I don't think Canelo won necessarily but....

[jas80s]

OK, I will step up and TRY to explain what I was thinking during the fight that lead me to see no real problem with the decision. Obviously, I missed the boat here in that most of the world saw it differently and I don't profess to be great at scoring fights. But, I thought I would at least explain my thinking because I think it shows something fascinating about subjective scoring.

The simplest way I can put it is this, I expected that Canelo's plan would be to fight as he did. I expected that he would move away trying to get GGG to walk toward him so that he could try to catch him with shots on the way in and then try to turn him again and repeat. So, while he undoubtedly grew more tired, I didn't PERCEIVE that he was being forced into a fight he didn't want. Rather, I thought he just looked more tired, while still implementing his plan for the fight. Thus, I was less likely to see him as being ineffective or GGG as more effective. I am NOT saying I thought Canelo was dictating, just that the fight was an interesting match up of styles and it was close and competitive.

Had I held a belief that Canelo wanted to stand in and trade, or a belief that Canelo wanted to back up and bully GGG then I would have seen a totally different fight and would have undoubtedly seen him as being hugely ineffective and I would have arrived at a different score entirely.

I remind you all that many here asked someone who thought Canelo did well to speak up, so I am putting myself out there. Was my score wrong? I guess I would have to say so. In the end, who cares really, but I thought it was interesting and worth noting how our expectations can shape what we see. I saw this as boxer versus puncher and in those terms, I thought I saw a pretty even fight.

And, I am only going to say this once...and that will be the end of it.....NO WAY, should there have been a 118-110 score in this fight.

[ldlamb]

I agree completely with your post.

118-110 is completely incompetent or corrupt.

But I did score it 114-114 while watching it. I thought there were many rounds where Canelo landed the cleaner, more effective blows even though he was backing up.

That is not a deal breaker for me. I have been watching boxing since the late 70s and some of the best fighters I've watched did a majority of their work while moving backwards or from the ropes.

[lazboy]

I thought Golovkin edged it but it was a close fight in my opinion so i'm agreeable to what you've described. I actually thought the better quality punches came from Canelo..or the better sounding and looking punches..however you want to interpret that as I did not feel them myself, given he would back up then settle on his feet while Golovkin was pushing the fight, the pressure, then (canelo) would sprint of a couple punches and move away and to an extent later in the fight, run away, before Golovkin really had the time to sit down on his punches. If Canelo didn't utilise this tactic he would have been hurt and hurt badly. If golovkin had fought him a couple years ago, he would have hurt Canelo, hurt him badly.

Regardless, Golovkin was no way outclassed in this fight as some believed would be the case. He's legitimately a great fighter, there can be no question. It's a real shame about his age and this, really his defining fight has come so late. So basically, everyone hyping Golovkin on this forum, doing the eye test and so on is right. But lets not underate Canelo, Canelo is a tough, smart and skilled customer, although I still don't like him and think he has a significant ego problem, hopefully he rethinks his attitude (unlikely) while he plays with his horses and makes them do fancy trotting.

[Jip]

We can expect profesionalism from judges when such a huge right is on the line.

Jacobs vs ggg couldve been scored a draw, was very close.

Not canelo vs ggg, it was a good competitive fight and ggg easily won, having 3-4 rds advantage over canelo. If you ggg hater, than he had maybe 2 rds over canelo. Still enough.

[Blodhemn]

They both fought the way they wanted/needed to fight. Who in their right mind would think Canelo would be the aggressor? Irony is that he didn't look bad when he did take center of the ring for 30 seconds of a round, but he did look quite wilted the remaining 2:30 when being pressed nonstop. You don't win rounds while being bossed around, that's ring generalship. The bull outperformed the matador, clearly.

[candyslim]

In my opinion the decision was a robbery. A long way from the worst robbery I've ever seen, but a robbery none the less. I fully appreciate that people see things differently and that scoring is largely subjective, but there was no way in the world that I could make a case for a draw. I saw it as being so dominated by Golovkin I was - not losing interest, that's not true, but settling in to watching an unexciting, unanimous and uncontroversial decision. It was as Teddy Atlas put it - "the ocean v the log" and more than a little anti-climactic as a spectacle.

As far as I'm concerned every voice saying "well, if you cross your eyes and stand on your head, you can just see how Canelo might have earned a draw" is diluting the righteous criticism of (two of) the judges and the whole sorry travesty, and playing right into the hands of those who got the result they wanted (or at least avoided the result they didn't).

That's the last comment I'm going to make about this fight - I'm bored now.

[Blodhemn]

In my opinion the decision was a robbery. A long way from the worst robbery I've ever seen, but a robbery none the less. I fully appreciate that people see things differently and that scoring is largely subjective, but there was no way in the world that I could make a case for a draw. I saw it as being so dominated by Golovkin I was - not losing interest, that's not true, but settling in to watching an unexciting, unanimous and uncontroversial decision. It was as Teddy Atlas put it - "the ocean v the log" and more than a little anti-climactic as a spectacle.

As far as I'm concerned every voice saying "well, if you cross your eyes and stand on your head, you can just see how Canelo might have earned a draw" is diluting the righteous criticism of (two of) the judges and the whole sorry travesty, and playing right into the hands of those who got the result they wanted (or at least avoided the result they didn't).

That's the last comment I'm going to make about this fight - I'm bored now.

Apparently there are no robberies these days. Anything can be explained away by over analyzing. It's a near parody that there has to be an immediate rewatch and rescore after every bad decision.

[Badhusker]

I agree completely with your post.

118-110 is completely incompetent or corrupt.

But I did score it 114-114 while watching it. I thought there were many rounds where Canelo landed the cleaner, more effective blows even though he was backing up.

That is not a deal breaker for me. I have been watching boxing since the late 70s and some of the best fighters I've watched did a majority of their work while moving backwards or from the ropes.

Interesting. I'm curious, how did you score Canelo's fight with Lara then? Lara landed the more effective blows while backing up, and made Canelo miss badly most of the fight. Canelo landed about 50 body shots, and a good portion of those were partially blocked.

[ldlamb]

I agree completely with your post.

118-110 is completely incompetent or corrupt.

But I did score it 114-114 while watching it. I thought there were many rounds where Canelo landed the cleaner, more effective blows even though he was backing up.

That is not a deal breaker for me. I have been watching boxing since the late 70s and some of the best fighters I've watched did a majority of their work while moving backwards or from the ropes.

Interesting. I'm curious, how did you score Canelo's fight with Lara then? Lara landed the more effective blows while backing up, and made Canelo miss badly most of the fight. Canelo landed about 50 body shots, and a good portion of those were partially blocked.

I don't remember my exact scorecard....but I saw the fight as pretty even. Canelo was more active and Lara was more effective. Either of the two 7-5 cards turned in seem legit.....but like the Byrd scorecard in this fight, the 117-111 card for Canelo was bogus that night.