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[scartissue]

She needs to reevaluate her career choice.

[elmersalsa]

Maybe she's one of Canelo's women.

[scartissue]

Just read that the Nevada State Athletic Commission benched her. They stated that "she needs to catch her breath" and that "her score was too wide". I'm glad to see this. That the Commission isn't just going to reassign her and that all judges need to come under scrutiny and to be taken to task. I don't think one thing was done to the judges who scored for Tim Bradley against Manny Pac in their first fight - other than simply reassign them to another sweet fight. So this sends a better message to those with a pen.

[elmersalsa]

Big fights like this one should be 15 rounds. Other non meaningful title fights should be 12.

[Seamus]

Rocky Lockridge vs Cornelius Boza Edwards

R1.10-8 CBE (Lockridge down from a right hook to the jaw)
R2.10-10
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 RL
R5.10-10
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 RL
R9.10-9 RL
R10.10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 98-96

That's right ! I called 5 rounds even, because both guys kept the punches coming and it appeared to me that neither man was gaining an advantage. I really like Lockridge, but the commentators in this fight were RIDICULOUSLY biased in his favor. It was very close bout.

[scartissue]

Rocky Lockridge vs Cornelius Boza Edwards

R1.10-8 CBE (Lockridge down from a right hook to the jaw)
R2.10-10
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 RL
R5.10-10
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 RL
R9.10-9 RL
R10.10-9 RL

Rocky Lockridge 98-96

That's right ! I called 5 rounds even, because both guys kept the punches coming and it appeared to me that neither man was gaining an advantage. I really like Lockridge, but the commentators in this fight were RIDICULOUSLY biased in his favor. It was very close bout.

Seamus, first of all let me say I think you are right despite our cards difference, because I too felt every round was close. Here is what I wrote when I saw the fight.



Must be on a Boza-Edwards kick lately, but that's because all his fights are so enjoyable. Here is his 10 rounder with Rocky Lockridge. BTW, I met them both at Caesar's a few days before the fight. Super nice guys.

Round 1: 10-8 Edwards (scored a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 7: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 8: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 9: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 10: 10-9 Lockridge

Total 98-93 Lockridge

Despite what appears to be dominance by Lockridge, every round was competitive. Two great warriors in action.

[scartissue]

Salvador Sanchez vs Azumah Nelson

1.10-9 SS
2.10-9 SS
3.10-9 AN
4.10-9 AN
5.10-9 AN
6.10-9 SS
7.10-8 SS
8.10-9 AN
9.10-9 SS
10.10-9 SS
11.10-9 AN
12.10-9 SS
13.10-9 SS
14.10-9 AN
134-131 Sanchez.
Great competitive fight. Sanchez was using that jab to the midsection quite a bit, and was really starting to time Nelson nicely in the 13th. Azumah fought a great fight, but Salvador was just a step and level ahead of him.

Nile, scored this one awhile back. We're off in a couple of rounds, but what a terrific little fight. Here is what I wrote at the time.

Sanchez-Nelson

Round 1: 10-9 Nelson
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
Round 5: 10-9 Nelson
Round 6: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 7: 10-8 Sanchez (knockdown)
Round 8: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 9: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-9 Nelson
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Nelson
Round 15: TKO for Sanchez

Through 14 rounds: 135-133 Nelson

The 13th round was a tough one to score depending on your criteria. Nelson was taking the round with a lot of eye-catching flurries but Sanchez was digging to the body well. I would have given the round to Nelson (like commentator Larry Holmes did) but that last left hook that almost dropped Nelson swayed an even round on my card. Although I had Nelson up, if he had survived the 15th I would have had an even score and Sanchez would have retained it on a draw. But a moot point as Nelson was in severe distress and the stoppage was correct. A real valiant effort by a relatively professional novice.

[Nile4000]

Salvador Sanchez vs Azumah Nelson

1.10-9 SS
2.10-9 SS
3.10-9 AN
4.10-9 AN
5.10-9 AN
6.10-9 SS
7.10-8 SS
8.10-9 AN
9.10-9 SS
10.10-9 SS
11.10-9 AN
12.10-9 SS
13.10-9 SS
14.10-9 AN
134-131 Sanchez.
Great competitive fight. Sanchez was using that jab to the midsection quite a bit, and was really starting to time Nelson nicely in the 13th. Azumah fought a great fight, but Salvador was just a step and level ahead of him.

