Floyd can't win a real fight

[Jip]

Of course i am over exagerating, of course he can win a real fight against the elite.

But my point is this.

For me boxing is fighting. Yes it involves clinching, yes it involves lateral movemant overall footwork & defence. But 80 % is boxing, is fighting, is 2 boxer staying infront each other, punching, countering.

Thats a real boxing fight for me, like hagler did, like tito did and like pac did. Thats boxing. And hell yeah the aggressor should win the round and not the boxer who tries eberything not to engage in a fight!

Therefore a running/footwork/clinching match, floyd wins everytime. But a real boxing fight floyds gets beaten up. His offense looked so poor the last 7 years, no combos, nothing but single punches every 40 secondes, not even on conner he could land some terrific combos or hard hooks. GGG, charlo, jacobs, spence, thurman or canelo would take 1-4 rds to put conner away.

In a real fight he leaves himself open and wouldve get tagged and put away. Thats why he did his running away.

[lazboy]

You're a delusional hater. You poison this forum with your stupidity and bias.

[Jip]

You're a delusional hater. You poison this forum with your stupidity and bias.

You know what i love.

I love boxing. I love when boxer punch each other. I dont like running in a fight and not engaging in a fight.

Today was a good fight. Chicken boxed for ones and wasnt running like he usualy does.

[Jip]

Dont be mad at me laz. Your boy won 50 and his last fight was entertaining, everybody is happy!

[gp.]

You're a delusional hater. You poison this forum with your stupidity and bias.

You know what i love.

I love boxing. I love when boxer punch each other. I dont like running in a fight and not engaging in a fight.

Today was a good fight. Chicken boxed for ones and wasnt running like he usualy does.

Tell you what, let's change the rules so they have their feet fixed to the floor. That should fulfill your criteria for good fights.

Or, you could watch somebody playing Rock Em Sock Em Robots and the rest of us could carry on watching boxing.

[Covfefe]

More expert opinions I see.

I'm so glad we have you here, Jip.

[ThatOne]

The goal of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Ring generalship is part of the criteria to award a round in boxing. It's up to Mayweather's opponent to make him "fight.". If they don't he wins the fight.

In any case he was he aggressor last night

[boxing_rocks]

Spence and Crawford would destroy current Floyd.

[Covfefe]

Spence and Crawford would destroy current Floyd.

I should fornicating hope so. He's forty years old.

[tiny_acres]

After waking up and reading the crap on Facebook about last night's fight. I was looking forward to coming on here to read and discuss the fight in an intelligent manner.
But then I open up this post and get to enjoy these insane ramblings.
Screw this I'm going back to bed

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Of course i am over exagerating, of course he can win a real fight against the elite.

But my point is this.

For me boxing is fighting. Yes it involves clinching, yes it involves lateral movemant overall footwork & defence. But 80 % is boxing, is fighting, is 2 boxer staying infront each other, punching, countering.

Thats a real boxing fight for me, like hagler did, like tito did and like pac did. Thats boxing. And hell yeah the aggressor should win the round and not the boxer who tries eberything not to engage in a fight!

Therefore a running/footwork/clinching match, floyd wins everytime. But a real boxing fight floyds gets beaten up. His offense looked so poor the last 7 years, no combos, nothing but single punches every 40 secondes, not even on conner he could land some terrific combos or hard hooks. GGG, charlo, jacobs, spence, thurman or canelo would take 1-4 rds to put conner away.

In a real fight he leaves himself open and wouldve get tagged and put away. Thats why he did his running away.

Of course I disagree, but this is one of those situations I can't say your wrong just because I disagree.
There are two views of boxing and yours is starting to take over.

IMO, as this continues, boxing will be less like a sport.
It will also completely destroy the UFC in sheer brutality because at least the UFC has other ways out of the fight like submissions.
This will just be Guerrero/Kamegai looking fights every time out.

