Calzaghe fight KESSLER god damnid

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Apr 2006, 23:39

If you want to prove you are one of the best this is the ONLY fight for you out there - and you know it.

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Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 04 Apr 2006, 04:01

Get over it,Kessler has proved fornicate all to this date. Why are you so facinated about Kessler, He has good skills,good jab, average power and ordinary defence. Calzaghe is a step above him at the moment.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Apr 2006, 04:15

there's loads of fights out there for him. Beyer, Woods, Johnson, Tarver, Briggs, Adamek. Kessler is but one of these men, though he'd bring as much to the table as any of them as I see it.

fighters these days don't just select foes thinking 'hmm, that one, he'll secure my legacy, let's take it'. Hopkins never went into that 2003 Toney fight, Jones wouldn't fight Tarver when he was (ironically) actually able to beat him, Toney never went near Juan Carlos Gomez because if he did

the only guy in the sport obsessed with conquering the biggest baddest around was Lacy, who got humiliated for his troubles.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Apr 2006, 06:51

Manny Pacquaio has the best resume recently of anyone out there. Marquez, Barrera, Morales twice in pretty close order it some record, and looks to face Larios, Morales and Barrera again.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:05

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny Pacquaio has the best resume recently of anyone out there. Marquez, Barrera, Morales twice in pretty close order it some record, and looks to face Larios, Morales and Barrera again.

forgot Pacquiao. it is definitely a major thing going up from fly to conquer s/bantam, and then doing the same from s/bantam to crush Barrera & Morales at feather and super feather!

i suppose Castillo and Corrales as well, with their 2004 resumees and fights w/ each other

usually different with long reigning champs. they always take too many risks after being dethroned

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:12

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny Pacquaio has the best resume recently of anyone out there. Marquez, Barrera, Morales twice in pretty close order it some record, and looks to face Larios, Morales and Barrera again.

Why should he need to keep fighting Morales again though?

Can understand fighting Barrera being the champ and all and some saying it was a bad night for Barrera but Morales looks out of it making such low weight all those years.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:36

Max Molyneux wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Manny Pacquaio has the best resume recently of anyone out there. Marquez, Barrera, Morales twice in pretty close order it some record, and looks to face Larios, Morales and Barrera again.
Why should he need to keep fighting Morales again though?

Can understand fighting Barrera being the champ and all and some saying it was a bad night for Barrera but Morales looks out of it making such low weight all those years.

morales had a rematch clause.

still think that broken nose played a part in morales struggling so badly. maybe i'm clutching at straws and i'm wrong, but u never know until they get it on again.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:47

pundit wrote:If you want to prove you are one of the best this is the ONLY fight for you out there - and you know it.

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Hasnt he proved hes already the best, wat more does he have to do I DONT FU CKING CARE WAT ANYONE SAYS KESSLER CUDNT HAVE DONE THAT TO LACY

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:04

I get the impression Morales is backing out. He's saying he can't make the weight any more and it will have to be at lightweight.

Maybe the busted nose was the factor, after all, Pacman said the blisters he had on his feet when he fought Marquez, prevented him setting himself after the 1st round.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:31

pundit wrote:If you want to prove you are one of the best this is the ONLY fight for you out there - and you know it.

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Shut...the...fook...up!

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:36

Pundit's like Dumb and Dumber all rolled into one

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Apr 2006, 11:39

Razor wrote:
pundit wrote:If you want to prove you are one of the best this is the ONLY fight for you out there - and you know it.

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Hasnt he proved hes already the best, wat more does he have to do I DONT FU CKING CARE WAT ANYONE SAYS KESSLER CUDNT HAVE DONE THAT TO LACY

He hasn't.
All he did was taking a cheap fight against a handlsected slugger.
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pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Apr 2006, 11:41

viciousmaussa wrote:there's loads of fights out there for him. Beyer, Woods, Johnson, Tarver, Briggs, Adamek. Kessler is but one of these men, though he'd bring as much to the table as any of them as I see it.

fighters these days don't just select foes thinking 'hmm, that one, he'll secure my legacy, let's take it'. Hopkins never went into that 2003 Toney fight, Jones wouldn't fight Tarver when he was (ironically) actually able to beat him, Toney never went near Juan Carlos Gomez because if he did

the only guy in the sport obsessed with conquering the biggest baddest around was Lacy, who got humiliated for his troubles.

