The "Fix" Is In- Bayless-Moretti-Byrd working THE FIGHT Saturday.

[KiwiRider]

Kenny "fondling hands" Bayless is my least favourite ref from all the top guys. To be fair to him, he does fondle the fighters a lot less these days. Maybe age is creeping up with him? But I have never seen a ref get his hands between fighters as much as dirty old Kenny.
GGG needs a KO, he knows that, we know it too.

[lefty]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

That's a good call.

[Tanzio]

GGG better not be taking a knee from any low blows....

Now THAT is a scenario that I can entertain. GingerHead hits 3G low. 3G smirks, hesitates for a second, and attacks mercilessly, landing a devastating body shot on the belt that drops GingerHead to the canvas writhing in pain. A point is taken away from 3G before Bayliss decides that the blow was so egregious that GingerHead cannot continue. It goes to a TD that GingerHead wins on the power of the deducted point.

[gilgamesh]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

I'm TTR's Round by Round Expert, and I wrote up an article about the Fight. Unless something doesn't go according to plan you can always expect me to be watching thoroughly and scoring with the utmost attention to the fight.

If I ever aren't doing that, I don't even bother to mention what my score was, but I usually only turn off like that in fights where I feel the end result is an inevitable lopsided KO or shutout anyway, and it's become VERY obvious.

Pacquiao vs Tim Bradley 1 was an absolute robbery. I had it 117-111 Pac. Kov vs Ward 1 wasn't a robbery, but I had it for Kov, 115-112 I think. Pac vs Horn was pretty clear win for Pac I thought.

[lefty]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

I'm TTR's Round by Round Expert, and I wrote up an article about the Fight. Unless something doesn't go according to plan you can always expect me to be watching thoroughly and scoring with the utmost attention to the fight.

If I ever aren't doing that, I don't even bother to mention what my score was, but I usually only turn off like that in fights where I feel the end result is an inevitable lopsided KO or shutout anyway, and it's become VERY obvious.

you sound like Jip.

[crusader]

Ya, in no way do I see how Bradley came close to deserving the Pac win, though I know Tanzio is intransigent on it and arguing about it will go nowhere

[gilgamesh]

I'm TTR's Round by Round Expert, and I wrote up an article about the Fight. Unless something doesn't go according to plan you can always expect me to be watching thoroughly and scoring with the utmost attention to the fight.

If I ever aren't doing that, I don't even bother to mention what my score was, but I usually only turn off like that in fights where I feel the end result is an inevitable lopsided KO or shutout anyway, and it's become VERY obvious.

you sound like Jip.

Yeah, but I'm not just making sh*t up. I didn't dub myself that, somebody else dubbed me that. Because I do RBR so thoroughly on the13thround. If you look on there under my name it actually says that. I think I do the title justice.

[Tanzio]

Ya, in no way do I see how Bradley came close to deserving the Pac win, though I know Tanzio is intransigent on it and arguing about it will go nowhere

no more "intransigent" than you are.

[crusader]

maybe not

[Jip]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

Nonsense

[Tanzio]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

Nonsense

. . . according to Jiplan.

[Enlightened-One]

I've read some utterly ridiculous claims in this thread and I'd like someone to provide justification for their bold and highly defamatory accusations.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality where facts really do matter. So now it's time for someone to "man up" and defend their stance or to "man down", by admitting they were wrong, if they are unable to answer the following simple question...

When have Adalaide Byrd, Dave Moretti, Don Trella and Kenny Bayless clearly demonstrated an unreasonable amount of bias that Canelo clearly benefited from?

[boxing_rocks]

Moretti gave the widest card to Canelo against Cotto, the widest card to Mayweather against Pacquiao. He always follows money.

[Evander]

Who's flying the white flag ?

Has someone given in before we have started ?

[caldo2025]

Sanchez said that if they are robbed, it would be their fault. They know what they are up against, so Golovkin will not coast to a narrow decision victory.

Did Sanchez really say this? I've been wondering why I haven't heard anything like this. If i'm Sanchez or GGG's team, i'm drawing all the attention I can to the fact that this fight is stacked against them in the hopes that calling it out before would make it harder for them to follow through with the fix.

I honestly think that it may affect the action in the ring as well. I think Canelo and GB's goal is to not get knocked out because they know the edge they have on the cards. We could end up seeing a safe fight by Canelo if it's possible in there with GGG and the way he cuts of the ring so well.

[caldo2025]

As this draws closer im starting to think GGG is going to smash canelo up. Canelo has never fought anyone of that level who he didnt have serious physical advantages over. Chavez jr was just a walking punchbag who came for the payday and canelos shots had no effect despite being hit with impugnity round after round.

Canelo is in for a rude awakening when he starts getting hit.

I'm starting to feel the same way my friend. Daniel Jacobs is so much better than everyone thinks. People say GGG is slipping or showing age because he struggled with Jacobs but damn, that's a fantastic boxer who was much bigger on fight night and he had an excellent game plan with the weight gain and southpaw switch. Jacobs looked like a light heavyweight that night and GGG beat him. If the roles were reversed and Canelo faced Jacobs under the same circumstances, I just don't see how Canelo wins that fight.

I can't imagine GGG losing to a smaller fighter. Brook had his moments but Brook was the taller and heavier as most believed come the time of their fight. Canelo is slick...his combinations and feints are top notch but if GGG pumps that jab like he did with Lemieux, Canelo will have to take some dangerous risks to land.

[caldo2025]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

I see the point that you are trying to make here but I don't agree. Just because a fight is close and could go either way, doesn't mean that it's not corrupt. For the top fights, I rewatch them again the next day or two and I pull up the actual scorecards from the judges. I score my round and then check the round against the actual judges scores and it's there where you see the ridiculousness that is boxing.

