max schmeling-max baer

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 13:05

this was a close fight up until the stoppage.

heres my scorecard

round 1: baer
round 2: baer
round 3: schmeling
round 4: schmeling
round 5: schmeling
round 6: Baer
round 7: schmeling
round 8: Even
round 9: Baer

my scorecard after 9 rounds read 4 rounds to 4 with 1 even

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » 03 Apr 2006, 13:08

Wow.A lot of people were telling me Baer was dominating the fight till he KOd him in the 10th.I guess they were wrong 8)

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Apr 2006, 13:09

I was gonna post the same thing , I had heard it was all one way traffic for Baer.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 13:11

baer clowned a lot and got lazy in the mid rounds, and schmeling totally outboxed him. baer looked great though, defintley his peak fight

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Apr 2006, 15:56

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:baer clowned a lot and got lazy in the mid rounds, and schmeling totally outboxed him. baer looked great though, defintley his peak fight

I'd love to see a video of this.

Actually, this fight would give material for an entire movie - probably more so than cinderella man. Never again have there been so many interesting personalities in heavyweigth boxing as in the mid-30s. Louis the kid with the divine talent and the embarassing skin color (for mainstream America). Schmeling the envoy from Nazi Germany (who turned out to be a man of high moral standards). Baer the (half-)Jewish-American dandy. Walcott the cinderalla man. Carnera the clumsy Italian monster. And so on.

Btw, isn't Baer-Carnera considered Baer's finest fight?

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BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 16:03

pundit wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:baer clowned a lot and got lazy in the mid rounds, and schmeling totally outboxed him. baer looked great though, defintley his peak fight
I'd love to see a video of this.

Actually, this fight would give material for an entire movie - probably more so than cinderella man. Never again have there been so many interesting personalities in heavyweigth boxing as in the mid-30s. Louis the kid with the divine talent and the embarassing skin color (for mainstream America). Schmeling the envoy from Nazi Germany (who turned out to be a man of high moral standards). Baer the (half-)Jewish-American dandy. Walcott the cinderalla man. Carnera the clumsy Italian monster. And so on.

Btw, isn't Baer-Carnera considered Baer's finest fight?

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no baers finest fight was defintley schmeling. he clowned a lot in the carnera fight and actually let carnera outbox him in the mid rounds. baer displayed far better defense in the schmeling fight and was much more composed.

walcott the cinderella man? u mean braddock?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Apr 2006, 16:08

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
pundit wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:baer clowned a lot and got lazy in the mid rounds, and schmeling totally outboxed him. baer looked great though, defintley his peak fight
I'd love to see a video of this.

Actually, this fight would give material for an entire movie - probably more so than cinderella man. Never again have there been so many interesting personalities in heavyweigth boxing as in the mid-30s. Louis the kid with the divine talent and the embarassing skin color (for mainstream America). Schmeling the envoy from Nazi Germany (who turned out to be a man of high moral standards). Baer the (half-)Jewish-American dandy. Walcott the cinderalla man. Carnera the clumsy Italian monster. And so on.

Btw, isn't Baer-Carnera considered Baer's finest fight?

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no baers finest fight was defintley schmeling. he clowned a lot in the carnera fight and actually let carnera outbox him in the mid rounds. baer displayed far better defense in the schmeling fight and was much more composed.

walcott the cinderella man? u mean braddock?

Of course I do. My mishap.
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pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Apr 2006, 17:59

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:this was a close fight up until the stoppage.

heres my scorecard

round 1: baer
round 2: baer
round 3: schmeling
round 4: schmeling
round 5: schmeling
round 6: Baer
round 7: schmeling
round 8: Even
round 9: Baer

my scorecard after 9 rounds read 4 rounds to 4 with 1 even

Can you purchase the full fight somewhere? I surfed a bit on the web and didn't find a thing (except a few highlights on a "history of boxing" tape)

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Apr 2006, 18:24

"Carnera" and "finest fight"? never thought I'd live to see the day when those words were used in the same sentence. Hey if you live long enough anythings bound to happen.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 03 Apr 2006, 19:22

Taylor wrote:Wow.A lot of people were telling me Baer was dominating the fight till he KOd him in the 10th.I guess they were wrong 8)

No, those people were right. I have seen this myself. There was nothing close about this fight. Baer dominated most of it.

In Schmeling's own autobiography he admits that he was beaten badly.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:13

Ambling Alp wrote:
Taylor wrote:Wow.A lot of people were telling me Baer was dominating the fight till he KOd him in the 10th.I guess they were wrong 8)
No, those people were right. I have seen this myself. There was nothing close about this fight. Baer dominated most of it.

