Does weight make someones chin better?

[Controversial]

What's your view on this, does weight make someone take a punch better?

[Ambling Alp II]

I don't think weight by itself is going to help a fighter take a punch better. Much of taking a punch is natural ability. Improving your neck muscles could help to a certain extent.

[Caractacus]

also rolling with the punches even tho it may appear the punches landed solidly.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Only in a way that less of a weight cut could make you stronger. Duane bobick wouldn't have improved his chin by becoming a fat slob.

[Mr.DW]

No, not at all. The only thing that makes your chin better is being accustomed to taking a punch. If you only spar with 135 lbrs then you are more than likely not going to take the punch of a 160 lb fighter very well. If you only spar with 160 lbrs then the power of a 135 lbr won't feel as bad as if you only sparred with 135 lbrs.

It's good to spar with a variety of weights. You get accustomed to the speed of lighter fighters and the power/strength of bigger fighters.

[Controversial]

I just find it kinda interesting that guys are knocked out at lighter weights but then move up in weight and take punches off of bigger and harder punchers. Hearns is an example of this, stopped at welterweight and middleweight but moved upto cruiserweight without being stopped. So his chin is the same, the only difference is he is heavier.

[Kalan]

You can't use Hearns as an example, because Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley were good punchers.. Not primarily noted as punchers, but they were the best hitters he faced.. He didn't fight good punchers at higher weights.. Whether you're facing Artur Beterbiev or Virgil Hill matters.

If you gain muscular strength in your neck, it's added weight, but it allows you to take punches better... There are ways to build up your jaw muscles.. If you lift weights properly and gain muscle weight and muscular strength you can take a punch better... I guarantee Roy Jones could take a much better punch when he gained size and strength to fight John Ruiz..

Now if you take that muscle OFF to go back to a LOWER weight division---that may not be all that great for you.. That has to be done carefully.. When you take the weight off the strength comes off with it.. You should stop working out altogether and let the muscle atrophy naturally rather than burn and starve it off.

[Controversial]

You can't use Hearns as an example, because Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley were good punchers.. Not primarily noted as punchers, but they were the best hitters he faced.. He didn't fight good punchers at higher weights.. Whether you're facing Artur Beterbiev or Virgil Hill matters.

If you gain muscular strength in your neck, it's added weight, but it allows you to take punches better... There are ways to build up your jaw muscles.. If you lift weights properly and gain muscle weight and muscular strength you can take a punch better... I guarantee Roy Jones could take a much better punch when he gained size and strength to fight John Ruiz..

Now if you take that muscle OFF to go back to a LOWER weight division---that may not be all that great for you.. That has to be done carefully.. When you take the weight off the strength comes off with it.. You should stop working out altogether and let the muscle atrophy naturally rather than burn and starve it off.

Nate Miller was a decent puncher and naturally the bigger man. So for arguments sake say Hearns weighed 190lbs and Barkley was 160lb, do you think Hearns would’ve still be knocked out by that punch? Weight must have some bearing but surely someone’s neck and jaw strength can only reach a certain strength without them having to pile on too much weight.

[Kalan]

You can't just throw your own strength training program and diet program together---start eating steaks and lifting weights---and have the greatest results. But that is what most guys do. Long before he fought Ruiz, Roy Jones hired one of the world's top specialists in adding weight and strength. His body underwent a complete transformation. All these strength guys do all day is study how human males get bigger, stronger, and faster without using PEDs on the "don't take" list. Some of them---like Victor Conte---have tried to game the system and Conte has been a serial offender. He's had numerous athletes caught and suspended in Track & Field and was convicted and thrown in prison. He moved to a more corrupt sport: Boxing.

Roy Jones himself was nailed for PED use. So was Bermane Stiverne. The enforcement of the rules and the tarnishing of reputations is extremely selective.

[Controversial]

You can't just throw your own strength training program and diet program together---start eating steaks and lifting weights---and have the greatest results. But that is what most guys do. Long before he fought Ruiz, Roy Jones hired one of the world's top specialists in adding weight and strength. His body underwent a complete transformation. All these strength guys do all day is study how human males get bigger, stronger, and faster without using PEDs on the "don't take" list. Some of them---like Victor Conte---have tried to game the system and Conte has been a serial offender. He's had numerous athletes caught and suspended in Track & Field and was convicted and thrown in prison. He moved to a more corrupt sport: Boxing.

Roy Jones himself was nailed for PED use. So was Bermane Stiverne. The enforcement of the rules and the tarnishing of reputations is extremely selective.

What about the below I asked?

