Wilder vs Ortiz is On 4.11 2017

[stellar]

it is finally happening
Deontay wilder vs Luis Ortiz
BREAZELE vs Stiverne
Daniel Jacobs vs TBA

[asdfjkl]

I hope they still get tested today while that lab is still suspended, tomorrow that suspension is over and that lab can probably claim Wilder and Stiverne are innocent again. I hope Ortiz and Breazeale don't magically turn out to be doping users just a few days before the fights happen.

[Ossyrules]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

[Ossyrules]

Nice fights though

[KiwiRider]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

He sure did
Love to know how much. Hope he invests it wisely because it is his second to last payday...

[candyslim]

That's wonderful news. I've been extremely critical of Deontay Wilder and although I think that was fully deserved, I'm delighted to see him step up and fight a live one at last. Hopefully the fight goes ahead and Wilder makes me eat my words.

I wonder who they've got lined up for Miller. Whyte is probably fighting Browne in Cardiff so unless that falls through it won't be him. Hopefully it'll be someone with a pulse who might test him. Andy Ruiz Jnr. would get my vote.

[asdfjkl]

I also really hope Wilder makes me eat my words, I don't even care any more if he loses, he would still earnqq more respect as he currently has.

[caldo2025]

I refuse to give Wilder ANY credit for a fight until he physically climbs over the ropes and takes his robe off...actually not even yet will I give him credit. Once the bell rings and the first few punches are thrown, he should get all the credit in the world for this one.

This would be a gigantic win for Wilder and would set the stage for the unification fight(s) on the table. Can't wait.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I hope they still get tested today while that lab is still suspended, tomorrow that suspension is over and that lab can probably claim Wilder and Stiverne are innocent again. I hope Ortiz and Breazeale don't magically turn out to be doping users just a few days before the fights happen.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

Why wouldn't he? It's a bigger payday. Though I'll believe this when Ortiz is in the ring. If he actually fights wilder it's a 50/50 fight.

[Ossyrules]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

Why wouldn't he? It's a bigger payday. Though I'll believe this when Ortiz is in the ring. If he actually fights wilder it's a 50/50 fight.

If you're motivated completely by money it makes sense. If you like money and want to be champion it's a strange one

Agreed it's a 50/50 fight. Great for the division

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

Why wouldn't he? It's a bigger payday. Though I'll believe this when Ortiz is in the ring. If he actually fights wilder it's a 50/50 fight.

If you're motivated completely by money it makes sense. If you like money and want to be champion it's a strange one

Agreed it's a 50/50 fight. Great for the division

If you like money and want to be a champion why would it be strange to take on a competitive higher paying fight? If he beats breazeale he might get a TV station that would actually watch him fight wilder. If Ortiz and he win he can probably sell that. It makes sense/cents in every way.

[Ossyrules]

Why wouldn't he? It's a bigger payday. Though I'll believe this when Ortiz is in the ring. If he actually fights wilder it's a 50/50 fight.

If you're motivated completely by money it makes sense. If you like money and want to be champion it's a strange one

Agreed it's a 50/50 fight. Great for the division

If you like money and want to be a champion why would it be strange to take on a competitive higher paying fight? If he beats breazeale he might get a TV station that would actually watch him fight wilder. If Ortiz and he win he can probably sell that. It makes sense/cents in every way.

Just seems strange to give up your shot like that. How much more money is he getting for breazeale including step aside money?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

If you're motivated completely by money it makes sense. If you like money and want to be champion it's a strange one

Agreed it's a 50/50 fight. Great for the division

If you like money and want to be a champion why would it be strange to take on a competitive higher paying fight? If he beats breazeale he might get a TV station that would actually watch him fight wilder. If Ortiz and he win he can probably sell that. It makes sense/cents in every way.

Just seems strange to give up your shot like that. How much more money is he getting for breazeale including step aside money?

I don't know the exact figure, probably at least double. There was no money in the wilder rematch.

[candyslim]

It is a strange one for a man obsessed with fighting Wilder again who wasn't going to accept any sum of money to step-aside. Talk is cheap I know but I'm sure he (Stiverne) was told what was going to happen by the WBC.

I don't believe Ortiz has ever been afraid to fight anyone, not Wilder not Joshua, anyone. If there was any possibility Ortiz was going to be the one to walk away it would have been because he worked out he would get a hell of a sight more money for fighting Joshua in London.

Now he's counting on being able to get past Wilder and claiming his place at the 3 belts (4 if you count IBO) unification. That shows tremendous self belief and I respect his decision immensely.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, you're definitely still wrong there.

[candyslim]

I'll consider any argument Saad, you may even convince me I'm wrong but a simple "You're wrong" doesn't really cut it.

[montrealsuper]

Stiverne took step aside money to fight on the undercard?

He probably was ordered and rewarded by haymon to wait one more fight. Stiverne is legally bound to get the next crack at Wilder. The fact he's not raising any stink shows he's a haymon puppet stooge who will take the dive in the rematch.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'll consider any argument Saad, you may even convince me I'm wrong but a simple "You're wrong" doesn't really cut it.

I've already spelled it out for you. I'm not going to waste time past telling you that you're wrong. Not just a little, wrong beyond any doubt.

[candyslim]

Well I made two statements. (1) The WBC must have told Stiverne what was happening and (2) Ortiz isn't scared of anyone.

I assume it's the first statement you take exception to but it's the only explanation that makes any sense: He swore he wanted Wilder not the money. He takes the money and instead of waiting for Wilder or maybe taking someone rated who he could easily beat (Fujimoto for example), he picks someone that many including me would favour to beat him. If he loses that's the end of his Wilder dream. It doesn't make sense if he wasn't encouraged to go that route and nothing you've said on the subject addresses that fundamental absence of logic.