[gilgamesh]

Another gem from Boxrec's "Expert"

[ThatOne]

Of course i am over exagerating, of course he can win a real fight against the elite.

But my point is this.

For me boxing is fighting. Yes it involves clinching, yes it involves lateral movemant overall footwork & defence. But 80 % is boxing, is fighting, is 2 boxer staying infront each other, punching, countering.

Thats a real boxing fight for me, like hagler did, like tito did and like pac did. Thats boxing. And hell yeah the aggressor should win the round and not the boxer who tries eberything not to engage in a fight!

Therefore a running/footwork/clinching match, floyd wins everytime. But a real boxing fight floyds gets beaten up. His offense looked so poor the last 7 years, no combos, nothing but single punches every 40 secondes, not even on conner he could land some terrific combos or hard hooks. GGG, charlo, jacobs, spence, thurman or canelo would take 1-4 rds to put conner away.

In a real fight he leaves himself open and wouldve get tagged and put away. Thats why he did his running away.

Of course I disagree, but this is one of those situations I can't say your wrong just because I disagree.
There are two views of boxing and yours is starting to take over.

IMO, as this continues, boxing will be less like a sport.
It will also completely destroy the UFC in sheer brutality because at least the UFC has other ways out of the fight like submissions.
This will just be Guerrero/Kamegai looking fights every time out.

It's a boxing contest. It's not a tough guy contest. Why didn't these guys just cut off the ring and make Money "fight" ?

They couldn't and that's why they lost.

[Jip]

Of course i am over exagerating, of course he can win a real fight against the elite.

But my point is this.

For me boxing is fighting. Yes it involves clinching, yes it involves lateral movemant overall footwork & defence. But 80 % is boxing, is fighting, is 2 boxer staying infront each other, punching, countering.

Thats a real boxing fight for me, like hagler did, like tito did and like pac did. Thats boxing. And hell yeah the aggressor should win the round and not the boxer who tries eberything not to engage in a fight!

Therefore a running/footwork/clinching match, floyd wins everytime. But a real boxing fight floyds gets beaten up. His offense looked so poor the last 7 years, no combos, nothing but single punches every 40 secondes, not even on conner he could land some terrific combos or hard hooks. GGG, charlo, jacobs, spence, thurman or canelo would take 1-4 rds to put conner away.

In a real fight he leaves himself open and wouldve get tagged and put away. Thats why he did his running away.

Of course I disagree, but this is one of those situations I can't say your wrong just because I disagree.
There are two views of boxing and yours is starting to take over.

IMO, as this continues, boxing will be less like a sport.
It will also completely destroy the UFC in sheer brutality because at least the UFC has other ways out of the fight like submissions.
This will just be Guerrero/Kamegai looking fights every time out.

I dont quiet understand everything you wrote.

My point is this...

The reason i like boxing so much is the fighting aspect combined with technique & physical atributes. Down the line the fighting is the most important aspect if boxing. I have nothing againat footwork, countering, moving and boxing smart, but at the end boxing equals action entertainmant for me as a viewer. Therefore as a viewer i want a fight and not what floyd did all these years and that was the opposite, floyd wanted no fight, no combos, no trading punches. All he wanted was single punches and lots of moving. Boring monoton offense combined with running, i cant umderstand anybody that enjoyed this style. Adding the reffery that gave points for not engaging in a fight. Their he was effective,but in real fight, toe too toe wouldve been a different story. Although i have to say,i have to be honest, canelo & cotto were elite opponents and he was trading shots with him and not running and was succesful.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

The reason i like boxing so much is the fighting aspect combined with technique & physical atributes. Down the line the fighting is the most important aspect if boxing. I have nothing againat footwork, countering, moving and boxing smart, but at the end boxing equals action entertainmant for me as a viewer. Therefore as a viewer i want a fight and not what floyd did all these years and that was the opposite, floyd wanted no fight, no combos, no trading punches. All he wanted was single punches and lots of moving. Boring monoton offense combined with running, i cant umderstand anybody that enjoyed this style. Adding the reffery that gave points for not engaging in a fight. Their he was effective,but in real fight, toe too toe wouldve been a different story. Although i have to say,i have to be honest, canelo & cotto were elite opponents and he was trading shots with him and not running and was succesful.

