Floyd Mayweather Sr, a good trainer?

[ALI]

Is Floyd Sr a good trainer?

I dont have much to go on, all i know, from watching him on film over the past 10 years or so, is his brain is barely functioning. He struggles to talk, struggles to answer questions with any intellect, and his health in general is very poorly. His corner work is also a joke IMO. I think the man would struggle to make his own breakfast, never mind a champion boxer.

Yet fighters seem to praise him very highly as a trainer. Now Chris Eubank Jr has just come out saying it is his dream to be trained by Floyd Sr? And again i'm thinking WTF! Why would he want to pay for his services, i bet he dont come cheap!

I recal on 24/7 when he trained Hatton for the Pacquaio massacre, he was hours late in getting to the gym most days and did not seem to have any sort of proper training plan set out.

What are others opinions of Floyd Sr as a trainer? Is he living of his sons achievements, or, is he reaally a very good trainer?

[DannyMCR]

Hatton talked about him a little in his Vegas Tales book, he praised him somewhat but it seemed to me that he laid the blame of the Pacquiao loss solely on Sr himself.

Hatton reckons Sr overtrained him so that he reached peak fitness too early in camp and also Sr couldn't so southpaw pads at all..

[KiwiRider]

I don't know enough about him as a trainer to make any comment.
But whenever he is advising Floyd Jr during a fight, Floyd isn't listening to a word.
In interviews he does not articulate well and seems to regurgitate the same meaningless catchphrases without devulging anything intelligible.

[AGM]

Iv been to his gym quite a lot and first hand he looks very good.

[Bleak]

Hatton talked about him a little in his Vegas Tales book, he praised him somewhat but it seemed to me that he laid the blame of the Pacquiao loss solely on Sr himself.

Hatton reckons Sr overtrained him so that he reached peak fitness too early in camp and also Sr couldn't so southpaw pads at all..

is that Vegas tales worth a read??

[forestbox]

Hatton said senior couldn't do southpaw pads.

[TheLeprechaun]

He used to be a good trainer around the time he was training De La Hoya. He trained him for a few years when DLH was at his peak.

He trained Floyd Jr. as a kid from the time he was very small and was really strict. He made Floyd work hard and Floyd has said in interviews that he didn't really have a childhood. I think Floyd Jr pretty much learned everything he needed by the olympics. From then on he was able to train himself and had the intellect and skills to figure opponents out and outclass them. For a long time they didn't talk because Floyd was resentful about his childhood but they made up a few years ago. Floyd doesn't listen to a word he says in the corner and basically trains himself. I remember Freddie Roach talking about this.

I'm sure Floyd Sr knows quite a bit and he trains Tabiti, who employs the Mayweather style pretty well. He also trained Mickey Bey who was another good Mayweather style fighter. He came a cropper against limited Molina by getting starched in the last round. I remember watching that fight and Floyd Sr. was telling him to go for the stoppage just before the last round. Bey had won every round at this point. Bey came out, went for the stoppage and got starched on the counter. Floyd was interviewed after and started saying Bey should have just outboxed him in the last round

I think it's a case of Floyd Sr. getting old. He's a bit senile at this point. Took a lot of hidings in his career. He was also a genuine hard man on the streets. Got shot a couple of times and did time in jail. I think the punches inside and outside the ring have taken their toll. He does say some good things the odd time when he's talking about boxing but you get the feeling that he's punch drunk.

[handsofstone]

Hatton said senior couldn't do southpaw pads.

Sr was on the pads with Monroe Jr the other day and he was standing in an orthodox stance, I'm sure Saunders tweeted something about him being a southpaw

[Nightmare Roy]

wasn't he constantly late for Hatton when he trained him for the PAC fight despite being paid a million squids?

[handsofstone]

He used to be a good trainer around the time he was training De La Hoya. He trained him for a few years when DLH was at his peak.

He trained Floyd Jr. as a kid from the time he was very small and was really strict. He made Floyd work hard and Floyd has said in interviews that he didn't really have a childhood. I think Floyd Jr pretty much learned everything he needed by the olympics. From then on he was able to train himself and had the intellect and skills to figure opponents out and outclass them. For a long time they didn't talk because Floyd was resentful about his childhood but they made up a few years ago. Floyd doesn't listen to a word he says in the corner and basically trains himself. I remember Freddie Roach talking about this.

I'm sure Floyd Sr knows quite a bit and he trains Tabiti, who employs the Mayweather style pretty well. He also trained Mickey Bey who was another good Mayweather style fighter. He came a cropper against limited Molina by getting starched in the last round. I remember watching that fight and Floyd Sr. was telling him to go for the stoppage just before the last round. Bey had won every round at this point. Bey came out, went for the stoppage and got starched on the counter. Floyd was interviewed after and started saying Bey should have just outboxed him in the last round

I think it's a case of Floyd Sr. getting old. He's a bit senile at this point. Took a lot of hidings in his career. He was also a genuine hard man on the streets. Got shot a couple of times and did time in jail. I think the punches inside and outside the ring have taken their toll. He does say some good things the odd time when he's talking about boxing but you get the feeling that he's punch drunk.

Good post

[Tarkus]

He is a great coach if your name is Mayweather. Because nobody else can understand a word of what he is saying.

[TheLeprechaun]

On a side note it's funny how Floyd Sr seems like he always wanted to be the best boxer which Floyd Jr is. And Floyd Jr. always wanted to be the hard man outside the ring which Floyd Sr is. Floyd Sr. was nowhere near as good as Floyd Jr. in the ring and Floyd Jr. is nowhere near the hard man outside the ring that his dad was.

[Asterix]

He is a great coach if your name is Mayweather. Because nobody else can understand a word of what he is saying.

I was thinking the same thing.