In Schmeling's own autobiography he admits that he was beaten badly.

lets see ur scorecard if ur so right? i just provided an opinion that proves it was a close fight. film doesnt lie alp

im a good judge i trust my scoring.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:33

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:
Taylor wrote:Wow.A lot of people were telling me Baer was dominating the fight till he KOd him in the 10th.I guess they were wrong 8)
No, those people were right. I have seen this myself. There was nothing close about this fight. Baer dominated most of it.

In Schmeling's own autobiography he admits that he was beaten badly.
lets see ur scorecard if ur so right? i just provided an opinion that proves it was a close fight. film doesnt lie alp

im a good judge i trust my scoring.

So agagin, where can we purchase this?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:43

I seen the fight before. All I really recall was the final round, the brutality was awesome. Baer backhanding Schemling and all but tore his head off.

But more or less, it just showed me, if Baer wasn't such the clown, and really got serious...he probably could have beaten Schmeling at any time, Baer was just one of the most wasted talents the ring ever seen.

Schmeling won alot of rounds because Baer let him, and some were even because Schmeling brought the pain, and Baer obliged enough to swop punches for a while...and ever the showman clown around for the crowd.

One of my favorite fights, even though myself I like Carnera/Baer more cus of so many knockdowns and wild sloppy punches...was a slug fest alot of times.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:47

Schmeling won alot of rounds because Baer let him, and some were even because Schmeling brought the pain, and Baer obliged enough to swop punches for a while...and ever the showman clown around for the crowd.

thank you. amazing how alp keeps denying the fight was close, yet has not given us a scorecard.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:57

Schmeling did win alot more than Baer.

If anyone actually knew the history of Baer, you would know after the Frankie Cambell fight Baer sincerly almost thought of quitting boxing.

And ever since then, with the mishap of Earnie Schaaf getting killed in his next fight after facing Baer (from brain injuries he sustained prior)...Baer started becoming more of a celebrity than boxer.

He clowned around not just to be an attraction, he did because he didnt wanna hurt anybody either----but I think when the time called for him to be a brute, he would pour it on.

He knew he was losing to Schmeling so he dropped the bombs. He knew he was losing to Braddock, so that last round he threw everything he had, yet somehow Braddock survived.

Baer was losing to Schmeling in that fight, but Baer shown he could box, not just be a slugger in that fight---and when he realised he wasn't as good a boxer as the "Black Uhlan" he let loose.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 04 Apr 2006, 02:29

i cant wait to see alps scorecard since he claims baer was well ahead and dominated the fight, YET FILM SUGGESTS OTHERWISE

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 05 Apr 2006, 00:25

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:
Taylor wrote:Wow.A lot of people were telling me Baer was dominating the fight till he KOd him in the 10th.I guess they were wrong 8)
No, those people were right. I have seen this myself. There was nothing close about this fight. Baer dominated most of it.

In Schmeling's own autobiography he admits that he was beaten badly.
lets see ur scorecard if ur so right? i just provided an opinion that proves it was a close fight. film doesnt lie alp

im a good judge i trust my scoring.

Well, most people think they are a good judge. :) I watched it again. Baer was defintely winning this fight before the fight was stopped.

The only rounds that you could possibly give Schmeling were rounds 3,4,and 7. Even then Baer would still be up 6-3 before he won by stoppage in the 10th.
In the first two rounds and the 9th, Baer teed off on Schmeling and had him in trouble. Baer was never in serious trouble himself.
Rounds 5,6, and 8 were alos Baer's. Schmeling did very little offensively in those rounds.
Baer looked amatuerish at times, with his straight up stance and sometimes wild punches. Still he landed many more punches, and many more damaging punches. Even though you could see some of Baer's
punches coming a mile away, Baer connected.

Schmeling didn't have hardly any head movement at all. He kept eating punches from Baer. Schmeling would sometimes move forward, but didn't throw a lot of punches and rarely landed anything meaningful when he did.
Schmleing's right hand was missing in action almost the whole fight.

When Baer knocked him down in the 10th, Schmeling didn't seem to have any idea what to do to survive. Instead of dancing away or clinching, he walked right into Baer and let Baer pound on him more until the referee stopped it.