For example, you reference Kov/Ward 1 and I challenge you to go back and watch the second half of that fight with one eye on the actual scorecards. It will blow your mind how badly that fight was scored in the second half. Though the action was tight overall, judges had to go out of their way to score almost every round from 6-12 for Ward.

So no, i've never agreed with this view you've had on close fights and what could be considered bad decisions.

[Jip]

Moretti gave the widest card to Canelo against Cotto, the widest card to Mayweather against Pacquiao. He always follows money.

Correct

[Tanzio]

How about we all score the fight and determine for ourselves who won? When I suggest that we score the fight, that does not mean between shots of tequila, and drags off a bong while your choice of hallucinogen kicks in. It does not mean gifting the fight to who you would like to have win based on a KD early in the fight. It does not mean flying with the flock who consider scoring a fight paying some attention to the entire contest (more or less).

It means paying close attention to the entirety of the fight. Watching every moment and scoring every round as a battle worth 1/12th of the entire war. It means drawing your own conclusions based on what you saw and having the wherewithal to defend your position against all comers, including the majority opinion, if necessary.

FMJ did not win every round v GingerHead.

Pac v Ramming Speed I and Krushedner v SOGgy I were very close fights, that could have gone either way, that the judges got right, imo. Pac v Horn was also left too close by Pac, although I felt that he won.

None of those three fights were robberies.

While it is impossible to do comprehensively, try to be as objective as possible, no matter how much you hate or love one or the other fighter. There are injustices in boxing but nowhere near as many as so many people have convinced themselves of through organic or ingested fantasy.

I see the point that you are trying to make here but I don't agree. Just because a fight is close and could go either way, doesn't mean that it's not corrupt. For the top fights, I rewatch them again the next day or two and I pull up the actual scorecards from the judges. I score my round and then check the round against the actual judges scores and it's there where you see the ridiculousness that is boxing.

For example, you reference Kov/Ward 1 and I challenge you to go back and watch the second half of that fight with one eye on the actual scorecards. It will blow your mind how badly that fight was scored in the second half. Though the action was tight overall, judges had to go out of their way to score almost every round from 6-12 for Ward.

So no, i've never agreed with this view you've had on close fights and what could be considered bad decisions.

SOGgy won almost every round from 6-12. Whether or not an official scored the fight round by round the way I did makes no difference to me.

Most who claim that Krushedner v SOGgy was a robbery point at the fact that all three judges scored round 10 for SOGgy. They claim that is evidence of corruption. They claim that round 10 was totally dominated by Krushedner.

Complete delusion.

The 10th round was very close. I scored it for Krushedner, barely. It could easily be scored for SOGgy.

There were many close rounds in that fight. The problem with the Kovalytes is they stopped watching closely after the KD.

I have never vehemently argued that SOGgy clearly won that fight. It was very close. But, the only reason it was that close is because of one punch, which led a huge portion of the audience to start the wake for SOGgy early.

[montrealsuper]

Floyd didn't need protection, hell, one of the worst cards a judge has given in ages was the draw for canelo when he lost every round against Floyd. GGG knows what he's in for.

He needed protection definitely in the Castillo fight and while he comfortably beat Judah, he didn't win 11 of 12 rounds and he didn't win 9 rounds in the first Maidana fight. But on the flip side, Guerrero didn't win 3 rounds and De La Hoya didn't win 7 rounds.

Castillo was long before he was a mega star. He immediately rematched him and won comfortably. That's all you have to cling to. Sucks jlc didn't get the nod, he'd likely make the hof if he had.[/quote

How do you know Castillo wasn't bonused to play soft in the rematch the way Canelo (and very very likely MANY others) was vs Floyd?

[Tanzio]

He needed protection definitely in the Castillo fight and while he comfortably beat Judah, he didn't win 11 of 12 rounds and he didn't win 9 rounds in the first Maidana fight. But on the flip side, Guerrero didn't win 3 rounds and De La Hoya didn't win 7 rounds.

Castillo was long before he was a mega star. He immediately rematched him and won comfortably. That's all you have to cling to. Sucks jlc didn't get the nod, he'd likely make the hof if he had.[/quote

How do you know Castillo wasn't bonused to play soft in the rematch the way Canelo (and very very likely MANY others) was vs Floyd?

You are like a tiny bit of a cat's hairball that got stuck under the nail of a fungus infected large toe, after being gagged up.

[Borge]

Jacobs would spangle Canelo. He'd be a reasonable fight for any recent middleweight. He was on the ball that night, had 30 odd hours to rehydrate and came into the ring massive. He lost to Pirog who was a beast, but that was years ago. Pirog beat the shit out of him but Jacobs has come on since then.

Golovkin will jab then smash Canelo's face in later.

[IKSRTFO]

He needed protection definitely in the Castillo fight and while he comfortably beat Judah, he didn't win 11 of 12 rounds and he didn't win 9 rounds in the first Maidana fight. But on the flip side, Guerrero didn't win 3 rounds and De La Hoya didn't win 7 rounds.

Castillo was long before he was a mega star. He immediately rematched him and won comfortably. That's all you have to cling to. Sucks jlc didn't get the nod, he'd likely make the hof if he had.[/quote

How do you know Castillo wasn't bonused to play soft in the rematch the way Canelo (and very very likely MANY others) was vs Floyd?

Like I said before, he wasn't a megastar but he was a bigger star than Castillo and a bigger draw. Nobody cared who Castillo was before the Floyd fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Nobody? Stevie Johnston sure did.

[IKSRTFO]

Nobody? Stevie Johnston sure did.

He thought Castillo was just an opponent and was basically beaten and then he rematched him. This how bigger a draw Castillo was than Mayweather, he fought on the undercard of Mayweather vs Corrales as the lightweight champion AFTER he beat Johnston.