Is the Fury v Parker going to be a hard sell?

[dirk2686]

With regard to Fury being Parker's mandatory, does holding the WBO title really give Parker that much bargaining power when it comes to negotiating for potential fights against AJ and Wilder in the future ? He would have to offset any potential increase in future earnings for unification fights against the fact that dealing with the amateur hour Fury's and having to pay for 2 training camps and all the other expenses incurred in making fights that are subsequently cancelled will presumably leave him massively out of pocket as well as having wasted a year of his career.

I think Parker's jackpot is a Joshua fight - nobody at the weight is realistically going to get near that as a payday, and with a Wilder fight seemingly some way off Parker v Joshua for three of the four belts makes it a far more appealing prospect for Joshua than Parker without a belt. I'd say it certainly elevates him above more dangerous opposition like Ortiz and Povetkin.

If this fight is cancelled you have to assume anyone looking at dealing with the Fury's in future will have contracts in place to enforce enormous financial penalties on a pullout.

[Boxerbeetle]

Personally I'd say that Parker is a complete unknown to the casual fan (at least in the UK) & this fight is all about using that Fury surname to try & get him established over here to presumably set up a unification fight with AJ.


Totally agree that Hughie needs a new promoter though, loyalty is great but this is going to really affect his career.

Just having a famous cousin doesn't get the job done though. If a football club chairman hyped the fact that his club were signing Gerrard this summer but it turned out to be Steven's much less talented, virtually unknown cousin the fans would consider it a pretty sneaky way of tricking them into buying tickets.

Oi, leave Anthony Gerrard alone

[dirk2686]

It stinks of another financial mess. Surely it's a relatively simple numbers game. If the money you have to stump up to pay the fighters, hire the venue and security, cover all the admin costs, organise the PR and pay all staff involved with that is less than the amount you bring in from advertising, ticket sales, TV rights/PPV and merchandise you make money.

The trick is understanding the value of your product and I just can't get my head round that element here. Why oh why hire a venue like Manchester Arena for a Hughie Fury fight? It's like picking an 800 capacity castle for your wedding and inviting sixty guests. Fine if you've got the funds to write off the losses but not if you're on a tight budget.

I wonder if Hughie will fight at all. I can see Parker fighting Haye by the end of the year and that being his next fight. He must be absolutely pig sick of dealing with the Furys and Hennessy.

Good post this one.

Do you see a bankruptcy on the cards here either if the fight goes ahead or if the whole show is pulled?

If the show is pulled will it save money or if the show goes ahead will they lose more money, so its kind of better to pull the plug and lose but not as much as if the whole bill goes ahead?

Hard to say but a pull probably makes sense if the fight going ahead will result in a guaranteed financial loser.

The only way I could have seen this fight making money is if it went to New Zealand.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It stinks of another financial mess. Surely it's a relatively simple numbers game. If the money you have to stump up to pay the fighters, hire the venue and security, cover all the admin costs, organise the PR and pay all staff involved with that is less than the amount you bring in from advertising, ticket sales, TV rights/PPV and merchandise you make money.

The trick is understanding the value of your product and I just can't get my head round that element here. Why oh why hire a venue like Manchester Arena for a Hughie Fury fight? It's like picking an 800 capacity castle for your wedding and inviting sixty guests. Fine if you've got the funds to write off the losses but not if you're on a tight budget.

I wonder if Hughie will fight at all. I can see Parker fighting Haye by the end of the year and that being his next fight. He must be absolutely pig sick of dealing with the Furys and Hennessy.

Good post this one.

Do you see a bankruptcy on the cards here either if the fight goes ahead or if the whole show is pulled?

If the show is pulled will it save money or if the show goes ahead will they lose more money, so its kind of better to pull the plug and lose but not as much as if the whole bill goes ahead?

Hard to say but a pull probably makes sense if the fight going ahead will result in a guaranteed financial loser.

The only way I could have seen this fight making money is if it went to New Zealand.

Sometimes you take a loss for a future financial gain. Arum did it with Crawford/Postol.

[veriton]

it's just a dull wbo heavyweight fight on about the same level as herbie hide taking on tony tucker in norwich. far too ambitious putting it on in a big arena like the MEN but probably had to give parker that with the promise of a percentage of the gate to get him to come over.

anyone know if there are any options involved?

