Joe Frazier vs the Spinks brothers...

[Kalan]

Yeah, but that wasn't Michael Spinks in there... That was Michael Spinks' only loss and his last fight... Spinks cashed out against Tyson because both knees were wrecked. Look at his bundled up knees for that fight, it was laughable... Spinks tried to keep it secret but word leaked out of his camp.

Like Sergio Martinez before the Cotto fight when he fought with shot knees.. You saw no footage of Martinez running, skipping, or sparring on 24/7 so people knew his knees were gone. When he got out of bed in the morning he could barely walk to the bathroom looking like a 100-year-old man..

Like Pacquiao shut out the media and fans for his Floyd fight to hide his shoulder injury.. He signed all his sparring partners to non-disclosure agreements and said he was working on a "secret strategy" so nobody could watch him spar.. You knew he was hiding an injury of some kind.

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It gets better. Now you are claiming Joe Frazier was weak, on the basis of swimming in a completely unimportant television show. To keep Frazier off you need more than strong legs, you need a punch like Foreman, and neither Holmes or Spinks possessed one. The difference being Larry's chin would take Joe's shots, there is nothing to suggest Spinks' would.

The TV show was extremely important and had massive viewership.. As a result they held the SuperStars Competition for YEARS and YEARS.. Anthony Joshua was among the big overall winners and SuperStar Champions.. Frazier was about the worst athlete who ever competed in the event.. He did as poorly versus Foreman as Spinks did versus Tyson.. Spinks was done. His knees were shot and that's the ONLY fight he ever lost... Frazier lost 4 and drew 1.

"Bob Foster couldn't hold off Frazier"

As far as Bob Foster goes... Stringbean Bob NEVER achieved a Heavyweight frame... Skinny Bob never came close to 190 so he should have stayed away from Heavyweights altogether.. Michael Spinks mixed with big Heavyweights like Holmes, Cooney, and Steffen Tangstad -- whooping ass on all of them.

I am well aware of the " TV SHOW " Superstars, and it value as NOTHING more than entertainment. We had it for years in the UK, and one competitor was a guy called Brian Jacks, a tenth dan Judoka. He was able to win the series on the basis of him doing the most " push ups " on parallel bars dozens more in fact than the person closest to him. As the points were accumulative he could afford to either avoid the events he didn't fancy, or just coast to a top 4 or 5 finish. It is no more valid than Gladiators, or any of those other silly programmes. And it means less than nothing as far as measuring how good or bad someone is at their own sport. Formula 1 drivers did very well at the silly programme due to the level of overall fitness they require to do their job.

As for you being able to tell how badly a guys knees are shot in 91 seconds ( including the count ) is plain old B.S.

Spot on.

I can't believe Kalan is citing Joe Frazier's apparent poor performance on what amounted to an early reality TV as a reason as to why Frazier wasn't that great a boxer.

It's irrelevant whether he could swim well, cycle fast, do press ups quickly or touch his toes; what matters is whether Michael or Leon had to strength & the pop in their punches to keep Frazier off them.