punchoutsb wrote:
Cojanu was rated 14 by the WBO at the time he fought Parker. Allen has never been ranked that high.
Not only is Pulev NOT a clown, his resume is better than Ortiz and Wilders.
Though I don't know why I'm wasting time responding someone who ends terrible, opinion based posts with kaboooooom haters.
Nah. Pulev's resume is not better at all. He tried his chance against Klitschko and thats all.
Dimitrenko and Ustinov are not good names at all. He could not even hurt Thompson and Ortiz had easy time with him.
Also Jennings could beat Pulev if they ever fought ;)
Jennings is possibly better as Wilder as well, just a few years ago he probably actually was
Maybe we could see it if Wilder fights Ortiz :) But Pulev has not any good resume as those boys claim. Dimitrenko and Ustinov are nobodies at this time.
Thompson nah. I see Dohoupas beating all of those guys. Actualy Dimitrenko is a mr nobody compare to Robert Helenius
Parker looked bad more than once :))) I wont mention even that clown Pulev who fought dead corpses like Samuel Peter
Cojanu was rated 14 by the WBO at the time he fought Parker. Allen has never been ranked that high.
Not only is Pulev NOT a clown, his resume is better than Ortiz and Wilders.
Though I don't know why I'm wasting time responding someone who ends terrible, opinion based posts with kaboooooom haters.
Nah. Pulev's resume is not better at all. He tried his chance against Klitschko and thats all.
Dimitrenko and Ustinov are not good names at all. He could not even hurt Thompson and Ortiz had easy time with him.
Also Jennings could beat Pulev if they ever fought ;)
Saying nah doesn't make the crap that follows true. You haven't the foggiest, I'm afraid. It's fine to be right in your mind, but no need to clutter up the forum with this tripe.
actjac wrote:To the average boxing forum poster all boxers are over rated, only fights bums and nobodies and should retire
The average boxing forum poster is age 25-26, never been in a gym let alone inside a ring, never met a boxing contender and has never seen a title fight in person.
These are the people who criticize Wilder.
Given the articulateness and grammatical fluency on this forum at least, I would surmise the average age is 10 or 20 years more than your assumption.
Anyone I seem to talk to under 30 struggles to compose an intellagable sentence without drifting off with a 1000 yard stare.
But heck, I'll be 25-26 but I might have to trade in the missus for a newer model (not actually a model)
Actually polls were done on two boxing forums. The average age was 25-26
I criticize Wilder, am 27, have boxed, and have met a contender. I haven't seen a world title fight in person (pretty much none happen around here), but I've probably seen thousands on TV.
There are very good reasons to criticize Deontay, though some people do go over the top with it.
crusader wrote:I criticize Wilder, am 27, have boxed, and have met a contender. I haven't seen a world title fight in person (pretty much none happen around here), but I've probably seen thousands on TV.
There are very good reasons to criticize Deontay, though some people do go over the top with it.
One decent opponent will shut me and I surmise a lot of others up. If he faces Ortiz, all is forgiven
Boxrec is his curse, anyone can look him up and see the dire records of his first 30 opponents, and wonder why, after 38 fights he has not stepped up and fought at champion level.
Nah. Pulev's resume is not better at all. He tried his chance against Klitschko and thats all.
Dimitrenko and Ustinov are not good names at all. He could not even hurt Thompson and Ortiz had easy time with him.
Also Jennings could beat Pulev if they ever fought ;)
Jennings is possibly better as Wilder as well, just a few years ago he probably actually was
Maybe we could see it if Wilder fights Ortiz :) But Pulev has not any good resume as those boys claim. Dimitrenko and Ustinov are nobodies at this time.
Thompson nah. I see Dohoupas beating all of those guys. Actualy Dimitrenko is a mr nobody compare to Robert Helenius
I'd like to see Duhaupas vs Chisora, Duhaupas is a lot better compared to the time he fought Wilder, when he wasn't even a real pro. Meanwhile Chisora downgraded a hell of a lot, so it should be a close match now.
Ortiz and Pulev are both easily top 10 fighters. I'd have no problem either of them getting a title fight against any of the belt holders. Both far better than what Wilder is facing. Both completely acceptable after facing Klitschko
jessica91 wrote:Ortiz and Pulev are both easily top 10 fighters. I'd have no problem either of them getting a title fight against any of the belt holders. Both far better than what Wilder is facing. Both completely acceptable after facing Klitschko
They have both been waiting in #1 contender position for their respective belts long enough. Eddie Hearn has laid out AJ's three fight plan which includes both of them. Wilder mouthing off about fighting Ortiz is what it is. If it dosent transpire Ortiz has a shot at AJ after his fight with Pulev so it's all good.
Ortiz is crap. Looked slow and lumbering against Scott and got caught and hurt by poorly conditioned novice Dave Allen. Looks every bit of his 83 … sorry 38 years … Cuban years.
Wilder is crap. Never fought anyone of note in nine frigging years.