[Andrew]

Was Hughie cleared of the doping shenanigans ? Why did the NZ fight fall through and when it did why did Parker's management decide to give these clowns another chance ? Do Parker's team have no confidence in him and thus want to avoid making a big fight he might lose thereby ruining their cash cow ?
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Hughie has not publically been cleared by UKAD. Him and Tyson share a doping charge which now goes back 2.5 years.

I reckon Hughie has been provisionally allowed to fight like he and Tyson were last year for the rescheduled Klitschko rematch card. Then Tyson got two further doping violations hence why he isn't fighting.

Until the case file is uploaded no one knows what is going on with that. It's a complete mess because UKAD are not fit for purpose.

Well the New Zealand fight was dodgy to begin with because Hughie signed the contract at the last minute after the WBO threatened to cancel the fight because he hadn't signed. This was the purse bid contract for big money.

My stance with that was not that the fight wouldn't happen, but I would only think it was on when Team fury landed in New Zealand ( as due to time difference you need to be there a few weeks before the fight )

It was a day after NZ press wrote that the Furys were unhappy with travel arrangements that Hughies back injury emerged....

This is only happening again because Fury is WBO mandatory. We know why that is. Not because of who he has beaten... Because Fr@nk W@rren was his promoter yet he is nowhere to be seen. Hence why I don't think this fight will be on BT.

Next two weeks will be interesting, that's when we know whether it's in or off. A TV deal announcement would give people confidence it is happening though.

Thanks pal that's shed some light on things for me. I've read your comments re UKAD and the Furys on other threads and it does seem a very murky situation that desperately needs sorting out quickly.

With regard to Fury being Parker's mandatory, does holding the WBO title really give Parker that much bargaining power when it comes to negotiating for potential fights against AJ and Wilder in the future ? He would have to offset any potential increase in future earnings for unification fights against the fact that dealing with the amateur hour Fury's and having to pay for 2 training camps and all the other expenses incurred in making fights that are subsequently cancelled will presumably leave him massively out of pocket as well as having wasted a year of his career.

It would give him a much better purse than the usual Joshua voluntary defence. That being said I reckon his purse is big for this fight, going off the purse bid he would have made $1.8m for the New Zealand fight. He wouldn't make much more for Joshua.

[dirk2686]

it's just a dull wbo heavyweight fight on about the same level as herbie hide taking on tony tucker in norwich. far too ambitious putting it on in a big arena like the MEN but probably had to give parker that with the promise of a percentage of the gate to get him to come over.

Surely there has been some learning following the Tyson v Wlad disaster here?

Ticket prices were clearly insane because Wlad was expensive to bring over. But Tyson doesn't sell and even with half the arena at least still empty the Fury's/Warren/Hennessy were going to collectively take a financial kicking if Wlad ended up in the ring regardless of result.

My wonder about this fight, (bearing in mind Tyson might not do many tickets but Hughie does even less) is that Hughie might be pocketing next to nothing for it if it goes ahead. I just don't see where the money is coming from to pay Parker the amount that is likely to have been guaranteed.

[PredatorHayds]

Parkers big sponsor in NZ is Burger King.

Hennessy doesn't care about taking a financial loss he's been promised a 6 month supply of Whoppers.

[KiwiRider]

Parkers big sponsor in NZ is Burger King.

Hennessy doesn't care about taking a financial loss he's been promised a 6 month supply of Whoppers.

BK pulled out just after Huey did for the NZ fight.

[PredatorHayds]

Parkers big sponsor in NZ is Burger King.

Hennessy doesn't care about taking a financial loss he's been promised a 6 month supply of Whoppers.

BK pulled out just after Huey did for the NZ fight.

Only because Hennessy bankrupted them.
Bit like Homer Simpson at the Frying Dutchman all you can eat buffet.

[Mimmy]

Parkers big sponsor in NZ is Burger King.

Hennessy doesn't care about taking a financial loss he's been promised a 6 month supply of Whoppers.

BK pulled out just after Huey did for the NZ fight.

Only because Hennessy bankrupted them.
Bit like Homer Simpson at the Frying Dutchman all you can eat buffet.

Just slightly off topic that is my fave Simpson episode. My second best is the Cape Fear parody.

