Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ward, Joe and rjj.

[Kilsby]

Ward, Joe and rjj.

^^^
I'd agree with that. But JC1, AW2 & RJJ3.

Rjj didn't stay at super-middleweight long enough to justify being ranked higher than the other two

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Every fight was either UD or KO.
What can be said about that?
He always had every judge paid off despite being a ZERO draw.


I was never a Ward fan until the Kessler fight.
Kessler was a top fighter and Ward clearly a level higher.
IMO, he looked more impressive than Calzaghe two years earlier.

Then came the hate.
Ward went from being ignored to the #1 enemy of the sport.
Dirty. Boring. Cheater. Dull.
All from fans who couldn't get enough of:
Mayorga, Mayweather, Broner, Fury, McGegregor ... and other WWE character style clowns.

Not one judge even scored a fight a draw.
For a non-draw. Against guys who could have been/or were big draws.
Amazing.

Dirty and cheating overlap.

Boring and dull are the same thing.

theres no doubting wards ability though

Actually,
boring referred to criticisms of in ring entertainment,
dull referred to criticisms of his character outside the ring,
dirty refers to things he was accused of doing in the ring,
cheater refers to the allegations of PED use, judge/scoring fixing, etc.

All separate things right?
You're too stupid to think.
So you'd rather criticize immediately.
Don't read my posts.

[apollo creed]

Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.

[Ossyrules]

Every fight was either UD or KO.
What can be said about that?
He always had every judge paid off despite being a ZERO draw.


I was never a Ward fan until the Kessler fight.
Kessler was a top fighter and Ward clearly a level higher.
IMO, he looked more impressive than Calzaghe two years earlier.

Then came the hate.
Ward went from being ignored to the #1 enemy of the sport.
Dirty. Boring. Cheater. Dull.
All from fans who couldn't get enough of:
Mayorga, Mayweather, Broner, Fury, McGegregor ... and other WWE character style clowns.

Not one judge even scored a fight a draw.
For a non-draw. Against guys who could have been/or were big draws.
Amazing.

Dirty and cheating overlap.

Boring and dull are the same thing.

theres no doubting wards ability though

Actually,
boring referred to criticisms of in ring entertainment,
dull referred to criticisms of his character outside the ring,
dirty refers to things he was accused of doing in the ring,
cheater refers to the allegations of PED use, judge/scoring fixing, etc.

All separate things right?
You're too stupid to think.
So you'd rather criticize immediately.
Don't read my posts.

Funny you should say that as I thought people thought the opposite

Dull in ring performance
Boring out of the ring personality

Cheater in the ring doing foul blows
Dirty out the ring re what goes in his system

You separated them wrong

Don't read my posts you melt

You make jip look knowledgeable

[Ossyrules]

Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.

You are joking! Roy absolutely outclasses ward at his best

Calzaghe fight is up for debate

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ward would give Jones a ton of trouble. 50/50 fight for me. I'd pick calzaghe over ward.

[Tanzio]

Ward is a piece of shiit... a cheating bastard who's running from a very tough division that would give him a number of bad losses... Jay Z lost a fortune on this boy who won by hook or by crook -- so the public never supported Ward because they knew he was a dirt bag cheat.

Ok, whose turn is it to change KalpiJ's diaper?

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.

You are joking! Roy absolutely outclasses ward at his best

Calzaghe fight is up for debate

Hopkins chased the RJJ rematch because he figured Roy out in their first fight.
He was right that RJJ didn't change, but was just athletically superior with special movement.

Prime RJJ beats almost every fighter in their first encounter.
Ward, Hopkins and other ATG type fighters could win the rematch.

Joe is a level below in my opinion. But he was superior to the average fighter. Too fluid and active.

[BitPlayer]

You make jip look knowledgeable

BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You make jip look knowledgeable

BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.

He's the most biased poster here. That's for sure.

[Counter-puncher]

You make jip look knowledgeable

BI is probably one of the most knowledgeable posters here IIRC he has sparred with quite a few top fighters.

I'm not sure you do RC

[klitoris]

Ward is legit talent as much anyone hates to admit it. He is the perfect example of a cerebral fighter who also has a lot of heart. These two particular important traits is what made him win everyone of his fights without having an exceptional skillset or power.
I suspect this isn't the last time we see him, but if it is I think he is definitely a Hall of Famer and probably the top super middleweight in history along with Calzaghe.

[Best Coast]

Ward is a piece of shiit... a cheating bastard who's running from a very tough division that would give him a number of bad losses... Jay Z lost a fortune on this boy who won by hook or by crook -- so the public never supported Ward because they knew he was a dirt bag cheat.

His boring style had far more to do with his lack of popularity than anything else.

[apollo creed]

Ward traumatized Cobra Froch in that fight.

[greg]

"...most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!"

What a statement! Well, I don't think so...

[victor-romeo]

Ward was a master of his game. He beat top notch fighters at the peak of their game like Kessler, Abraham, Froch, Dawson and Kovalev. Ward has retired like a true king from this sport! Undefeated, young, healthy and after he beat the man from his division! Well done champ!

Ward was a good fighter but in my opinon not on quiet on same level as Hagler, Leonard, Holyfield, Duran, Tyson, Whitaker, RJJ , I think Mosley and De La hoya as good if not better..
I'm not sure he even beats prime Calzaghe
So Ward was good but not "Ward was one of most complete and versatille fighters that boxing gave!"

[victor-romeo]

Prime for Prime I think Ward beats RJJ and Calzaghe. Ward would outmaneuver and annoy the #hit out of RJJ and Zaghe.

Calzaghe maybe rjj never.

[caldo2025]

Boy talk about a fighter doing it right. I was never an Andre Ward fan most of his career but when he KO'd Kovalev, it proved me wrong on every level about this guy. That was shocking and there's no way I could argue any other way but to say that he's a "great" and belongs in the discussion for top 20 fighters in history.

Andre is unlike these other great fighters that only retire to take a few years off before coming back. It doesn't appear he's doing this to avoid mandatory defenses. I think he's going to stay retired and good for him.

His record is far far too light to be in the top 20 all time. That's jip level sensationalism

Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.

[Ossyrules]

Boy talk about a fighter doing it right. I was never an Andre Ward fan most of his career but when he KO'd Kovalev, it proved me wrong on every level about this guy. That was shocking and there's no way I could argue any other way but to say that he's a "great" and belongs in the discussion for top 20 fighters in history.

Andre is unlike these other great fighters that only retire to take a few years off before coming back. It doesn't appear he's doing this to avoid mandatory defenses. I think he's going to stay retired and good for him.

His record is far far too light to be in the top 20 all time. That's jip level sensationalism

Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.

I won't be taking in consideration his fights as a 13 year old!

Pro boxing, there is 100% more than 19 boxers that will be above him. He's not even close to being in that conversation

[apollo creed]

Ward has accomplished all in boxing as amateur and pro. He retired undefeated at 33 y/o , like a boss!

[RScarf1]

Gold medal in the Olympics and undefeated since he was 12 years old. His trophy case is unlike anyone that has come along. I think that he will definitely be considered a top 20 fighter when history is written. If not, he'll be close.

Top 20 of all time? You've got to be kidding. He won't be close. History has already been written for Ward.

[greg]

..no that it matters but wasn't his amateur career record: 115-5?

[RScarf1]

..no that it matters but wasn't his amateur career record: 115-5?

I think Lomachenko's amateur record is a lot better: 396-1 with the one loss avenged.

[squiggy]

I don't mark him top 20 of my own lifetime, much less all time.