I have never heard of anyone thinking this was an even fight besides you.
In Schmeling's own autobigraphy, he uses phrases like: He outclassed me, I decisively lost, and it was a humiliating defeat. This in Max Schmeling :An Autobiography by Bonus Book Inc. copyright 1998. p. 89-90.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 05 Apr 2006, 00:37

Baer certainly had more power punches than Schmeling, and sometimes people get influenced by that alot, but Schmeling had a far better jab and skills than Baer, so he landed a few more shots than Baer here and there...just Baer's performance looked better cus he was throwing power shots.

I swear lol they should do CompuBox numbers on these old classic fights, but even that is not reliable.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Apr 2006, 00:51

ur honestly trying to say baer won round 5?

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 05 Apr 2006, 01:07

Of course I am. Maybe you should watch it.
Are you still defending Schmeling in the 2nd fight with Sharkey by saying he was robbed, since when you defend Sharkey you say he fought on even terms with Schmeling for 15 rounds? :)

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Apr 2006, 01:18

Ambling Alp wrote:Of course I am. Maybe you should watch it.
Are you still defending Schmeling in the 2nd fight with Sharkey by saying he was robbed, since when you defend Sharkey you say he fought on even terms with Schmeling for 15 rounds? :)

fought near even 15 rounds. when i take defense of a certain fighter, i have to defend each fighter to the best of my ability. so when i defend sharkey, i take the side of the ref who thought sharkey won and others. however IMHO i thought max won. u have to defend each fighter u choose to defend to the best of ur ability.

let me ask u, do u rate baer over schmeling? if baer fought a rematch vs schmeling, who do u take?

btw, the announcer which was doing the fight had it even entering the 10th round. i know many other posters from other sites who had it dead even entering the 10th

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 05 Apr 2006, 11:03

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:Of course I am. Maybe you should watch it.
Are you still defending Schmeling in the 2nd fight with Sharkey by saying he was robbed, since when you defend Sharkey you say he fought on even terms with Schmeling for 15 rounds? :)
fought near even 15 rounds. when i take defense of a certain fighter, i have to defend each fighter to the best of my ability. so when i defend sharkey, i take the side of the ref who thought sharkey won and others. however IMHO i thought max won. u have to defend each fighter u choose to defend to the best of ur ability.

let me ask u, do u rate baer over schmeling? if baer fought a rematch vs schmeling, who do u take?

btw, the announcer which was doing the fight had it even entering the 10th round. i know many other posters from other sites who had it dead even entering the 10th

In terms of potential Baer ought to be ranked above Schmeling. In terms of achievements it's the other way round. Professionalism on SDchmelings side and the lack thereof on Baers make the difference.

Schmeling outscored Sharkey pretty clearly in my book. The fight was competitive, but this is not the same as even.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 05 Apr 2006, 14:19

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:Of course I am. Maybe you should watch it.
Are you still defending Schmeling in the 2nd fight with Sharkey by saying he was robbed, since when you defend Sharkey you say he fought on even terms with Schmeling for 15 rounds? :)
fought near even 15 rounds. when i take defense of a certain fighter, i have to defend each fighter to the best of my ability. so when i defend sharkey, i take the side of the ref who thought sharkey won and others. however IMHO i thought max won. u have to defend each fighter u choose to defend to the best of ur ability.

That is being dishonest. If you think Schmeling was robbed, you shouldn't be saying Sharkey fought even with him for 15 rounds when you are defending Sharkey. People will respect you more if you are honest. Otherwise, there is no reason to believe anything that you say.
There is nothing wrong with sticking up for Sharkey, but you shouldn't be saying things that you don't believe in just to make your guy look better. I hope in the future that you don't do that.

let me ask u, do u rate baer over schmeling? if baer fought a rematch vs schmeling, who do u take?
I have have Baer just ahead of Schmeling. (I have Baer at #27, Schmeling at #28). It is certainly arguable that Schmeling should be rated better;it certainly is close.

If there was a rematch, I would lean toward Baer again. Schmeling would have to make some adjustments;may be he would be able to, maybe not.

btw, the announcer which was doing the fight had it even entering the 10th round. i know many other posters from other sites who had it dead even entering the 10th

There was no announcer on the tape that I have. Perhaps the announcer that you heard influenced you, I don't know.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 05 Apr 2006, 15:12

Ambling Alp wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
btw, the announcer which was doing the fight had it even entering the 10th round. i know many other posters from other sites who had it dead even entering the 10th
There was no announcer on the tape that I have. Perhaps the announcer that you heard influenced you, I don't know.

Can you please tell me what tapes you hve and where you bought them.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Apr 2006, 15:13

There was no announcer on the tape that I have. Perhaps the announcer that you heard influenced you

i saw what i saw, im not the only one in this topic who thought the fight was dead even after 9

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