Sorry to burst your bubble but he was number #1 p4p before his losses. Even the best #1s lose just like Pacquiao, Hopkins, Jones, Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker, Chavez did before. Being #1 doesn't mean you are invisible.BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Looked "shot" since the second half of the Cuadras fight.
Never was P4P #1 to begin with.
Maybe now others will join the flock of reality.
I think you mean "invincible."halfamill wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble but he was number #1 p4p before his losses. Even the best #1s lose just like Pacquiao, Hopkins, Jones, Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker, Chavez did before. Being #1 doesn't mean you are invisible.BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Looked "shot" since the second half of the Cuadras fight.
Never was P4P #1 to begin with.
Maybe now others will join the flock of reality.
Enlightened-One wrote:Even though I considered Chocolotito as a marvellous pugilist a year or so ago, I couldn't help feeling that HBO's hype machine elevated him to being considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.
I'm not saying this armed with the benefit of hindsight either, since I've always maintained this stance.
I'll give him credit though, he was a really exciting fighter.
I can't help thinking that HBO unduly influences the journalists at The Ring and also ESPN, whose judgement results in the production of these pound-for-pound lists.
For instance, Oscar De La Hoya owns GBP, which has very close ties to HBO. He also owns The Ring publication. GBP also works with ESPN.
Dan Rafael (ESPN) seems to always lavish great praise on those affiliated to HBO or ESPN, but he's usually far less complementary about fighters or promoters linked to Showtime and the PBC.
When Thomas Hauser used to be an independent journalist, he used to criticise HBO. However, he now works for them and no longer publishes derogatory articles about his employer. Instead his work is used to undermine Showtime events (i.e. the Mayweather IV scandal that was strategically published during one of Money May's fight weeks that was subsequently proven to be untrue).
I suspect I'll be ridiculed for this opinion, but I do feel that HBO's hype machine and their previously powerful influence over the sport has resulted in their fighters having better pound-for-pound and divisional rankings of those published by ESPN and also The Ring, which subsequently influences the content of other media outlets.
If I was invisible, I could be P4P#1.RScarf1 wrote:I think you mean "invincible."halfamill wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble but he was number #1 p4p before his losses. Even the best #1s lose just like Pacquiao, Hopkins, Jones, Mosley, De la Hoya, Whitaker, Chavez did before. Being #1 doesn't mean you are invisible.BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Looked "shot" since the second half of the Cuadras fight.
Never was P4P #1 to begin with.
Maybe now others will join the flock of reality.
It appears that your fake condescending and theatrical laughter is wasted, as you clearly didn't read what I wrote.caldo2025 wrote:Enlightened-One wrote:Even though I considered Chocolotito as a marvellous pugilist a year or so ago, I couldn't help feeling that HBO's hype machine elevated him to being considered the very best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.
I'm not saying this armed with the benefit of hindsight either, since I've always maintained this stance.
I'll give him credit though, he was a really exciting fighter.
I can't help thinking that HBO unduly influences the journalists at The Ring and also ESPN, whose judgement results in the production of these pound-for-pound lists.
For instance, Oscar De La Hoya owns GBP, which has very close ties to HBO. He also owns The Ring publication. GBP also works with ESPN.
Dan Rafael (ESPN) seems to always lavish great praise on those affiliated to HBO or ESPN, but he's usually far less complementary about fighters or promoters linked to Showtime and the PBC.
When Thomas Hauser used to be an independent journalist, he used to criticise HBO. However, he now works for them and no longer publishes derogatory articles about his employer. Instead his work is used to undermine Showtime events (i.e. the Mayweather IV scandal that was strategically published during one of Money May's fight weeks that was subsequently proven to be untrue).
I suspect I'll be ridiculed for this opinion, but I do feel that HBO's hype machine and their previously powerful influence over the sport has resulted in their fighters having better pound-for-pound and divisional rankings of those published by ESPN and also The Ring, which subsequently influences the content of other media outlets.
HAHAH...ok so this is what you do? Instead of posting that you were wrong about Choco being anywhere near the top of P4P list, you are going to blame HBO? ESPN? RAFAEL? I've told you from the start how ridiculous it was to have this Roman Gonzo lovefest P4P BS. But you went on and on about how great the guy was. You are one of the many that drank the Kool-Aid so be a man and take the blame.
Exactly. Ring, Transnational boxing, and ESPN all him in the top 10 p4p list before he made his hbo debut. He was the only boxer to have 4 consecutive fights against top 10 fighters after Mayweather's retirement which helped establish him as the the pound for pound king. It has nothing to do with HBO or any hype machine. What would HBO even get out of hyping a super flyweight from a country many people have never heard of and doesn't speak English when they can hype so many other marketable fighters from marketable countries.Mexi-Box wrote:You are all pathetic. "Level of competition wasn't there." Bunch of casuals I swear. He was p4p #1 at one point. It couldn't have been disputed unless you know nothing about boxing. He's in his 4th weight class and fought everyone.
jujigatame wrote:I hope Rungvisai/Inoue happens ASAP.