Joshua is crap. Nearly got knocked out by a 41 year old who had been inactive for over a year since he fought his last fight and lost.
Parker is crap. Looked terrible against Cojanu and didn’t convince against either Ruiz or Takam. Probably would have lost if the Ruiz fight was stateside.
Pulev is crap. Knocked out in five one-sided rounds by Klitschko and hasn’t fought anyone good, since.
Povetkin is crap. Can’t pass a drug test and looked extremely ordinary against an even more ordinary Rudenko.
Miller is crap. Vastly overweight. Got hospitalized by Wilder in sparring. Didn’t impress again El Pollo Negro.
Whyte is crap. Got KTFO by Joshua and arguably outpointed by perennial loser Chisora
Breazeale is crap. Slow and lacking skills and well beaten by Joshua, his only rated opponent.
Ruiz is crap. Pillsbury dough-boy who lost against the only half-decent fighter he ever faced.
Etcetera, etcetera …
I’ll stop here before I bore the pants off the lot of you. The conclusion is that everybody is crap … not just today, you can do the same thing to any fighter in history.
No one deserves to be champion. No one should be rated in the top ten … nurse …. NURSE …. N U R S E !
Where’s my medication?
In all seriousness I've given Wilder loads of sh1t on here about the poor quality of his opposition. He should have fought Ortiz before, but if the fight goes ahead I'll give him respect for taking on one of the very best around.
I have to say though. I really don't understand why Wilder would fight Ortiz for less than half what he'd get for fighting Whyte in London. The only explanations I can think of is that he is intent on disproving what people say about him, and sees Ortiz as vulnerable based on his last two fights, and/or that he sees Whyte as a serious threat.
The cynic in me was convinced he was only talking to Ortiz so he could claim he had been willing to fight him once the fight fell apart. That it wasn't his fault when Ortiz decided he'd hold out for his WBA mandatory for a lot more money against Joshua. That theory doesn't look so good now that Stiverne is being paid step-aside money, because it means Wilder has no excuse but to face a quality opponent. If he wasn't looking for a real fight he wouldn't want the Stiverne fight off the table, would he?
Badhusker wrote:I've heard a lot about how poor Ortiz has looked, and how over-rated he is lately. Are boxers really only as good as their last fight? If that was so, Joshua's win over Wlad would mean next to nothing. As poor as Wlad looked vs Fury, no one expected Joshua to struggle with him and almost get KO'd. Instead of the dogshit performance like he had vs Fury, Wlad performed valiantly against Joshua, so people gave Joshua credit like he had just beat a prime Wlad that hadn't been touched in 10 years. Wlad made a tactical error and took his foot off the gas when he could have finished him, and instead got KO'd himself. I guess we all have to put things in proper perspective.
Until Ortiz gets beaten, he is by far more dangerous than any bottom half of the top ten heavyweights. I guarantee he will become shot and over-rated 10 fold if Wilder beats him. People that hate Wilder are already beginning to denigrate Ortiz, just in case.....and if he beats Wilder? It will be Wilder that was horribly over-rated. Credit should go to the winner, but bias and stupidity get in the way more often than not.
If wilder beats Ortiz he should get his dues. Don't let your wilder defensive mentality go over board by saying what people will say
Badhusker wrote:I've heard a lot about how poor Ortiz has looked, and how over-rated he is lately. Are boxers really only as good as their last fight? If that was so, Joshua's win over Wlad would mean next to nothing. As poor as Wlad looked vs Fury, no one expected Joshua to struggle with him and almost get KO'd. Instead of the dogshit performance like he had vs Fury, Wlad performed valiantly against Joshua, so people gave Joshua credit like he had just beat a prime Wlad that hadn't been touched in 10 years. Wlad made a tactical error and took his foot off the gas when he could have finished him, and instead got KO'd himself. I guess we all have to put things in proper perspective.
Until Ortiz gets beaten, he is by far more dangerous than any bottom half of the top ten heavyweights. I guarantee he will become shot and over-rated 10 fold if Wilder beats him. People that hate Wilder are already beginning to denigrate Ortiz, just in case.....and if he beats Wilder? It will be Wilder that was horribly over-rated. Credit should go to the winner, but bias and stupidity get in the way more often than not.
Malik Scott is actualy better than Rudenko or that bum Parker has fought in his recent fight ....
Now i can say that Povetkin is too old and did look terrible in his recent fight ....
And Dave Allen is atleast ranked higher than recent Parker's opponent who Parker did not even hurt once ;)
The point I'm trying to make Kiwi, is that people can say Ortiz is overrated but you can find fault with any fighter who ever lived if you're determined to be an a-hole about it. Ortiz is the best opponent Wilder could face other than Joshua. He looks like age might have caught up with him, which might explain why Wilder is willing to fight him now.
What's changed for me is I now believe the criticism has really got to Wilder and he genuinely means to do something about it. Fair play to him. It's the step-aside payment that has caused me to re-evaluate this.
Thanks for the tip btw but y-fronts don't really go with the basque and suspender-belt