Nile, scored this one awhile back. We're off in a couple of rounds, but what a terrific little fight. Here is what I wrote at the time.

Sanchez-Nelson

Round 1: 10-9 Nelson
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
Round 5: 10-9 Nelson
Round 6: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 7: 10-8 Sanchez (knockdown)
Round 8: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 9: 10-9 Sanchez
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-9 Nelson
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Nelson
Round 15: TKO for Sanchez

Through 14 rounds: 135-133 Nelson

The 13th round was a tough one to score depending on your criteria. Nelson was taking the round with a lot of eye-catching flurries but Sanchez was digging to the body well. I would have given the round to Nelson (like commentator Larry Holmes did) but that last left hook that almost dropped Nelson swayed an even round on my card. Although I had Nelson up, if he had survived the 15th I would have had an even score and Sanchez would have retained it on a draw. But a moot point as Nelson was in severe distress and the stoppage was correct. A real valiant effort by a relatively professional novice.

Scar, not going to lie to you, a lot of those early rounds were tight for me, Azumah looked every bit of the fighter Sanchez was, down the stretch, he was getting caught, still coming at Sal.

[Seamus]

Gennady Golovkin vs Daniel Jacobs

R1.10-9 GG
R2.10-9 DJ
R3.10-10
R4.10-8 GG (Jacobs down from 2 rights to the jaw)
R5.10-9 GG
R6.10-9 DJ
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 GG
R9.10-9 DJ
R10.10-9 DJ
R11.10-9 DJ
R12.10-9 DJ

Daniel Jacobs 115-114

Finally got around to scoring it, and thought it was an excellent fight. On my card Jacobs just edged it by showing better stamina down the final 4 rds. I gave Jacobs the 10th despite the hard uppercut he took, because he slipped most of Golovkin's follow up punches and he had clearly been winning the round. I won't argue with anyone who thinks Golovkin edged it, though 3 pts seems pretty wide.

[crl333]

1. Ev
2. J
3. Ev
4. G 10-8
5. G
6. J
7. J
8. J
9. G
10. J
11. J
12. J
Jacobs 116-113

[scartissue]

Oh, man, hate to be the dissenter here but here is my card from Golovkin-Jacobs. Very close though.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 3: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 4: 10-8 Golovkin (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 6: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 7: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 8: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 9: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 10: 10-9 Jacobs
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Jacobs

Total: 115-114 Golovkin

Outside of a few even rounds I only disagreed with CRL333 on the 8th round and Seamus on the 9th round. Enough to throw off our scores. One close fight.

[scartissue]

Here is one of the funkiest fights I recall seeing. The Roger Mayweather - Tony Baltazar bout. Funky because it would test anyone's criteria on what they're looking for in a fight. Here's how I had it, but be forewarned, I felt comfortable on very little. Thus, controversy.

Round 1: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 2: 10-9 Baltazar
Round 3: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 4: 10-9 Baltazar (this round was only a 2 minute round - timekeeper error)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 7: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 8: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 9: 10-9 Mayweather
Round 10: 10-9 Mayweather (50% of this round was clutching)

Total: 98-93 Mayweather

Official scores were 98-95, 96-95 and 96-94 all for Baltazar. How is that for a disparity from my card?

Again, rough one to score. Baltazar chasing, not throwing much and missing when he did. And Mayweather running and jabbing. Mayweather never really got off his toes and engaged until about the last two rounds. Again, rough fight to score, but I would appreciate the input from you guys.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lennox Lewis vs Ray Mercer

R1 10-9 RM
R2.10-9 RM
R3.10-9 LL
R4.10-9 LL
R5.10-10 Even
R6.10-9 RM
R7.10-9 LL
R8.10-9 LL
R9.10-10 Even
R10.10-9 LL
97-95 Lennox Lewis

First time I've ever watched this bout in it's entirety. Not one of Lennox Lewis' finest performances, but he did demonstrate that he has something he's seldom given credit for. A pretty solid chin. Mercer displayed a good jab when he chose to use it, and we know he has a right hand. It's just that he doesn't seem to be able to use the two togather very consistently. I'd heard that LL tired badly in this fight, but after watching it, I saw that it was Mercer who had trouble sustaing offensives. Still a rather entertaining battle.

I had Mercer winning 6 rounds to 4. There were some close rounds. Great fight. One of Mercer's best. Would have changed boxing history had it gone Mercer's way.

