Is Rocky Marciano's 49-0-0 still unbroken ?

[Caractacus]

I didn't watch the fight between Floyd Mayweather and McGregor because I thought it was a joke to begin with.
but Do you think as I do that this fight shouldn't ever have been even ruled a "boxing contest" to begin with ?
It was more like an exhibition between a champion boxer and a handi-capped MMA fighter,
(That wasn't allowed to utilize three-fourths of his arsenal in the fight,but the boxer was allowed to use ALL of his skills ).
just didn't seem 'cricket" as the English say (or use to say back in the day anyway ).

[crusader]

It was sanctioned, so it should count, just like all the bad mismatches fighters have starting out that dont really get questioned.

There is also a Thai at 48-0. He's already fought 4 times this year, so he could surpass 49-0 soon, though I imagine that he'll lose at some point.

[HomicideHenry]

Nope. Still remains intact. The 49-0 only ever applied to HEAVYWEIGHT boxing. Holmes went 48-0 before losing to Spinks, and he went crazy for losing that match. Besides, if we count all weight classes Ricardo Lopez already bypassed the record ages ago. Believe he was 50-0-2.

[HomicideHenry]

Because fighting at heavyweight is a whole other animal than the other weights. With heavyweights it only takes ONE PUNCH to end things. It's far more difficult to maintain an undefeated record when it's 200+ pounds. People will probably disagree with me, but oh well. That's sports. We agree to disagree.

[crusader]

Nope. Still remains intact. The 49-0 only ever applied to HEAVYWEIGHT boxing. Holmes went 48-0 before losing to Spinks, and he went crazy for losing that match. Besides, if we count all weight classes Ricardo Lopez already bypassed the record ages ago. Believe he was 50-0-2.

Lopez didn't win every fight though. The big deal that gets made with Marciano and Mayweather is that they are 100 percent winners. There have been others who passed 50-0, but they eventually lost.

[Caractacus]

how do you think Conner McGregor would have faired his MMA ring record if he mostly boxed but with an occasional kick
and body throw and choke hold .
how far would he have gotten in MMA just mainly throwing punches ?\
for a milestone record like that Floyd Mayweather should have at least faced GGG,
then it would be considered ligatamint to claim it.
I think there should be an asterix next to it,just like those juiced up baseball players
that now have homerun records.

[paddy chavez]

Chavez was 86/87 -0 and there's been others I think zarate went past 50

[APerno]

Who appointed themselves yet another kind of god and decided it only applied to Heavyweights? Other fighters have overtaken Marciano's 49 - 0, they just didn't retire, and inevitably lost. If Mayweather sticks to his word from last weekend and retires, his record for PROFESSIONAL fighting under boxing rules will always read 50 - 0.

Guess some people aren't happy with that, but it won't alter the facts or stats.

It kind of has to apply to HW only; it doesn't make much sense when you bring in the lighter guys, the 50-0 record loses some of its luster. Off the top of my head I can name (and so can you) Willie Pep 63-0; Nino Benvenuti 65-0; and JC Chavez 87-0, but then all three of these men chose to continue fighting (no doubt the availability of money has changed the game).

If you make it an any weight record then what do you say about Mayweather: either he still has 37 more fights to win to take over the most consecutive wins record or you say he holds the most consecutive wins without a career loss record (but then you have to add that's because he chose to retire.)

It gets messy trying to apply Marciano's 49-0 record to the lighter guys; IMO we see Marciano's record as extraordinary because he was a HW.

Side note: I never understood why we make such a big deal out of Marciano's no loses; it is his 49 wins that are a big deal. - Would we today marvel at SRR's perfect left hook if Gene Fullmer hadn't beaten him previously? Coming back from adversity can be a better measure of greatness than being undefeated.

[Ambling Alp II]

It's too bad film doesn't seem to exist for Marciano's fights with Lowrey and the first LaStarza fight. Would be interesting to see if he really deserved them and if they were an even a bigger robbery than the first Mayweather-Castillo fight.

[gp.]

how do you think Conner McGregor would have faired his MMA ring record if he mostly boxed but with an occasional kick
and body throw and choke hold .
how far would he have gotten in MMA just mainly throwing punches ?\
for a milestone record like that Floyd Mayweather should have at least faced GGG,
then it would be considered ligatamint to claim it.
I think there should be an asterix next to it,just like those juiced up baseball players
that now have homerun records.

"at least GGG"?? So, "at least" a guy much heavier than him who is also a P4P top boxer? If that's "at least" then what would you consider to be a good fight?

In addition, has it occurred to you that if Mayweather had knocked over two complete incompetents back when he had had four or five fights, he would have been 51-0 before the McGregor fight and you would have thought everything was fine? What matters is the overall quality of the fights on his record, not at what point he had them.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

ITS GONE OVER

[Controversial]

He broke it, for arguments sake say Mayweather fought McGregor in his debut, he would still have 50 wins. On the flip side if Marciano came out of retirement and fought some bum and went 50-0 no one would say that fight wouldn't count.

[BitPlayer]

Why should it count any less than Floyds wins over Edgar Ayala, or Roberto Apodaca?
Or Rocky's wins over Jimmy Weeks or Lee Epperson?

Always seemed odd to me that people wouldn't count that win, but would count beating one more jounrymen early in his career.

[Caractacus]

why not ?
all the greats or near greats who were totally dominent in the weight catagories for years and years,
usually went up to the next weight class to try and capture another belt,were the odds were more against them as far as weight.

[Caractacus]

How do you think the fight would have gone if Floyd Mayweather was required to throw at least 6 kicks in each round
or be deducted points ?
It would throw his game plan off probably.
How far did Conner McGregor go in a MMA fight without throwing a kick ?
It must have messed him up mentally going into the fight not be able to use his arsenal
that brought him to the table in the first place.

[APerno]

The only thing that brought McGregor to the table was money he couldn't have earned in MMA if he kept fighting until he was 100 years old.

Yep, that's all that happened, but not with my $100.

Funny wasn't it, how a rabbit punch somehow got renamed something cool sounding like "hammer blow' or some thing like that; it was still just a rabbit punch, a cheap shot by an unskilled fighter.

MMA is a throw back to bare knuckle fighting, tough guys (and they are that) who come to the game with no real skill set. Superior strength and speed wins almost every time; there are no masters of the craft who can offset a physically superior opponent with technique; there are no "Tunneys" controlling a physically superior Dempsey for 18 of 20 rounds.

MMA fighters are only fair punchers; fair kickers; fair wrestlers; no one seems to have mastered any of the available techniques. The few McGregor fights I (recently went looking for) watched, he imposed his will on his opponents with superior speed and power but he held no mastery of any of the techniques; he didn't punch like a boxer; he didn't kick like someone schooled in karate; and he was never on his high school wrestling team. It was all power and speed. That wasn't going to be enough against some one who knows how to defend himself (Mayweather).

[BitPlayer]

Nope. Still remains intact. The 49-0 only ever applied to HEAVYWEIGHT boxing. Holmes went 48-0 before losing to Spinks, and he went crazy for losing that match. Besides, if we count all weight classes Ricardo Lopez already bypassed the record ages ago. Believe he was 50-0-2.

Lopez didn't win every fight though. The big deal that gets made with Marciano and Mayweather is that they are 100 percent winners. There have been others who passed 50-0, but they eventually lost.

His only blemish is actually a technical draw for a cut, because of a rule that the uncut fighter got a point deduction.
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