Nate Miller was a decent puncher and naturally the bigger man. So for arguments sake say Hearns weighed 190lbs and Barkley was 160lb, do you think Hearns would’ve still be knocked out by that punch? Weight must have some bearing but surely someone’s neck and jaw strength can only reach a certain strength without them having to pile on too much weight.

[gilgamesh]

As Saad touched on the guys that take a punch better by going up in weight take a punch better because they're not draining as badly to make weight as they were before therefore they're all around stronger.

I'll never get why guys drain so much weight to fight at a weight class lower than what is healthy to them. It's not an advantage.

[Vincent stevenson]

I dont know about you guys but i would love to know what performance enhancing drugs the elite level fighters are taking. They all seem to be able to absorb flush shots on the chin with little or no reaction.

[Kalan]

You can't just throw your own strength training program and diet program together---start eating steaks and lifting weights---and have the greatest results. But that is what most guys do. Long before he fought Ruiz, Roy Jones hired one of the world's top specialists in adding weight and strength. His body underwent a complete transformation. All these strength guys do all day is study how human males get bigger, stronger, and faster without using PEDs on the "don't take" list. Some of them---like Victor Conte---have tried to game the system and Conte has been a serial offender. He's had numerous athletes caught and suspended in Track & Field and was convicted and thrown in prison. He moved to a more corrupt sport: Boxing.

Roy Jones himself was nailed for PED use. So was Bermane Stiverne. The enforcement of the rules and the tarnishing of reputations is extremely selective.

What about the below I asked?

Nate Miller was a decent puncher and naturally the bigger man. So for arguments sake say Hearns weighed 190lbs and Barkley was 160lb, do you think Hearns would’ve still be knocked out by that punch? Weight must have some bearing but surely someone’s neck and jaw strength can only reach a certain strength without them having to pile on too much weight.

It would depend on what age he attained 190 pounds... How strong he really was.. How strong his improved neck was..The punch Barkley knocked Hearns out with was an accurate and devastating blow.. He was gone.. But obviously if he were the same age and condition for that weight he'd absorb it better.

[IKSRTFO]

There is a plethora of Tyson neck strengthening clips on the internet, with the usual sycophantic commentary to accompany them.

Didn't do much good against Buster Douglas though did they? His head was snapping back like a ball on elastic.

Of course it did, it's not like Douglas caught Mike with one punch and he was out. Mike took a beating and in the end, he still tried to get up. Mike has never really been knocked cold. Even against Lennox, he was still aware and tried to get up.

[IKSRTFO]

There is a plethora of Tyson neck strengthening clips on the internet, with the usual sycophantic commentary to accompany them.

Didn't do much good against Buster Douglas though did they? His head was snapping back like a ball on elastic.

Of course it did, it's not like Douglas caught Mike with one punch and he was out. Mike took a beating and in the end, he still tried to get up. Mike has never really been knocked cold. Even against Lennox, he was still aware and tried to get up.

I have no idea of the point you trying to make.

From the first round onwards Douglas was snapping Tyson head back with EVERY punch he threw at him as though it was a ball attached to a bat on a piece of elastic. Even the jabs were keeping him off balance, meaning he couldn't set his feet to throw his own shots.

Thus, so much for those stupid videos of Tyson rolling around the ring with only the soles of his feet, and the top of his head in contact with the canvas, accompanied by claims such as, " this is how Mike achieved a 700 hundred and 23" neck which means he can't be hurt " blah, blah, blah

For the record he rolled off his back, and onto one knee at 9. Some might say that was trying to get back up to carry on fighting, some might not.

https://youtu.be/yM6QXfdeRMo?t=168

You said the neck strengthening did no good. Tyson had a pretty good chin even in the Douglas fight. Douglas had to beat Tyson down to stop him. And it's not like Lennox landed a few punches and Tyson was out. Tyson took a 8 round beating and didn't go down until the end.

[Kalan]

There are many things powerful neck muscles CAN'T do -- make you smarter, faster, taller, a better natural athlete, or a better boxer are 6 of them.

There are 18 muscles in the neck, and making them significantly more powerful helps you absorb punches -- but in the absence of superior boxing skills, raw talent, great coaching, and a lot of work, that won't help you a whole lot... You need the package and Tyson had most of the elements... He made 300 million dollars in the business... He blew it all, and is essentially living off his fame like Joe Louis did... He doesn't have a bad life.

Forget neck bridges and chin push-ups... I did them for years because that's what trainers taught in my day -- but that's old school and detrimental... Use a perfectly fitted, neck training head harness...so you can use different postures toi build all 18 muscles evenly.. Avoid strengthening one neck muscle group more than another. You want balanced strength. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YyA96CfNhA

[Kalan]

Mike slacked off to a great degree on many training regimens going into the Douglas fight... It was generally believed Buster had no chance in HELL!!