Meaning: Calzaghe won't fight Kessler because he could lose.
This is how I see it too.
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Loynesy · Post by **Loynesy** » 04 Apr 2006, 12:14

Pundit: if you think Calzaghe is avoiding Kessler because he thinks he will lose you are at best naive and at worst an idiot.

He simply isn't marketable.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 04 Apr 2006, 12:31

Loynesy wrote:Pundit: if you think Calzaghe is avoiding Kessler because he thinks he will lose you are at best naive and at worst an idiot.

He simply isn't marketable.

He may not be the most reconized boxer, but you do have to feel that he is a certain threat to Calzaghe at SMW. I remember Joe saying he's waited 8 years to unify, why quit now, so, I hope he doesn't take a Beyer fight, and consider work at SMW done. He should try to unify before taking a celebrity fight, especially seeing that he's one of the few fighters who spends a career at 1 weight.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Apr 2006, 12:34

Loynesy wrote:Pundit: if you think Calzaghe is avoiding Kessler because he thinks he will lose you are at best naive and at worst an idiot.

He simply isn't marketable.

Yes, Evans Ashira was much more marketable, or course. And so was Mgr Myckshfduyt8a - or is Otis Grant, for that matter.

Purchase a brain - they sell the cheaply on e-bay. Then we talk again (including about boxing).

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 04 Apr 2006, 12:47

I actually agree that Kessler would be the best fight for Joe if he wants to build his legacy. It may not be a massive money spinning fight but Kesslers record is fantastic against quality opposition and he's still only 27. And anyway, it's not as though Joe struggles to sell tickets as it is. I think Joe gets more credit from boxing fans and pundits in general for a win over him than any of Woods, Jones, Johnson and maybe even Tarver. Kesslers dominant win over Mundine in Sydney was superb, it's just unfortunate he hasn't had any exposure over here or in the US.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Apr 2006, 12:55

Whilst I think Joe could sell a Kessler fight to the public, nobody really knows who he is. The problem is that Joe probably wants either an easy fight for a big payday, or a more risky fight for a massive payday.

Kessler doesn't fit into either cateogory. He's good enough to be a risk, but not well known enough to make for a fight which was any bigger than a standard defence for Calzaghe, or at least not enough more for Calzaghe to take a risk.

For me, fights against Woods and Johnson are still risky propositions, moreso Johnson who I think has a good enough inside game to take the fight to Calzaghe, and either would be a better sell for a fight at home.

I would like to see the Kessler fight made, but understand why it will probably never happen.

It's the same reason that Mayweather has no interest in Margarito, and fought instead against Gatti. It's why a lot of fighters never unify the titles, but prefer to weight hop.

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 04 Apr 2006, 13:05

Do you think Kesslers career has been much different than Joes?

When Joe was 27 he was 28-0, Kessler is 37-0 at 27.

Joe was 22-0 when challenging for the WBO title, aged 24.

Kessler was 34-0 when challenging for the WBA title, aged 25.

At age 27, Joes last six opponents were David Starie (W12), Rick Thornberry (W12), Robin Reid (W12), Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra (TKO10), Branko Sobot (TKO3) and Chris Eubank (W12).

At age 27, Kesslers last six opponents have beeen Eric Lucas (TKO10), Anthony Mundine (W12), Manny Siaca (TKO8), Andre Thysse (TKO11), Julio Caesar Green (KO1) and Henry Porras (TKO9).