[Kalan]

I had Marquez winning all the Pacquiao fights... But as I remember I had them damned close... All 3 judges has Floyd a clear winner in the first Castillo fight... Blind Harold Lederman and the idiot punch-stat guy gave the viewers a phony impression of who was winning... Floyd won by 4 or 5 points on every card -- very easy... Floyd won the Castillo rematch SUPER easy... Floyd won every round of the rematch but the cards were ridiculously close...

All 3 judges caught my eye in the rematch---especially Ken Morita... He had Mike Tyson beating Buster Douglas in a fight where Douglas dominated... For me the Mayweather vs Castillo rematch would have been a flat out robbery if it were anywhere close -- or anyone thought it was close. Nobody but the judges did.

[Seamus]

Greg Haugen vs Hector Camacho I

R1.10-9 GH
R2.10-9 HC
R3.10-8 HC (Haugen down from a counter right hook to the jaw)
R4.10-9 HC
R5.10-9 GH
R6.10-9 GH
R7.10-9 HC
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 GH
R10.10-9 GH
R11.10-9 GH
R12.10-8 GH (1pt deducted from Camacho for for not touching gloves)

Greg Haugen 115-112

Classic example of an inferior boxer imposing his will upon the guy with all the advantages. Camacho fought this one like an artist who does something great and then steps back to admire his work.

[Seamus]

Hector Camacho vs Greg Haugen II

R1.10-9 HC
R2.10-9 HC
R3.10-9 HC
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 HC
R6.10-9 HC
R7.10-9 HC
R8.10-9 HC
R9.10-9 GH
R10.10-9 GH
R11.10-9 GH (1 pt deducted from Camacho for punching after the bell)
R12.10-9 GH

Hector Camacho 116-113

Just like in the first bout, I had Haugen winning the last 4, but unlike the first bout, Camacho was more dominant over the first 8 rounds.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think I had them something like that. That was silly though for Camacho to be penalized a point in the first fight for not touching gloves. I don't think it is actually a rule, just a custom.

[scartissue]

What harm, but it was actually Haugen who refused to touch glove. Camacho just stood there with his arm extended for the touch but Haugen refused to obey the ref. Then Camacho just got fed up waiting for the ref to do something and went at Haugen, thus getting the point deducted with Haugen laughing his tail off. True irony.

[scartissue]

Greg Haugen vs Hector Camacho I

R1.10-9 GH
R2.10-9 HC
R3.10-8 HC (Haugen down from a counter right hook to the jaw)
R4.10-9 HC
R5.10-9 GH
R6.10-9 GH
R7.10-9 HC
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 GH
R10.10-9 GH
R11.10-9 GH
R12.10-8 GH (1pt deducted from Camacho for for not touching gloves)

Greg Haugen 115-112

Classic example of an inferior boxer imposing his will upon the guy with all the advantages. Camacho fought this one like an artist who does something great and then steps back to admire his work.

Camacho - Haugen I

Round 1: 10-9 Camacho
Round 2: 10-9 Camacho
Round 3: 10-8 Camacho (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Haugen
Round 5: 10-9 Haugen
Round 6: 10-9 Haugen
Round 7: 10-9 Camacho
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Haugen
Round 10: 10-9 Haugen
Round 11: 10-9 Haugen
Round 12: 10-9 Haugen (scored it even but with the point deduction it becomes 10-9 Haugen)

Total: 115-113 Haugen

Never understood repeated use of Carlos Padilla. Always felt he was the most confused looking individual in the arena and some of his calls in big fights were extremely bizarre. Still, despite the call in the final round, Haugen still would have had it on my card by a point.

[scartissue]

I love watching Gil Turner fight. A no-airs about him type fighter. Here is his rematch with Bobby Jones from 1954. Scoring on a rounds basis in Philly.

Gil Turner v Bobby Jones II

Round 1: Jones
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Turner
Round 4: Jones
Round 5: Turner
Round 6: Jones
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Turner
Round 9: Turner
Round 10: TKO for Jones

Total through nine completed rounds: 4-3-2 Turner

Official scores were 5-4 Jones, 5-3-1 Jones and 4-4-1 Even. This bout really started to heat up in the 4th and was a really good fight thereafter and could have been fought in a phone booth from then on also. Good fight.

