WILDER 6-5 over KING KONG ORTIZ---too hi

[dickbelden]

or too lo ? oddschecker.com

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

[BitPlayer]

I give the edge to Wilder, so about right I think.

[candyslim]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

[keithmoonhangover]

I like Wilder and he has skills, but as soon as Ortiz lands cleanly, it's over.

[candyslim]

Oooooh controversial ! I love this match and have loved the idea of it for 2 or 3 years now, but I always thought it would go the way of Dempsey v Wills or Marciano v Valdez

Sorry I promised myself I wasn't going to get overexcited at least before it was officially official ... I think I lied.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

Not sure why you would think that. I don't consider anyone a walk in the park for Wilder.

[candyslim]

Just previous comments you've made about your not believing Ortiz would take this fight and your seeming reluctance to consider the possibility that Wilder might be the one who wouldn't want it.

[Badhusker]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

What is even more surprising is the load of people on this board that constantly rip Wilder and how horrible he is, but then pick him to win. No chin, skinny legs, sloppy windmill style, poor competition, etc. You would think no one on earth would pick a boxer like that to win against any top heavy.

[Kalan]

I respect Wilder's ability. He's a very good fighter in comparison to Washington, Szpilka, Arreola, Stiverne, Duhaupas, and Molina..

This will be his 7th World Title Fight which ties him with Marciano.. I think he'll be champion again in the future -- but this run is most likely over... I like Ortiz about 5-1 over him.. Wilder needs to land his right hand cleanly on this slick, hard punching character.. Wilder's got a big right hand -- and the right hand is the weapon of choice against a southpaw.. However this is not McGregor fighting Mayweather. This is a man with serious skills, not a babe in the woods..

Ortiz's right hooks and uppercuts are deadly, but he didn't look particularly deadly, sharp, or impressive in his last fight with David Allen.. It may not be age catching up with him yet, so much as the opponent was so lackluster.. Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight him. So he keeps going down the line until David Allen says "Yes I'll fight." How the Hell do you get up for a fight with an opponent like David Allen?? ... The next guy in line was Joey Abell... On the other hand, maybe Ortiz DIDN'T WANT to look good against Allen.. If you're pushing 39 you better get a big fight in hurry -- or the game is over for you.. If you look a little slow and not too sharp -- like maybe you're aging at last -- you might get some interest going.

If you're an undefeated Heavyweight, with real good skills, a devastating punch, and a slick and confusing southpaw style... unless somebody really thinks they can beat you... or make a ton of money fighting you... you're not going to get any big fights if your potential opponents can avoid you... This is not going to be Klitschko or Joshua money -- so it's not the money.. Ortiz has the Wilder team believing they can beat him.

[victor-romeo]

If Ortiz chin proves to better than Malik Scotts, he probably win..

[Ossyrules]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

I hope it's not a PPV over here!! A fight between these 2 shouldn't be ppv

[jamesmcdonnell]

I respect Wilder's ability. He's a very good fighter in comparison to Washington, Szpilka, Arreola, Stiverne, Duhaupas, and Molina..

This will be his 7th World Title Fight which ties him with Marciano.. I think he'll be champion again in the future -- but this run is most likely over... I like Ortiz about 5-1 over him.. Wilder needs to land his right hand cleanly on this slick, hard punching character.. Wilder's got a big right hand -- and the right hand is the weapon of choice against a southpaw.. However this is not McGregor fighting Mayweather. This is a man with serious skills, not a babe in the woods..

Ortiz's right hooks and uppercuts are deadly, but he didn't look particularly deadly, sharp, or impressive in his last fight with David Allen.. It may not be age catching up with him yet, so much as the opponent was so lackluster.. Ortiz couldn't get anyone to fight him. So he keeps going down the line until David Allen says "Yes I'll fight." How the Hell do you get up for a fight with an opponent like David Allen?? ... The next guy in line was Joey Abell... On the other hand, maybe Ortiz DIDN'T WANT to look good against Allen.. If you're pushing 39 you better get a big fight in hurry -- or the game is over for you.. If you look a little slow and not too sharp -- like maybe you're aging at last -- you might get some interest going.

If you're an undefeated Heavyweight, with real good skills, a devastating punch, and a slick and confusing southpaw style... unless somebody really thinks they can beat you... or make a ton of money fighting you... you're not going to get any big fights if your potential opponents can avoid you... This is not going to be Klitschko or Joshua money -- so it's not the money.. Ortiz has the Wilder team believing they can beat him.

Marciano was the undisputed champ. Wilder isnt. He isnt 'tied with marciano'

[candyslim]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

What is even more surprising is the load of people on this board that constantly rip Wilder and how horrible he is, but then pick him to win. No chin, skinny legs, sloppy windmill style, poor competition, etc. You would think no one on earth would pick a boxer like that to win against any top heavy.

I don't know if you mean me because I've been a big critic, but that's mainly been about his reluctance to step up. I never said he wasn't one of the best heavies around although I'd concede his technique is either poor or unorthodox depending on your general opinion of him. He doesn't appear to have a great chin but his power is second to none. All I've ever wanted is for Wilder to take on an elite heavyweight and they don't come a lot more elite than Ortiz so it's all good.

To me the biggest factor in who wins is 'how much has Ortiz got left'? Based on the Scott and Allen fights, you'd have to favour Deontay but if Ortiz just had motivational problems or just a couple of off-nights and his level is where it was two years ago then Wilder has some serious problems in my opinion.

