Tommy Morrison documentary

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Premieres on the Watch ESPN app today. I think it will be interesting. That's all.
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I would like to watch it, but I don't have the app. Is it free?
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My understanding is that the App is free, but you have to subscribe to ESPN somehow, through cable or Direct Tv or something to be able to view the shows on the App.
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Re: Tommy Morrison documentary

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Ehh don't care about it.
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It was good. Amazing how much of a moron Tommy was. Actually married 2 women at the same time. Dude was seriously a f*cktard.
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He was in denial. He insisted he didn't have HIV when everyone knew he was full of it. He hated being described as a boxer. He wanted to introduced or acknowledged as "Former Heavyweight Champion Tommy Morrison" and maybe add, "who won the title by beating George Foreman. That's not hard to say is it?"

He screwed around as much as Holyfield.. I'm amazed that Holy never contracted HIV.. He did father a lot of kids out of wedlock. Wasn't always careful.
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I watched it, a good film, but a sad story. Morrison had so much potential, but he has failed to fully realeise it. His lifestyle, unfortunately, cost him a career of a boxer. Even more unfortunate is the fact, that Tommy failed to handle the troubles after testing positive for HIV, which led him to that denial stuff.
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Was a real eye opener for any human man or woman Morrison was a better fighter then I realised he had one of the best left hook's you'll ever see his life could have been much different. :bag:
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I always hear that his left hook was exceptional and one of the best ever.. My take on Morrison's left hook was different.. I didn't think he was smooth, deceptive, or versatile enough with the hook to get it on a good boxer..

Ray Mercer didn't have a lot of fights when he fought Morrison -- but he was well schooled in the basics.. Tommy was in real trouble when he signed to meet Mercer and he didn't seem to know what he was in for, or how far he was stepping up in class.. Morrison had over 60% more fights, but Mercer was matched far better and more progressively.. He already beat Francesco Damiani who was 27-0 and better than Morrison.. Mercer knew Morrison would punch himself out early and be a sitting duck.

Morrison fought some coked out fighters who used to be good, but obviously they were history.. That puts good names on your resume but it doesn't move your game.. You get nothing from those fights other than padding the record.. The other good boxer he fought was Lewis and there wasn't a chance in 100 that he'd beat Lewis...his left hook was useless in that fight.. He took on a very green 8-8 Ross Puritty when he had 43 fights.. He couldn't get anything going with his left hook against Puritty and was dropped twice.. I won't say too much about his Michael Bentt fight.. Bentt is not a guy who creams you if you can defend yourself.
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He was better than the Cooney's of the world. Had some great fights, in particularly hipp & Williams. Lot of heart.
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Hipp was worse than terrible... Carl Williams was done... He had a number of losses already -- including 1 to inept tyro Jerry Jones. He knocked Morrison down twice and said he was letting Morrison punch himself out when the referee stopped it.

You can point to Cooney's quick and more decisive wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton... They were done...but they were better fighters.
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One of my favourite fighters was Tommy, thought the Mercer defeat would of broken him but he showed real grit to come back from that loss a better and wiser fighter, discipline and a lack of focus cost him a lot but at his best he was a capable and worthy world class heavyweight
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Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 15:59 Hipp was worse than terrible... Carl Williams was done... He had a number of losses already -- including 1 to inept tyro Jerry Jones. He knocked Morrison down twice and said he was letting Morrison punch himself out when the referee stopped it.

You can point to Cooney's quick and more decisive wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton... They were done...but they were better fighters.
Regardless of your feelings for hipp and Williams, they were great fights. Not great fighters, idiot.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 16:40
Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 15:59 Hipp was worse than terrible... Carl Williams was done... He had a number of losses already -- including 1 to inept tyro Jerry Jones. He knocked Morrison down twice and said he was letting Morrison punch himself out when the referee stopped it.

You can point to Cooney's quick and more decisive wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton... They were done...but they were better fighters.
Regardless of your feelings for hipp and Williams, they were great fights. Not great fighters, idiot
You're the idiot you ignorant asswipe... They may be your favorite fights but they were nothing to me.. Williams was done. Hipp was terrible.. Cooney's wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton showed more quickness, power, and skill.. But neither had world class skills or a complete game.
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Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 02:16 I always hear that his left hook was exceptional and one of the best ever.. My take on Morrison's left hook was different.. I didn't think he was smooth, deceptive, or versatile enough with the hook to get it on a good boxer..
His left hook was short. Near perfect technically.
Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 02:16 Ray Mercer didn't have a lot of fights when he fought Morrison -- but he was well schooled in the basics.. Tommy was in real trouble when he signed to meet Mercer and he didn't seem to know what he was in for, or how far he was stepping up in class.. Morrison had over 60% more fights, but Mercer was matched far better and more progressively.. He already beat Francesco Damiani who was 27-0 and better than Morrison.. Mercer knew Morrison would punch himself out early and be a sitting duck.
Mercer had a helluva chin. Tommy landed some Tyson-like stuff going from the body to the head. The secret is how Mercer could take it. Yeah, Ray was the first Tommy's tough opponent in prime. Morrison took that lesson. And, btw, Mercer had a pretty bad fight against Damiani. Damiani was winning and gave up after suffering a broken nose.
Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 02:16 Morrison fought some coked out fighters who used to be good, but obviously they were history.. That puts good names on your resume but it doesn't move your game.. You get nothing from those fights other than padding the record.. The other good boxer he fought was Lewis and there wasn't a chance in 100 that he'd beat Lewis...his left hook was useless in that fight.. He took on a very green 8-8 Ross Puritty when he had 43 fights.. He couldn't get anything going with his left hook against Puritty and was dropped twice.. I won't say too much about his Michael Bentt fight.. Bentt is not a guy who creams you if you can defend yourself.
Lewis is probably the greatest heavyweight ever. A one of them definitely. He's on the other level. Bentt was underrated by Tommy. Morrison didn't prepared to the fight. Yes, it's his fault. And when he fought Puritty, Tommy himself had problems in regaining his shape. While Puritty was a tough journeyman, he had even stopped young Wlad.
Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 02:16 Hipp was worse than terrible... Carl Williams was done... He had a number of losses already -- including 1 to inept tyro Jerry Jones. He knocked Morrison down twice and said he was letting Morrison punch himself out when the referee stopped it.

