerably.
Tanzio wrote:
Pac was injured. Both teams were aware of it. Team FMJ adjusted for it. It was totally uncompetitive.
That is not to say that I think that a completely healthy Pac would have defeated FMJ on that night, but it would have been more competitive.
Well...tough sh*t for Pac then. If he chose to come into the fight with an injury. He gets no sympathy from me.
Who is offering him any sympathy? If anything, everyone involved in that choreographed farce should have been sued for covering up knowledge of an injury that if known of by the public would have changed the betting line considerably.
Btw, I also have no sympathy for gamblers.
Smart money would've been on Floyd that night anyway. I have no sympathy for gamblers neither. I pick fights at a 90% accuracy here lately so if I were to be gambling on them I wouldn't need sympathy. The 10% of the time I'd be wrong wouldn't be breaking the bank.
Two standout moments. The flush counter uppercut Conor landed was extremely shocking. Only to be outdone by him not losing any points. Especially with that leg hump 8 shot to the back of the head combo.
Undercard, Jack is very underrated, right there 10-13 p4p and Davis does not have ATG power. Sorry Jip.
I laughed at McGregors primitive skills during the opening 4 rounds, clear fouls and slaps behind the back of the head showed me exactly how this one would play out later in the fight, it was always going to be just a matter of time.
Floyd did exactly the right thing by letting Connor unleash some of that pent up tension while at the same time draining the tank with important body shots, Mayweather stuck to the cycles and game plans and waited for the moment which would inevitably happen when McGregor would lose his boxing shape and that's exactly what happened.
Floyd played it cool kept his nerve and went through the motions, it was a decent fight and although some may have had Mcgregor ahead after a few rounds it was only because referee Robert Byrd wanted the fight to have some flow because he could so easily have deducted points from Connor.
I came away from the whole thing happy it turned out to be somewhat competitive rather than the circus it could have been, Connor has some work to do to improve his boxing should he want to venture back into the sport but he did give a fairly good account of himself.
Floyd was Floyd and did what I thought he should do for the most part, he came with multiple ideas while mixing up the clues enough to confuse and disorientate McGregor enough during a lot of the fight, Floyd didn't buy into the weird stances or southpaw orthodox switch hitting and soldiered along at a steady pace until he saw Connor gassing then stepped it up for the stoppage.
The fight was far more competitive than some are trying to suggest. As if to defend boxing's honor they must take shots at Conor and down play his performance.
We can all agree he lost, was losing, and really didn't have much chance to win.
He had zero boxing matches and was taking on the best boxer of his generation. Some of you are stressing how Floyd was 40, inactive, etc. All true. But he was the best boxer of his generation and Conor took him on in his first fight. He won some rounds, displayed a surprising jab early, avoided big shots early, and handled himself surprisingly well.
As for his conditioning. It's not really fair to say boxers are better conditioned, as it's a different sport. They are better conditioned for boxing. If Floyd had to grapple with Conor while fighting he may look pretty unconditioned.
The fight was far more entertaining than I had anticipated, and Conor did far better than I had anticipated. The way Floyd fought helped the fight be more entertaining.
The stoppage was well timed.
While some are pointing out Conor was 0-0 let's also point out he was a multi World Champion in MMA. So he was a World class fighter. And let's not feel the need to down play his MMA accomplishments. Nor down play the standard of fighting in that sport. I am sure Floyd would be handled easily if he tried his hand at MMA against Conor.
6 Pack wrote:The fight was far more competitive than some are trying to suggest. As if to defend boxing's honor they must take shots at Conor and down play his performance.
We can all agree he lost, was losing, and really didn't have much chance to win.
He had zero boxing matches and was taking on the best boxer of his generation. Some of you are stressing how Floyd was 40, inactive, etc. All true. But he was the best boxer of his generation and Conor took him on in his first fight. He won some rounds, displayed a surprising jab early, avoided big shots early, and handled himself surprisingly well.
As for his conditioning. It's not really fair to say boxers are better conditioned, as it's a different sport. They are better conditioned for boxing. If Floyd had to grapple with Conor while fighting he may look pretty unconditioned.
The fight was far more entertaining than I had anticipated, and Conor did far better than I had anticipated. The way Floyd fought helped the fight be more entertaining.
The stoppage was well timed.
While some are pointing out Conor was 0-0 let's also point out he was a multi World Champion in MMA. So he was a World class fighter. And let's not feel the need to down play his MMA accomplishments. Nor down play the standard of fighting in that sport. I am sure Floyd would be handled easily if he tried his hand at MMA against Conor.
That's by far the best post I've seen on the proceedings. The majority are raw sewage.
Eh, I believe many elite athletes or amateur boxers could hang with Floyd for a few rounds, that's his style. Slow starter that eventually chokes the life out of the opponent and fight itself. Nothing special in getting a few rounds in. What is special is the ability of the snake oil salesman sweeping the country.
Blodhemn wrote:Eh, I believe many elite athletes or amateur boxers could hang with Floyd for a few rounds, that's his style. Slow starter that eventually chokes the life out of the opponent and fight itself. Nothing special in getting a few rounds in. What is special is the ability of the snake oil salesman sweeping the country.
I agree. Taking the first 3 rounds against Mayweather (who decided to barely throw a punch during that time) is hardly the same as hanging in with someone trying to take your head off from the opening bell.
Taking the first 3 rounds against Mayweather is something very few fighters have ever done. Does the fact that Floyd looked diminished take away from the fact that McGregor isn't a boxer? I think not, I wouldn't have thought he could take 3 rounds from Floyd's Dad. On top of that, he landed very clean with his jab. I don't remember anybody ever doing that. Anywho, it's a Boxing forum, I guess Conor has to be an invalid no matter what happened.
Depends on your perspective, I suppose. It seemed to me that Mayweather was deliberately carrying McGregor through the start of the fight, so the first 3 rounds were effectively meaningless. Floyd could have stepped it up whenever he chose to.