[candyslim]

Spot on, definitely a pickem fight.

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

I hope it's not a PPV over here!! A fight between these 2 shouldn't be ppv

Much rather that than no live transmission, no?

[Ossyrules]

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

I hope it's not a PPV over here!! A fight between these 2 shouldn't be ppv

Much rather that they no live transmission, no?

I didn't say that candyslim... but PPV figures would be very poor over here if they intend to charge for the fight imo

[Ossyrules]

I totally agree Saad but I was surprised to see your name next to that comment. I was under the impression you thought it would be a walk in the park for Deontay.

I hope Sky sports are going to PPV it for us in dear ol' blighty ... UK pricing though, none of this hundred bucks malarkey thank you very much.

What is even more surprising is the load of people on this board that constantly rip Wilder and how horrible he is, but then pick him to win. No chin, skinny legs, sloppy windmill style, poor competition, etc. You would think no one on earth would pick a boxer like that to win against any top heavy.

I don't know if you mean me because I've been a big critic, but that's mainly been about his reluctance to step up. I never said he wasn't one of the best heavies around although I'd concede his technique is either poor or unorthodox depending on your general opinion of him. He doesn't appear to have a great chin but his power is second to none. All I've ever wanted is for Wilder to take on an elite heavyweight and they don't come a lot more elite than Ortiz so it's all good.

To me the biggest factor in who wins is 'how much has Ortiz got left'? Based on the Scott and Allen fights, you'd have to favour Deontay but if Ortiz just had motivational problems or just a couple of off-nights and his level is where it was two years ago then Wilder has some serious problems in my opinion.

Wilder from a technical point of view will always have his critics. It's hard to not see the top heavy of years gone by exposing the holes in his technique. The Lennox lewis', holyfields, bowes, they are just too good not too. But there isn't many around right now good enough themselves to get the job done, and like him or not, his power is the equaliser when things are completely going his way.

Criticism of his title reign is specific hating on wilder either. Saunders takes a load on here for the same thing. Rightly so. Kell Brook cops flak even though he fought Porter golovkin and spence, as he had 3 weak contenders in between (even though 2 were mandatory). Bottom line is if you fight weak opponents, people will pick up on it and criticise. Wilders got his slice.

[candyslim]

True. I guess I'm guilty of thinking everyone over here is as keen on watching this fight as they should be

[Ossyrules]

True. I guess I'm guilty of thinking everyone over here is as keen on watching this fight as they should be

I'll watch it, but if it's PPV I won't be buying it

[candyslim]

That's where we differ. I've only ever bought PPV once before and that was for Whyte v Chisora (I mean Joshua v Molina ... actually no I don't ) but I'm warming to the idea. I was dead-set against it but I must say Eddie does put on a show, and with Stiverne v Breazeale and Miller v TBN, it looks like this Brooklyn event is shaping up to be a card to rival Eddie's.

[Ossyrules]

That's where we differ. I've only ever bought PPV once before and that was for Whyte v Chisora (I mean Joshua v Molina ... actually no I don't ) but I'm warming to the idea. I was dead-set against it but I must say Eddie does put on a show, and with Stiverne v Breazeale and Miller v TBN, it looks like this Brooklyn event is shaping up to be a card to rival Eddie's.

I buy PPV fairly regular, most Joshua fights, Kell Brook, Frampton vs quigg (stinker of a fight) etc, Eddie dies put in a good show. I don't subscribe to BT or allegedly, I don't buy the eubank shite on itv, that's a stream fight all day.

I won't but wilder vs Ortiz though

[SaadOffTheDeck]

True. I guess I'm guilty of thinking everyone over here is as keen on watching this fight as they should be

I'll watch it, but if it's PPV I won't be buying it

Y'all are the target audience. Nobody will watch it here.

[Ossyrules]

True. I guess I'm guilty of thinking everyone over here is as keen on watching this fight as they should be

I'll watch it, but if it's PPV I won't be buying it

Y'all are the target audience. Nobody will watch it here.

I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe that'll sell as a PPV here. We have some of our own like degale fighting in America and that's not even ppv

[candyslim]

We won't buy it and, Americans don't even care about their World Heavyweight champion fighting one of the two most intimidating and talented oppenents at the weight in the known universe ... I'm getting depressed.

I'd baulk at $100 but £20 for six hours or so of quality boxing (before you know the result!) doesn't seem bad value to me at all. Compare that to £60 to schlep over to the OS to watch that shower of shite that are my beloved football team, walk out two hours later distinctly poorer and ready to kill something - if only you weren't so shell-shocked by their dismal performance ... need I say more?. How many times have I trodden that path?

Even if my fighter loses I'm never really down about it. One of the reasons I love boxing is that fighters are constantly regenerating. Your favourite retires or falls by the wayside and there's a new prospect coming up to fire your imagination and take his place. Got yourself a crap team and you're stuck with them for life.

The advantage of football though is you know if the game is scheduled it's going to take something like unusually bad weather to stop it going ahead. Now if boxing could crack that ....

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'll watch it, but if it's PPV I won't be buying it

Y'all are the target audience. Nobody will watch it here.

I could be wrong but I find it hard to believe that'll sell as a PPV here. We have some of our own like degale fighting in America and that's not even ppv

I can't see a scenario where that's ppv anywhere.