You can point to Cooney's quick and more decisive wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton... They were done...but they were better fighters.
In the Hipp fight Tommy had his hand broken (probably both, I don't remember). And jaw also. Williams wasn't done yet. Lyle and Norton were more done against Cooney.
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Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 02:16 I always hear that his left hook was exceptional and one of the best ever.. My take on Morrison's left hook was different.. I didn't think he was smooth, deceptive, or versatile enough with the hook to get it on a good boxer..

Ray Mercer didn't have a lot of fights when he fought Morrison -- but he was well schooled in the basics.. Tommy was in real trouble when he signed to meet Mercer and he didn't seem to know what he was in for, or how far he was stepping up in class.. Morrison had over 60% more fights, but Mercer was matched far better and more progressively.. He already beat Francesco Damiani who was 27-0 and better than Morrison..

Stopped reading here
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Kalan wrote: 03 Dec 2017, 00:53
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 16:40
Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 15:59 Hipp was worse than terrible... Carl Williams was done... He had a number of losses already -- including 1 to inept tyro Jerry Jones. He knocked Morrison down twice and said he was letting Morrison punch himself out when the referee stopped it.

You can point to Cooney's quick and more decisive wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton... They were done...but they were better fighters.
Regardless of your feelings for hipp and Williams, they were great fights. Not great fighters, idiot
You're the idiot you ignorant asswipe... They may be your favorite fights but they were nothing to me.. Williams was done. Hipp was terrible.. Cooney's wins over Young, Lyle, and Norton showed more quickness, power, and skill.. But neither had world class skills or a complete game.
Know your role and shut your mouth.
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Well, Mercer said no one ever hit him as hard as Morrisson.
Not even Bert Cooper, Lewis or Holyfield.

Tommy did the steroids just like the rest of the top heavyweights, and it scrambled his head for the remainder.
His end was as dramatic as one will ever come across, especially since it seemed no one really cared about him.
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Nobody did, because TM was a dick.

And everybody WASN'T doing steroids. You don't need them to develop your maximum potential as an athlete. Morrison didn't drop Mercer or hurt him. I was more impressed with the power Mercer displayed in getting rid of the favored Francesco Damiani and Morrison -- and the power Wladimir Klitschko displayed in getting rid of Ray Mercer, Tony Thompson, and Calvin Brock.
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Kalan wrote: 04 Dec 2017, 01:01

And everybody WASN'T doing steroids.
Tommy's on the record about that.
I believe his word carries more power than yours.
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Kalan wrote: 04 Dec 2017, 01:01 Morrison didn't drop Mercer or hurt him.
Lol, Mercer himself admitted, that nobody had ever hit him like Tommy, and it was mentioned here before. Yes, Morrison didn't drop him, but he did hurt him, it can be clearly seen.
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Mercer had beaten Morrison in the amateurs, right?

I wonder if that came into play in the psychology of their pro fight.
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Cutman Scabbers wrote: 04 Dec 2017, 07:58 Mercer had beaten Morrison in the amateurs, right?
Yes, Mercer decisioned him and earn his ticket to the Olympics.
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I have always been a fan of Morrison’s boxing ability but he made some real bad decisions even when those around him were trying their best to educate him. He was a top heavyweight with very good skill. His hook was brutal . Mercer was a very good heavyweight and survived tommy because of his chin. Sad story indeed.
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amwsnw wrote: 04 Dec 2017, 08:17 Mercer was a very good heavyweight and survived tommy because of his chin
He didn't survive... He took Morrison out like he was nothing.

That's like saying George Foreman survived Ken Norton when he blew him away quickly... Morrison landed more and better punches than Norton did on Foreman, but as soon as he got hit he was gone.... He was punching himself out by the 4th and couldn't absorb anything.

The Morrison-Bentt Fight was interesting as well... How the Hell does a tyro who couldn't get Mark Wills out in his previous fight, smash you out in the 1st round if you know what you're doing -- and are a genuine world class Heavyweight fighter? ... This guy was all white hype.
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