ElJefe wrote:Is Holyfield the clearest #1 of all time in any division in boxing? He's got to be up there.
Holy is probably the clearest #1 just because Cruiser has only been around for 40 years and traditionally has been a very weak division because most fighters good enough to be world champ at CW decided to jump straight from Light Heavy straight to the far more prestigious HW crown!! (Roy Jones, Moorer, Byrd, etc).
crusader wrote:#1 is over the top, but Usyk already has stronger wins and has shown better boxing skills than Jirov. The same can probably also be said if we're comparing him to JC Gomez and other established cruiser names.
True but that doesnt mean Jirov wasnt surrounded by similar hype. The guy that wrote this emo-driven thread is clearly a sucker for the hype to rate him as the GREATEST CRUISER ALREADY!!
crusader wrote:If he wins the tournament, lets say by adding wins over Breidis and Gassiev, I think he's got a very strong claim to #2, which a lot of people seem to give to Haye right now.
I think the way it's setup, Usyk will face Dorticos/Kudryashov. Briedis/Gassiev are set to collide.
it's not - Usyk meets Briedis/Perez and Gassiev/Wlodarczyk meet Dorticos/Kudryashov but I agree logically it should be as you said
There's great talent there in the cruiserweight division and some great fights there, like Kudryashov-Dorticos, like all of them. But what happened to the champ, Grigory Drozd? Is he unable to fight anymore due to injury?
Usyk is a amateur world champion and olympic gold medalist undefeated pro ranked #1with never before seen skills at cw and wiping out the cw division which has never been stronger than today. Usyk is the best.
Jumping the gun.
#3 for now. If he wins the WBSS then #2
If he wins the WBSS convincingly there is some argument for #1 but it will take a bit more for me to knock Evander off #1.
KiwiRider wrote:Jumping the gun.
#3 for now. If he wins the WBSS then #2
If he wins the WBSS convincingly there is some argument for #1 but it will take a bit more for me to knock Evander off #1.
Good post. I agree let's just wait to see how he dies in the tournament. Right now any talk about him Is premature
KiwiRider wrote:Jumping the gun.
#3 for now. If he wins the WBSS then #2
If he wins the WBSS convincingly there is some argument for #1 but it will take a bit more for me to knock Evander off #1.
Good post. I agree let's just wait to see how he dies in the tournament. Right now any talk about him Is premature
KiwiRider wrote:Jumping the gun.
#3 for now. If he wins the WBSS then #2
If he wins the WBSS convincingly there is some argument for #1 but it will take a bit more for me to knock Evander off #1.
Good post. I agree let's just wait to see how he dies in the tournament. Right now any talk about him Is premature
Blodhemn wrote:
I think the way it's setup, Usyk will face Dorticos/Kudryashov. Briedis/Gassiev are set to collide.
it's not - Usyk meets Briedis/Perez and Gassiev/Wlodarczyk meet Dorticos/Kudryashov but I agree logically it should be as you said
There's great talent there in the cruiserweight division and some great fights there, like Kudryashov-Dorticos, like all of them. But what happened to the champ, Grigory Drozd? Is he unable to fight anymore due to injury?
Yeah I believe he ofically retired some time ago because of knees problems. would like to see Drozd version from Wlodarczyk fight vs Usyk.
dagilechia wrote:
it's not - Usyk meets Briedis/Perez and Gassiev/Wlodarczyk meet Dorticos/Kudryashov but I agree logically it should be as you said
There's great talent there in the cruiserweight division and some great fights there, like Kudryashov-Dorticos, like all of them. But what happened to the champ, Grigory Drozd? Is he unable to fight anymore due to injury?
Yeah I believe he ofically retired some time ago because of knees problems. would like to see Drozd version from Wlodarczyk fight vs Usyk.
i just check out, there were rumours that he retired but he denied it april 2017 - and he is looking for an opponent, i don't believe he'll ever back and even if he's back I can't see him compete at the same level as before
Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.
Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.
Why do you mention Spinks and Moorer? They weren't cruiserweights.
You can't criticise other people's nostalgic-based opinions if you are personally unable to accurately recall historical events that took place in the real world.
Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.
Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.
As I said in the another post, Holyfield is #1, Usyk is #2..........
I am watching holyfield/qawi to compare. Holyfield looks slow & slugish next to usyk.
Usyk 1
Are you watching fight 1 or fight 2?
Remember, that Evander was actually a novice the first time around & hadn't fully matured at that point.
