Daniel Jacobs: If Canelo Got a Draw - Then I Beat Golovkin!

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Daniel Jacobs: If Canelo Got a Draw - Then I Beat Golovkin!

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This past Saturday night at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, when the final bell rang, ending the exciting and highly anticipated mega fight between Gennady Golovkin and Canelo Alvarez, there were many nervous people in the crowd and viewers on pay-per-view who were awaiting the decision.

One of them was former world middleweight champion Daniel Jacobs (32-2, 29KOs), who actually posted a reaction video of himself on Youtube when the decision was announced.

When the cards were announced, Jacobs had a look of disgust and confusion. The same look he had on his face this past March, when he thought he had won his own fight with Golovkin.

Jacobs talked with ATG Radio Monday night about his reaction, the fight and much more.

“I thought GGG won the fight. I'm not trying to sound like a sour puss or a guy who complains a lot but certain things are so adamant that it is kind of hard for you to not mention. If Canelo got a draw then I beat GGG," Jacobs stated.

“This is why I always stressed that they always wanted to make this fight and capitalize on this fight and it shows because a 118-110 scorecard lets you know their intentions, they are just going to do it again.

“These guys are not going to have a blemish on their record so a draw isn’t bad. I always thought that it was politics. I think that had something to do with my fight and the decision. I could be wrong. I don’t like to be one of those guys who likes to complain.

“Obviously I'm a fighter and my job is to get in there and do what I do - but if you want to know my immediate reaction, what I thought about the fight, I thought that it was fixed, I really did.”
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Re: Daniel Jacobs: If Canelo Got a Draw - Then I Beat Golovkin!

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I disagree with Jacobs. A draw is a blemish.
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If Canelo drew, then there is no way that Jacobs lost. That result now looked stage managed. I suspect that even if Jacobs had done better and sneaked a few more rounds he still wouldn't get the decision. If course we'll never know, unless someone blows the whistle.

As it was, the scoring was spot on. No Golden Boy, no Nevada State.
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Jacobs makes more than one good point. I agree with him that if 3G v GingerHead was a draw then Jacobs got robbed. 3G v Jacobs was a much closer fight, as well as being more entertaining.

Furthermore, I understand his feeling that the fight was fixed to be a draw. I do not necessarily believe it but when you analyze the situation, a draw necessitates a rematch. If they would have completely stolen the fight from 3G, GingerHead would own four belts to defend against prime, big, skilled, gifted MW sharks like Charlo and Jacobs.

If 3G had lost, even by way of clear robbery, his stock would have taken a hit. A draw gives him the sympathy of being jobbed while he keeps his belts and his 0. It skyrockets his popularity worldwide.

If 3G had rightly been given the victory, the rematch necessitated by GingerHead's contract would have been less controversial and popular.

With a draw, they can feast together at the megafight table once more, ignoring the sharks in the water circling them.
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Those were different fights. Canelo and Jacobs fought differently. Whatever a result of the Canelo fight is, Jacobs still lost. Just didn't land enough to win plus got dropped.
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boxing_rocks wrote:Those were different fights. Canelo and Jacobs fought differently. Whatever a result of the Canelo fight is, Jacobs still lost. Just didn't land enough to win plus got dropped.
Much closer fight though.
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They both lost. Obviously one was closer but Jacobs was the only one getting hurt in there. And yes, absolutely a complainer. "I don't wanna sound like a complainer, but lemme complain about my fight again.". :lol:
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Blodhemn wrote:They both lost. Obviously one was closer but Jacobs was the only one getting hurt in there. And yes, absolutely a complainer. "I don't wanna sound like a complainer, but lemme complain about my fight again.". :lol:
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Tanzio wrote:Jacobs makes more than one good point. I agree with him that if 3G v GingerHead was a draw then Jacobs got robbed. 3G v Jacobs was a much closer fight, as well as being more entertaining.

Furthermore, I understand his feeling that the fight was fixed to be a draw. I do not necessarily believe it but when you analyze the situation, a draw necessitates a rematch. If they would have completely stolen the fight from 3G, GingerHead would own four belts to defend against prime, big, skilled, gifted MW sharks like Charlo and Jacobs.

If 3G had lost, even by way of clear robbery, his stock would have taken a hit. A draw gives him the sympathy of being jobbed while he keeps his belts and his 0. It skyrockets his popularity worldwide.

If 3G had rightly been given the victory, the rematch necessitated by GingerHead's contract would have been less controversial and popular.

With a draw, they can feast together at the megafight table once more, ignoring the sharks in the water circling them.
I can't fault your logic Tanzio and I think Jacobs is right. He came closer to beating GGG than Alvarez did (dodgy judging aside)
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Yes Jacobs got caught and hurt on occasion. Canelo didn't keep still long enough for that ;-)
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Just goes to show that if Jacobs had more weight behind himself he would have gotten the decision win against GGG.

If Canelo vs GGG would have been as close as the Jacobs fight Canelo would have won on the judges scorecards.