Mike's hobby at the time was dicking multiple women a day... His powerful neck took a hiatus.

[Tony1244]

First response is no but Foreman and Shannon Briggs seem to be exceptions. Briggs got KOd by a Somebody Wilson and many years and pounds later took he took all those shots from Klitschko.

Foreman took Holyfield's shots better than he took Lyle's or Ali's.

[Kalan]

Some of it is mental -- sheer will power and determination... Foreman got knocked down by Jimmy Young, but seemed very surprised and hurt by it... He was in a very poor place mentally. He didn't have the invincible attitude he carried into the ring with Frazier and Norton.

When Foreman fought Alex Steward he took full blooded swings that shook him to his booties and battered him badly... He never once showed signs of flagging.

[davie]

All other things being equal, a 240lb man will absorb far more power than a 140lb man.

That was the question, the answer is simple. All other tangents we've taken and example given are irrelevant.
A bigger man, proportionate to the smaller man, has a better chin.

[Controversial]

All other things being equal, a 240lb man will absorb far more power than a 140lb man.

That was the question, the answer is simple. All other tangents we've taken and example given are irrelevant.
A bigger man, proportionate to the smaller man, has a better chin.

It’s a strange one. Hitting someone flush on the jaw can cause an instant knock out, just because someone is heavier why would that be harder to happen? For example say Julian Jackson cracked a heavyweight with his best punch there is a good chance he would knock them out. Similarly a heavyweight could hit James Toney with their best punch and not knock him out, but they would flatten Jackson. Do you see what I mean?

[davie]

All other things being equal, a 240lb man will absorb far more power than a 140lb man.

That was the question, the answer is simple. All other tangents we've taken and example given are irrelevant.
A bigger man, proportionate to the smaller man, has a better chin.

It’s a strange one. Hitting someone flush on the jaw can cause an instant knock out, just because someone is heavier why would that be harder to happen? For example say Julian Jackson cracked a heavyweight with his best punch there is a good chance he would knock them out. Similarly a heavyweight could hit James Toney with their best punch and not knock him out, but they would flatten Jackson. Do you see what I mean?

Yes but that is why I used the terms "all things being equal" and "proportionate"

You have used 2 examples there. Arguably the hardest hitter in middleweight history, even p4p.
And one of the hardest chins, not to mention hardest to hit flush chins

you also have to remember. When heavyweights were hitting Toney, he was a heavyweight,he had gained the weight we are discussing, he had added the muscle mass (well some of it would have been muscle).

Had Holyfield hit a 160lb Toney, he would have put him down.

P4P Inoue is one of todays hardest hitters
p4p David Price has one of boxings worst chins.
Price could give Inoue free hits at the start of every round (he'd probably need to get on his knees first) and wouldn't get stopped
you could restrict Price to only throwing left hand jabs and he could probably score a stoppage.

Difference? Size.

[Tony1244]

As Saad touched on the guys that take a punch better by going up in weight take a punch better because they're not draining as badly to make weight as they were before therefore they're all around stronger.

I'll never get why guys drain so much weight to fight at a weight class lower than what is healthy to them. It's not an advantage.

Yes, this is apparent when you watch fights live. I've seen fighters exchange punches live whose bodies look like they've been in a concentration camp, and these punches couldn't break an egg. When you're a few feet away and its live you can see these shots wouldn't hurt ya at all.

[Kalan]

Nobody enjoys being clocked, but big Heavyweights generally have much better punch resistance than smaller fighters. Primo Carnera was a huge man and noted for being chinny.. He wasn't particularly.. If he ended his career after his 94th fight he would have had only 2 KO losses on his record to Louis and Baer.. Like many he stayed too long in the game.. Bear hit Carnera with a great many heavy swings for a lot of rounds.. A man that big can absorb a shot. Valuev was never floored and it wasn't because he was a slickster defensively. Dempsey said hitting Willard was like throwing a pine cone at the side of a barn. At that rate you would think he could keep him down with some of those big, loaded swings. But that's a massive head and neck you're trying to break down.

[gregor]

As Saad touched on the guys that take a punch better by going up in weight take a punch better because they're not draining as badly to make weight as they were before therefore they're all around stronger.

Exactly - while I do not think weight makes much difference here (I guess just a bit if so), weight draining definitely does.

The perfect example is Chris Byrd, at HW stopped only by Wlad and Ike (Povetkin TKO was different thing), but anyway each time it was either by monstrous punch (Ike) or after prolonged beating (Wlad)... and then stopped by relative nobody when he went down to LHW