Our disagreement is where you see boxing as entertainment and I see it as sport.
I don't think either is right anymore, but you should consider where both paths lead.

The UFC used to have real great fighters. Guys that were technically sound and could really beat you up.
Unfortunately, those guys did too many things that was only exciting to Joe Rogan and MMA purist.
Dozens of leg kicks. Neutralizing an opponent on the ground for the entire match. Real fighting.

Those guys slowly got phased out and now you have more action and ratings and money,
but the fundamentals of fighting are shot in the UFC.
They're very close to just being steroided WWE characters who fight.
Not an opinion on MMA, just the general quality I see in the UFC.

In the short term, revenue and interest increase.
But in the long term, fans begin to lose interest because the sport loses its nuances.
Football isn't more interesting now that everyone just passes.
Basketball isn't more interesting now that everyone just shoots 3s and don't play defense.

I always admired soccer for kinda saying,
"This is soccer, the final score is 2-0, if you don't like it don't watch".

But there is a valid opinion that it's entertainment. That's how you see it.
You can say sports changed in the past with new rules that made things more offensive.
I just prefer the boring stuff.

[Tanzio]

FMJ was in "a real fight" last night. McGregor fought a good, tough fight, and FMJ walked through it and stopped him.

I have had plenty of problems with FMJ over the years but his level of toughness has never been in question. FMJ is nails, and the fact is that few boxers, let alone people could have done what FMj did last night.

That alone is a testament to the quality warrior that both McGregor and FMJ are. I did not buy the show the other night but I think that everyone got their money's worth.

Upon second viewing it is clear that FMJ did NOT carry McGregor, and he could not dispatch McGregor at will. Conor fought a great fight v FMJ the ATG. He was bigger, longer, and for a good part of the fight he was leading.

But FMJ knew more than Team McGregor.

Conor did everything he could and fell short. He was as awesome in defeat as FMJ was in victory.

[Jip]

The reason i like boxing so much is the fighting aspect combined with technique & physical atributes. Down the line the fighting is the most important aspect if boxing. I have nothing againat footwork, countering, moving and boxing smart, but at the end boxing equals action entertainmant for me as a viewer. Therefore as a viewer i want a fight and not what floyd did all these years and that was the opposite, floyd wanted no fight, no combos, no trading punches. All he wanted was single punches and lots of moving. Boring monoton offense combined with running, i cant umderstand anybody that enjoyed this style. Adding the reffery that gave points for not engaging in a fight. Their he was effective,but in real fight, toe too toe wouldve been a different story. Although i have to say,i have to be honest, canelo & cotto were elite opponents and he was trading shots with him and not running and was succesful.

Our disagreement is where you see boxing as entertainment and I see it as sport.
I don't think either is right anymore, but you should consider where both paths lead.

The UFC used to have real great fighters. Guys that were technically sound and could really beat you up.
Unfortunately, those guys did too many things that was only exciting to Joe Rogan and MMA purist.
Dozens of leg kicks. Neutralizing an opponent on the ground for the entire match. Real fighting.

Those guys slowly got phased out and now you have more action and ratings and money,
but the fundamentals of fighting are shot in the UFC.
They're very close to just being steroided WWE characters who fight.
Not an opinion on MMA, just the general quality I see in the UFC.

In the short term, revenue and interest increase.
But in the long term, fans begin to lose interest because the sport loses its nuances.
Football isn't more interesting now that everyone just passes.
Basketball isn't more interesting now that everyone just shoots 3s and don't play defense.

I always admired soccer for kinda saying,
"This is soccer, the final score is 2-0, if you don't like it don't watch".