[DannyMCR]

Hatton talked about him a little in his Vegas Tales book, he praised him somewhat but it seemed to me that he laid the blame of the Pacquiao loss solely on Sr himself.

Hatton reckons Sr overtrained him so that he reached peak fitness too early in camp and also Sr couldn't so southpaw pads at all..

is that Vegas tales worth a read??

Absolutely mate, I was in stitches all the way through it!

[stujones]

Personally, I've always thought Floyd Jnr was better with Roger Mayweather.

When you think about Floyd Snr's most renowned fighters - Floyd Jnr, DLH and Hatton.... well anyone could coach these talents to big heights - we are talking two all time greats and Hatton was in the upper echelons of the P4P rankings under Billy Graham.

I've always thought DLH was also better before joining Floyd Snr - and he should have stuck with Roach after the Mayweather fight - it was one of Oscar's best performances in a while. However, he does seem to have the aura about him because Oscar would always sing his praises, as did Hatton (pre Pacquiao) and Floyd hardly mentions Roger's tutorlidge - its always about Daddy.

From what I can see, Floyd Snr is a bit of a hard task master, but it is Roger who is the coach I'd be advising Eubank Jnr to work with.

[bbjc]

Hes a bit like one of them guys that are intellectually dumb cant get a qualification to save their lifes but they make up for it with street smarts. Senior knows the game...been around gyms his whole life and appears to know what works. Floyd mayweather junior as good as he is...still owes a lot of it to his dad.

I think snrs had the experience of having good knowledgeable trainers...hes learned from it and passed it on. The philly shell/the tippy tappy padwork reflex work etc pretty sure was passed onto him from an ex trainer. Hes then passed that experience on to floyd when he was young enough to excel. A lot of experience a lot of other kids wouldnt have access too.

Exerience is a big thing for a coach. But every coach/boxer has weaknesses. Hes got a good few. One of them you need to put up with a lot as a price for his experience. Combination of great experience plus hes a bit of a disciplinarian. Which can get results. He knows what works but on the other side of the coin...i dont think hes very smart.

[TheLeprechaun]

Hes a bit like one of them guys that are intellectually dumb cant get a qualification to save their lifes but they make up for it with street smarts. Senior knows the game...been around gyms his whole life and appears to know what works. Floyd mayweather junior as good as he is...still owes a lot of it to his dad.

I think snrs had the experience of having good knowledgeable trainers...hes learned from it and passed it on. The philly shell/the tippy tappy padwork reflex work etc pretty sure was passed onto him from an ex trainer. Hes then passed that experience on to floyd when he was young enough to excel. A lot of experience a lot of other kids wouldnt have access too.

Exerience is a big thing for a coach. But every coach/boxer has weaknesses. Hes got a good few. One of them you need to put up with a lot as a price for his experience. Combination of great experience plus hes a bit of a disciplinarian. Which can get results. He knows what works but on the other side of the coin...i dont think hes very smart.

Good post. What an advantage for Floyd Jr though. He would have got all the best drills in training from day 1.

[bbjc]

Hes a bit like one of them guys that are intellectually dumb cant get a qualification to save their lifes but they make up for it with street smarts. Senior knows the game...been around gyms his whole life and appears to know what works. Floyd mayweather junior as good as he is...still owes a lot of it to his dad.

I think snrs had the experience of having good knowledgeable trainers...hes learned from it and passed it on. The philly shell/the tippy tappy padwork reflex work etc pretty sure was passed onto him from an ex trainer. Hes then passed that experience on to floyd when he was young enough to excel. A lot of experience a lot of other kids wouldnt have access too.

Exerience is a big thing for a coach. But every coach/boxer has weaknesses. Hes got a good few. One of them you need to put up with a lot as a price for his experience. Combination of great experience plus hes a bit of a disciplinarian. Which can get results. He knows what works but on the other side of the coin...i dont think hes very smart.

Good post. What an advantage for Floyd Jr though. He would have got all the best drills in training from day 1.

Exactly right mate. Hard to lose when you ve got guys in your corner like floyd senior and roger from an early age. Two guys that know exactly whats necessary to hang at the top level...because they pretty much fought at that level. Roger did anyway...and senior didnt do too bad either. Technically they we,re both pretty good it was more just their natural weaknesses that let them down lack of power for senior...bit of a weak chin at the very top level for roger. But they we,re both well drilled well schooled fighters. Knew the sacrifice needed...that experience is hard to beat. I m actually gonna look up their trainers cause i bet they have a little bit of responsibility for floyds juniors success cause a lot of them drills, the philly shell etc probably arent directly from the mayweathers.

Learned then put into practice from an early enough age with a guy that probably didnt have roger and seniors natural weaknesses in floyd junior.

[bbjc]

Floyd mayweather senior credits a guy names dale williams from detroit that used to train him years back with a lot of the same things they taught mayweather junior if its of any interest mate.

[SAPFO]

SNR learned & perfected the shoulder roll to what it is today from a man named Dale Williams of Detroit, Michigan. A quick google of his suggests a 0-1 career record.


At my lowly level of boxing over the years, I've found I naturally employ these tactics from a southpaw stance as a right hander, and find I never really get hit clean at all. Offence is shiite though

To the coaches on here. I always wonder when young kids are schooled in boxing, are they looked at in different stances to see if they have that natural ability to pull it off, or are they coached the way the coach knows?

[SAPFO]

Floyd mayweather senior credits a guy names dale williams from detroit that used to train him years back with a lot of the same things they taught mayweather junior if its of any interest mate.

Beat me to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKU3Mj6ddNQ

[Ricky_]

I think somewhere in his skull is boxing brain that has a great understanding of the sweet science. The guy can hardly put together a coherent sentence though, and i doubt he knows much about physical conditioning - i doubt many pro's would want to be trained by snr.