[Glass Joe]

Wish hennessey would stop eating his flame grilled Burger King and stop asking silly questions like who is going to win out of Mayweather and McGregor on Facebook and actually tell us what TV station Hughie vs Parker will be on or with less than 5 weeks to go the waste of space still hasn't managed to secure a deal.

if I was in the Fury's shoes I would be losing my rag by now and telling hennessey to do one! World title fight not on TV what a joke hennessey.

[KiwiRider]

Wish hennessey would stop eating his flame grilled Burger King and stop asking silly questions like who is going to win out of Mayweather and McGregor on Facebook and actually tell us what TV station Hughie vs Parker will be on or with less than 5 weeks to go the waste of space still hasn't managed to secure a deal.

if I was in the Fury's shoes I would be losing my rag by now and telling hennessey to do one! World title fight not on TV what a joke hennessey.

There must be a deal involving Sky TV at least in NZ because of the PPV market anand Sky is the only PPV here. As for the UK, the Sun vaguely states;
The fight is expected to be broadcast on BT Sports, and should start with the full undercard around 6pm.

[Andrew]

Wish hennessey would stop eating his flame grilled Burger King and stop asking silly questions like who is going to win out of Mayweather and McGregor on Facebook and actually tell us what TV station Hughie vs Parker will be on or with less than 5 weeks to go the waste of space still hasn't managed to secure a deal.

if I was in the Fury's shoes I would be losing my rag by now and telling hennessey to do one! World title fight not on TV what a joke hennessey.

There must be a deal involving Sky TV at least in NZ because of the PPV market anand Sky is the only PPV here. As for the UK, the Sun vaguely states;
The fight is expected to be broadcast on BT Sports, and should start with the full undercard around 6pm.

Can't see it being BT. They have fights scheduled in October and importantly Fr@nk W@rren is nowhere to be seen. The BT boxing deal I think is exclusive to Frank just like sky is to Eddie.

BT so far have had decent cards. The undercard to this is nowhere near good enough in comparison. Also as much crap as Frank has had in the last for cancelled shows in the past that hasn't happened on BT yet.

They won't want to do the risk because, regardless of TV deal, the finances don't add up hence why many people are suspect as to whether it happens.

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[KiwiRider]

Righto.
I take it The Sun is not the literary powehouse one expects?
That quote was from their website.
It's a crazy situation. I have not witnessed a title fight this chaotic before.

[Glass Joe]

Wish hennessey would stop eating his flame grilled Burger King and stop asking silly questions like who is going to win out of Mayweather and McGregor on Facebook and actually tell us what TV station Hughie vs Parker will be on or with less than 5 weeks to go the waste of space still hasn't managed to secure a deal.

if I was in the Fury's shoes I would be losing my rag by now and telling hennessey to do one! World title fight not on TV what a joke hennessey.

There must be a deal involving Sky TV at least in NZ because of the PPV market anand Sky is the only PPV here. As for the UK, the Sun vaguely states;
The fight is expected to be broadcast on BT Sports, and should start with the full undercard around 6pm.

What about froch’s fights KiwiRider? i remember that his fight against taylor was shown on some dodgy website live then on ITV delayed and guess who the promoter was then. You guessed right hennessey, the guy has no pulling power what so ever when it comes to tv.

Wish hennessey would just cancel the fight and let hughie move on and find a decent promoter that will actually come good for him. At the moment hugheie’s career is being destroyed by his lazy and incompetent promoter.

[dirk2686]

Wish hennessey would stop eating his flame grilled Burger King and stop asking silly questions like who is going to win out of Mayweather and McGregor on Facebook and actually tell us what TV station Hughie vs Parker will be on or with less than 5 weeks to go the waste of space still hasn't managed to secure a deal.

if I was in the Fury's shoes I would be losing my rag by now and telling hennessey to do one! World title fight not on TV what a joke hennessey.

There must be a deal involving Sky TV at least in NZ because of the PPV market anand Sky is the only PPV here. As for the UK, the Sun vaguely states;
The fight is expected to be broadcast on BT Sports, and should start with the full undercard around 6pm.

What about froch’s fights KiwiRider? i remember that his fight against taylor was shown on some dodgy website live then on ITV delayed and guess who the promoter was then. You guessed right hennessey, the guy has no pulling power what so ever when it comes to tv.