But there is a valid opinion that it's entertainment. That's how you see it.
You can say sports changed in the past with new rules that made things more offensive.
I just prefer the boring stuff.

Didnt i said in my first sentence that i like also the technique aspect?

I can only talk for me. I love boxing. Sure do i like the technicly part of it. Both can be combined technique + action, many ecample like marquez, GGG or loma.

If you like single punches, lots of movin, lots of waiting than so be it. I cant understand it, but it is what it is..

[RScarf1]

I think Floyd is one of the best of all time, but not "the best ever" as he claims. Just because Rocky Marciano was 49-0, most people do not consider him to be the best heavyweight of all time. The other all time greats would have beaten Floyd in my opinion such as the Sugar Rays (Robinson and Leonard) and a prime Oscar De La Hoya. A past his prime De La Hoya did well against him. De La Hoya is right. Mayweather did not want to take risks and often waited until boxers got older to face them.

[Enlightened-One]

I think Floyd is one of the best of all time, but not "the best ever" as he claims. Just because Rocky Marciano was 49-0, most people do not consider him to be the best heavyweight of all time. The other all time greats would have beaten Floyd in my opinion such as the Sugar Rays (Robinson and Leonard) and a prime Oscar De La Hoya. A past his prime De La Hoya did well against him. De La Hoya is right. Mayweather did not want to take risks and often waited until boxers got older to face them.

Floyd use the "TBE" moniker as a brand. It was a controversial claim that helped keep his name in the media spotlight. It's part of his pantomime villainous heel persona - a form of self-promotion that we've seen in the WWE.

In fact, Floyd openly admitted that the WWE was his main influence when he chose to reinvent himself from his old "Pretty Boy" persona to becoming the obnoxious, but revenue generating, "Money May" character.

Ali used to call himself "The Greatest", despite openly admitting during his retirement that Sugar Ray Robinson was a greater boxer than himself.

Whilst I'm sure that Floyd doesn't believe in his worthiness of owning the "TBE" label from a sporting perspective, he is undoubtedly one of the sports all-time-greats... and from a commercial/business acumen viewpoint, Mayweather Jr. really is "The Best Ever".

[Sequitorian]

Our disagreement is where you see boxing as entertainment and I see it as sport.

I see it as a refinement of the evolutionary development of how humankind deals with adversity ...

The fact that it is sport and entertainment, not to mention a business, is of little interest to me ... and of little value in the advancement of the human condition ...

[Jip]

Our disagreement is where you see boxing as entertainment and I see it as sport.

I see it as a refinement of the evolutionary development of how humankind deals with adversity ...

The fact that it is sport and entertainment, not to mention a business, is of little interest to me ... and of little value in the advancement of the human condition ...

So you dont watch fights to be entertained or excited. What a stupid response.

[Jip]

I think Floyd is one of the best of all time, but not "the best ever" as he claims. Just because Rocky Marciano was 49-0, most people do not consider him to be the best heavyweight of all time. The other all time greats would have beaten Floyd in my opinion such as the Sugar Rays (Robinson and Leonard) and a prime Oscar De La Hoya. A past his prime De La Hoya did well against him. De La Hoya is right. Mayweather did not want to take risks and often waited until boxers got older to face them.

Floyd use the "TBE" moniker as a brand. It was a controversial claim that helped keep his name in the media spotlight. It's part of his pantomime villainous heel persona - a form of self-promotion that we've seen in the WWE.

In fact, Floyd openly admitted that the WWE was his main influence when he chose to reinvent himself from his old "Pretty Boy" persona to becoming the obnoxious, but revenue generating, "Money May" character.

Ali used to call himself "The Greatest", despite openly admitting during his retirement that Sugar Ray Robinson was a greater boxer than himself.

Whilst I'm sure that Floyd doesn't believe in his worthiness of owning the "TBE" label from a sporting perspective, he is undoubtedly one of the sports all-time-greats... and from a commercial/business acumen viewpoint, Mayweather Jr. really is "The Best Ever".

Very good post