It is fucked up game that we are following :evil:
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I agree and know MANY others who would agree. I had Jacobs beating GGG 114-113 after giving Golovkin a 10-8 round for the 4th-round knockdown.
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Best Coast wrote:I agree and know MANY others who would agree. I had Jacobs beating GGG 114-113 after giving Golovkin a 10-8 round for the 4th-round knockdown.
Yeah, many would agree.
I think 7-5 either way is acceptable.
But with the KD, 2 of the 3 scores give GGG the win.

I want to see GGG/Jacobs 2 more than a Canelo rematch.
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I felt....Golovkin had the tougher time technically with Jacobs and it was a closer fight than with Canelo. Saying that I did feel he won and of course did the most damage although it was a tricky, frustrating night. Canelo on the other hand did more physical damage to ggg than Jacobs but was easier to find, hit and effectively bully/pressure around the ring. Both close fights.
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I guess Jacobs should try and leave Al and get with Oscar.
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Golovkin won both fights, but definitely Jacobs came closer. That fight was close
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Ossyrules wrote:Golovkin won both fights, but definitely Jacobs came closer. That fight was close
I agree. I think Golovkin should have beat Canelo 8 rounds to 4. Jacobs had a weight advantage because he did not follow IBF rules which have now been changed for unification bouts. The IBF is not going to force the IBF champion to abide by their weight gain rules when a champion from another sanctioning body does not have to follow it. The IBF realized that it was unfair for Golovkin, but he still was able to overcome it.
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RScarf1 wrote:
Ossyrules wrote:Golovkin won both fights, but definitely Jacobs came closer. That fight was close
I agree. I think Golovkin should have beat Canelo 8 rounds to 4. Jacobs had a weight advantage because he did not follow IBF rules which have now been changed for unification bouts. The IBF is not going to force the IBF champion to abide by their weight gain rules when a champion from another sanctioning body does not have to follow it. The IBF realized that it was unfair for Golovkin, but he still was able to overcome it.

Makes good sense to me. Level playing field re weight gains

I initially had 9-3 but am happy with 8-4 scorecard. Even if you go favourable Canelo scoring I don't see how Canelo gets a winning scorecard. Golovkin got the w taken from him
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Ossyrules wrote:Makes good sense to me. Level playing field re weight gains

I initially had 9-3 but am happy with 8-4 scorecard. Even if you go favourable Canelo scoring I don't see how Canelo gets a winning scorecard. Golovkin got the w taken from him
Golovkin was just being outlanded in those rounds that I thought he lost, but not by much. With biased judges, Golovkin could not win by an 8-4 margin because the judges can score two of those rounds for Canelo and therefore we get a 6-6 tie which the media who are biased have scored it as and one of the official judges.
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I'm torn on this one. A big part of me agrees completely with Tanzio and that Jacobs makes a very good point here. Had the fight not be in "the waiting" that was exactly the kind of fight that goes Jacobs's way. But the fight was an "eliminator" type of fight for a huge night in boxing that many stood to benefit from.

And let's not overlook the fact that Don Trella was the judge in the Jacobs/GGG fight either. It's kind of strange that after that fight, he gets the judging assignments in the 2 biggest fights in 2017 (Wlad/AJ and GGG/Canelo). This is not a judge that has ever been ringside for the largest stages and out of nowhere he's getting them now? I could clearly see the backroom handshake "if you score our way, i'll get you ringside for Wlad/AJ and GGG/Canelo to judge those fights" kind of deals.

I just find it strange how Trella started getting the highest profile fights after that one.
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lazboy wrote:I felt....Golovkin had the tougher time technically with Jacobs and it was a closer fight than with Canelo. Saying that I did feel he won and of course did the most damage although it was a tricky, frustrating night. Canelo on the other hand did more physical damage to ggg than Jacobs but was easier to find, hit and effectively bully/pressure around the ring. Both close fights.
Agreed. GGG was fighting a light heavyweight that night in Jacobs with the whole IBF debacle second weigh in BS.

I'd love to see Canelo vs. Jacobs btw
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I'd like to see Canelo vs Jacobs next.
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Ossyrules wrote:Golovkin won both fights, but definitely Jacobs came closer. That fight was close
It's funny how we all see fights I had Golovkin winning both but thought canelo gave a better performance than Jacob's who I thought moved well but didn't land much where as canelo was the more skilled fighter in the fight but couldn't keep it up because of poor stamina
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Re: Daniel Jacobs: If Canelo Got a Draw - Then I Beat Golovkin!

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..Jacobs should fight Canelo to determine who was the worst/best loser ...
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I think we also have to consider the fact that Jacobs weighed about 180 pounds and GGG did not skip the same day weigh-in like Jacobs did. Now, the IBF has waived that for unification bouts who don't have same day weigh-ins. Let's assume that Jacobs weighed about the same as GGG for their fight. Would it still have been as close a fight as it was? I don't think so.

GGG vs. Canelo was not close in my mind. I had GGG winning 8 rounds to 4. I think that Jacobs would beat Canelo if they fought whether there was a same day weigh-in or not.
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