By the time of the rematch, Holyfield was the 'real deal' & that's the fighter you should be judging.
Usyk is a marvellous Cruiserweight, superb technique, beautiful balance, excellent ring-generalship but is he the best ever? I prefer to reserve judgement on that, but he's certainly in a very select few who might be.
Genuine question that has a big effect on the answer: Are we talking about only their performances as a Cruiser or can our perception of the merits of each Cruiser in contention, be affected by their performances in other weight divisions? Holyfield was a top Heavyweight, as we all know and that does enhance my perception of him as the best Cruiser ever.
Could Usyk win the Heavyweight crown? I believe it's possible, but not very likely. His skills are superior to those of Anthony Joshua he's more elusive (even when stood right in front of his opponent) but it isn't like Joshua is just a huge gorilla, he has plenty of skills of his own. Usyk's one deficiency is that he doesn't carry intimidating power even at Cruiserweight, and I believe Joshua would feel free to go about his business without needing to concern himself with what's coming back at him, and anybody who can't get AJ to be wary of their power is not going to keep him at bay for very long.
Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.
Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.
I open up two OP's so far today and 2 dumb comments by Jip. Watch Dwight Muhammad Quawi vs. Holyfield Fights and then you'll realize how stupid this one was and how ridiculous it is to make an assertion like this after watching this kid fight 2 times on TV.
What is your rush? Your generation loves to anoint these grandiose types of statements about current fighters when they don't come anywhere close to earning it or proving it. Shows that your boxing intellect is really low. Extremely too low to be posting this much.
candyslim wrote:Usyk is a marvellous Cruiserweight, superb technique, beautiful balance, excellent ring-generalship but is he the best ever? I prefer to reserve judgement on that, but he's certainly in a very select few who might be.
Genuine question that has a big effect on the answer: Are we talking about only their performances as a Cruiser or can our perception of the merits of each Cruiser in contention, be affected by their performances in other weight divisions? Holyfield was a top Heavyweight, as we all know and that does enhance my perception of him as the best Cruiser ever.
Could Usyk win the Heavyweight crown? I believe it's possible, but not very likely. His skills are superior to those of Anthony Joshua he's more elusive (even when stood right in front of his opponent) but it isn't like Joshua is just a huge gorilla, he has plenty of skills of his own. Usyk's one deficiency is that he doesn't carry intimidating power even at Cruiserweight, and I believe Joshua would feel free to go about his business without needing to concern himself with what's coming back at him, and anybody who can't get AJ to be wary of their power is not going to keep him at bay for very long.
Exactly. Usyk a better boxer than aj. But aj just simply has a huge advantage in height reach punching power.
He would like u said go about his business not being intimidated by usyks power.
Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.
Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.
I open up two OP's so far today and 2 dumb comments by Jip. Watch Dwight Muhammad Quawi vs. Holyfield Fights and then you'll realize how stupid this one was and how ridiculous it is to make an assertion like this after watching this kid fight 2 times on TV.
What is your rush? Your generation loves to anoint these grandiose types of statements about current fighters when they don't come anywhere close to earning it or proving it. Shows that your boxing intellect is really low. Extremely too low to be posting this much.
Earning olympic gold medal, boxing and defeating champions glowacki and ex champions huck is not earning proving anything. You are so right. Keep them nostalgia glasses on.
Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.
Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.
I open up two OP's so far today and 2 dumb comments by Jip. Watch Dwight Muhammad Quawi vs. Holyfield Fights and then you'll realize how stupid this one was and how ridiculous it is to make an assertion like this after watching this kid fight 2 times on TV.
What is your rush? Your generation loves to anoint these grandiose types of statements about current fighters when they don't come anywhere close to earning it or proving it. Shows that your boxing intellect is really low. Extremely too low to be posting this much.
Earning olympic gold medal, boxing and defeating champions glowacki and ex champions huck is not earning proving anything. You are so right. Keep them nostalgia glasses on.
Go for a walk or something. Do something different for a little bit so the adults can talk please?
ElJefe wrote:Is Holyfield the clearest #1 of all time in any division in boxing? He's got to be up there.
Holy is probably the clearest #1 just because Cruiser has only been around for 40 years and traditionally has been a very weak division because most fighters good enough to be world champ at CW decided to jump straight from Light Heavy straight to the far more prestigious HW crown!! (Roy Jones, Moorer, Byrd, etc).
threads like this usually crop up like mushrooms after a hard rain once the favourite boxer wins 