[scartissue]

Here's a bout from a week or so ago between Joseph Parker and Hughie Fury. I wanted to see it because of the disparity in the scorecards and what has been stated after the match. Such as from the Fury camp that he was robbed after putting on a 'Masterclass" performance. They said, "real Ali-type performance". Well, believe me, Ali's rep is safe. I never want to see another Hughie Fury fight again.

Round 1: 10-9 Parker
Round 2: 10-9 Fury
Round 3: 10-9 Parker
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Parker
Round 6: 10-9 Parker
Round 7: 10-9 Fury
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Parker
Round 10: 10-9 Fury
Round 11: 10-9 Parker
Round 12: 10-9 Parker

Total: 117-113 Parker

A horrible match to score with Parker trying but missing and getting mauled whereas Fury was content to jog around the ring with a jab that can only be considered tapping. I gave far more credence to Parker's shots than anything Fury did. Official scores were 118-110 (twice) for Parker and one judge seeing it a draw at 114-114. I thought why would anyone want to fight a spoiler like Fury and then I realized it is probably to familiarize Parker with the British audience for a future date with Anthony Joshua. Now that would be a fight.

[scartissue]

After that Parker-Fury fight I had to wash that out of my head with a good one. So, I lighted upon the second bout between Boom Boom Mancini and Livingstone Bramble. Here we go - phone booth warfare.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Mancini
Round 3: 10-9 Mancini
Round 4: 10-9 Bramble
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Mancini
Round 7: 10-9 Bramble
Round 8: 10-9 Bramble
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Bramble
Round 12: 10-9 Bramble
Round 13: 10-9 Mancini
Round 14: 10-9 Bramble
Round 15: 10-9 Bramble

Total: 146-143 Bramble

The first time I watched it live and had it a draw, just tallying in my head. And to tell you the truth, if I scored this fight again right now I'm sure my score would be different and maybe a draw. Each round was contested so tightly. So great watching a real championship fight contested over 15 rounds.

[Ambling Alp II]

Have really liked this thread. Seamus, scartissue, Nile4000 and others seem to be pretty serious about scoring these fight. They don't seem to be influenced by common opinion and what the announcers are saying.

I do have a question about scoring in fight in general. How much credit do you give a fighter who lands a lot of jabs but there is almost nothing on them? (Not talking a bout a stiff Joe Louis type jab.) They really add up on the compubox numbers.

Let me know what you guys think.

[scartissue]

Have really liked this thread. Seamus, scartissue, Nile4000 and others seem to be pretty serious about scoring these fight. They don't seem to be influenced by common opinion and what the announcers are saying.

I do have a question about scoring in fight in general. How much credit do you give a fighter who lands a lot of jabs but there is almost nothing on them? (Not talking a bout a stiff Joe Louis type jab.) They really add up on the compubox numbers.

Let me know what you guys think.

Alp, I don't give a lot of credence to a lot of taps, unless there is nothing being returned. For example, I have seen people in awe of Nicolino Loche in the 15th round of his first fight with Antonio Cervantes. They talked about his defense and making Cervantes look foolish. Well, I gave the round to Cervantes and I'll tell you why. If you watch the round Loche does absolutely nothing but mug for the Argentine audience. Meanwhile Cervantes is trying to make a fight and is jabbing. The jab is muted by Loche slipping, but they do land. In this case, Cerrvantes is trying to fight, trying to force the jab down Loche's throat and is the only one fighting while Loche spends 3 minutes making faces.

Now, if fighter A is tapping and fighter B lands less but with more heft I will be giving fighter B who is really making a fight of it the benefit in scoring. Of course, if it's a sharp, staccato Ken Buchanan jab, then that's another story. What I'm saying here is there is so much to the equation and the judge's preference. I like clean punching and the type of jab is important.

[Counter-puncher]

Alp, if you want to see a great fight between two contrasting jabbing styles, there's one between Frankie Crawford and a Japanese guy whose name escapes me on this thread I guess maybe 6 or 7 pages back, scartissue recommended it first so he could confirm, I think maybe Saito may have been his name. You'll see one guy with a heavier thudding jab and another with a more insistent Buchanan-like shotgun. Makes it a bit of a nightmare to score as the guy with the lighter jab, those are still no lovetaps he's handing out, it's the the other guys jab is a real George Foreman thunder.

I hope you're well scartissue, I had my technology sorted for while and could get YouTube on a bigger screen but I've lost the connect again so I haven't been scoring any new YouTube fights in a while, hoping to sit back and score some old fights offa DVD soon