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 04 Apr 2006, 13:06

Woods isn't even a top LHW fighter, he wouldn't be a tough fight for Joe by any means. It's a big fight for England, but on the World scene, Clinton has left a lot on the table.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 04 Apr 2006, 13:19

Mattyp151 wrote:Woods isn't even a top LHW fighter, he wouldn't be a tough fight for Joe by any means. It's a big fight for England, but on the World scene, Clinton has left a lot on the table.

I would say Woods is a top LHW fighter, the way he handled Gonzales proves this. I think he has improved alot since the Johnson fights. I'd pick him to beat Tarver, who doesn't impress me at all. British loyalty swaying my pick ? Probably

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 04 Apr 2006, 14:18

Neri1983 wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:Woods isn't even a top LHW fighter, he wouldn't be a tough fight for Joe by any means. It's a big fight for England, but on the World scene, Clinton has left a lot on the table.
I would say Woods is a top LHW fighter, the way he handled Gonzales proves this. I think he has improved alot since the Johnson fights. I'd pick him to beat Tarver, who doesn't impress me at all. British loyalty swaying my pick ? Probably

Gonzales made a career off of beating an old DM, and stealing a win from Johnson. He lost to Erdei, who hasn't proved that he is truly that good, let alone enough to be "lineal". Honestly, if you watched Montell Griffin in his last fight, and seeing that even he beat Gonzalez pretty solidly before it was stopped, you have to wonder if Julio has anything left.

Woods has much more to do at LHW before he worries about fighting a guy from SMW. As Joe has work to do at SMW before worrying about Woods. I just don't see the point of this fight for Joe, as it proves nothing at LHW. You want to make a statement before you retire, go after Adamek, Tarver, Kessler, and Beyer, and then I won't question.

fist · Post by **fist** » 04 Apr 2006, 14:34

Im impressed with the number of fights Kessler has had which have been scheduled for 12 rounds. Tons of experience.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Apr 2006, 14:35

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Whilst I think Joe could sell a Kessler fight to the public, nobody really knows who he is. The problem is that Joe probably wants either an easy fight for a big payday, or a more risky fight for a massive payday.

Kessler doesn't fit into either cateogory. He's good enough to be a risk, but not well known enough to make for a fight which was any bigger than a standard defence for Calzaghe, or at least not enough more for Calzaghe to take a risk.

For me, fights against Woods and Johnson are still risky propositions, moreso Johnson who I think has a good enough inside game to take the fight to Calzaghe, and either would be a better sell for a fight at home.

I would like to see the Kessler fight made, but understand why it will probably never happen.

It's the same reason that Mayweather has no interest in Margarito, and fought instead against Gatti. It's why a lot of fighters never unify the titles, but prefer to weight hop.

The Risk-return ratio isn't right; and risk-return is what risk-adverse F.rank Warren has in mind. This is what I've been saying all along.

With one point I disagree though: Kessler would of course be significantly bigger than the "standard Calzaghe defense" against folks like Ashira, Jimenez, Mgr Mgrk...., McIntyre, Pudwill, Thornberry, Salem, Ferreyra, or Sobot. Quality-wise this would be Calzaghe's best fight ever. And as regards marketability, only a few fights at light-heavyweight may have a bigger pull -- Woods, Tarver, Johnson, Jones -- and perhaps Beyer at s-m. But certainly not Otis Grant, which may be his next opponent according to rumour.

After all, a bout against Kessler would still be a unification fight for a relatively highly regarded belt. And Calzaghe hasn't been in too many of these, has he?

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mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 04 Apr 2006, 14:45

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's the same reason that Mayweather has no interest in Margarito, and fought instead against Gatti. It's why a lot of fighters never unify the titles, but prefer to weight hop.

I understand where you're coming from, but Margarito doesn't have the following that Kessler does. Kessler has a stake at the SMW division, no one questions that. But with Margarito taking on some of the fighters he has, he is really just getting lost in the shuffle of big names at WW.

Not to make this a Margarito/Mayweather #386 thread, but I do think Mayweather should get in there with WW version of Jeff Lacy and kick the shit out of him.

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