Wish hennessey would just cancel the fight and let hughie move on and find a decent promoter that will actually come good for him. At the moment hugheie’s career is being destroyed by his lazy and incompetent promoter.

In fairness Hughie signed with Warren well over a year ago. Whatever the details of that arrangement may be, he is still listed as a Warren fighter on Warren's website and Warren handled the purse bids for the NZ Parker fight. Not sure the blame for his career stalling can be laid exclusively at Hennessy's door. Indeed, does anyone believe his bad back story?

[Glass Joe]

There must be a deal involving Sky TV at least in NZ because of the PPV market anand Sky is the only PPV here. As for the UK, the Sun vaguely states;
The fight is expected to be broadcast on BT Sports, and should start with the full undercard around 6pm.

What about froch’s fights KiwiRider? i remember that his fight against taylor was shown on some dodgy website live then on ITV delayed and guess who the promoter was then. You guessed right hennessey, the guy has no pulling power what so ever when it comes to tv.

Wish hennessey would just cancel the fight and let hughie move on and find a decent promoter that will actually come good for him. At the moment hugheie’s career is being destroyed by his lazy and incompetent promoter.

In fairness Hughie signed with Warren well over a year ago. Whatever the details of that arrangement may be, he is still listed as a Warren fighter on Warren's website and Warren handled the purse bids for the NZ Parker fight. Not sure the blame for his career stalling can be laid exclusively at Hennessy's door. Indeed, does anyone believe his bad back story?

Of course it can be hennesseys fault dirk2686, being listed on a website doesn’t mean he is not managed or promoted by hennessey, hennessey has promoted him from the start and was around when he signed with warren, but was that a similar deal to his cousin tyson had that his fights were to be shown on BN.

it’s also a hennessey show and warren is nowhere to be seen so it could mean that warren has nothing to do with hughie anymore, on his website there is no mention of this fight, warren done as much as he could for hughie, so the blame due to lack of tv and stalling his career is all down to hennessey in my opinion, no one else.

I also don’t know how hennessey is running this show as he is not listed as a promoter on the BBBofC website, how are the board allowing him to promote it.

Just doesn’t look good for this fight to actually happen, but if it is why hasn’t hennessey come out and told us the fans where we can watch it on TV, when was the last time anyone heard from hennessey? hearn would be all over this fight promoting it like crazy, actually doing a job of a promoter!

[KiwiRider]

In fairness Hughie signed with Warren well over a year ago. Whatever the details of that arrangement may be, he is still listed as a Warren fighter on Warren's website and Warren handled the purse bids for the NZ Parker fight. Not sure the blame for his career stalling can be laid exclusively at Hennessy's door. Indeed, does anyone believe his bad back story?

No one believes his back injury story.
It was an underhanded way of getting the fight moved to the UK and postponed long enough until Huey had a boxing licence- something I still don't think he has.
The way it was done, waiting until the last minute to cancel, was a real low blow. It hurt Parker's reputation, stalled his career and alienated his main sponsor. All because Huey signed for something he didn't want to go to and was not legally allowed to compete in.
Respect to Parker and his team for hanging in there, and for making sure mandatories are settled before he can continue his career
This is Huey's last chance.
None of Parker's team believe the back injury story

[Oiky]

Least the fights on

[Glass Joe]

Anyone heard anything about TV for the Fury vs Parker fight, why hasn’t Hennessey come out an given us an update, does he not know that it is only 3 and half weeks away from fight night?

Looking at the Eventim ticket website it still looks like half the arena is still empty and not due to high ticket prices like Mayweather at the weekend.

[bripez]

it's just a dull wbo heavyweight fight on about the same level as herbie hide taking on tony tucker in norwich.

I agre - although Hide and Tucker were both exciting.

Hughie and Parker are both boring.

[Mimmy]

Doest look like a pulled bill. Ive hopefully tempted fate by booking the train tickets. Now i have shelled out a bit more cash on travel costs the fight could get canned. I wont be buying any hotel though getting the last train back to leeds at 0-45am

[Sam98]

Think it might be on ITV PPV...

[Boxerbeetle]

Think it might be on ITV PPV...

Great news if so...If any one fight could kill off PPV as a business model, this fight is it. It'll be a financial disaster for all parties