ward-kova II, why not overturned?

[Blodhemn]

Because its a rough tough sport and that kind of namby pamby approach just doesn't fit in with the ideals of the sport, you get a Duran or Tyson flirting with the rules and its celebrated because they are bad guys, but a pure boxer does it and everybody is up in arms, man up guys or follow a different sport

Since when was Ward a pure boxer? He's more of the Hatton, grab and hit type. Always has been.

Ward for me was technically more correct than Hatton, with a better thought process behind his work and the kind of feet only the best posses

While true, I still wouldn't call him a pure boxer. Too much of the grab, let go and hit technique, which Hatton was quite a fan of.

[littlepug]

Since when was Ward a pure boxer? He's more of the Hatton, grab and hit type. Always has been.

Ward for me was technically more correct than Hatton, with a better thought process behind his work and the kind of feet only the best posses

While true, I still wouldn't call him a pure boxer. Too much of the grab, let go and hit technique, which Hatton was quite a fan of.

Will let you have the grab thing but gotta do what yer gotta do

[Blodhemn]

Ward for me was technically more correct than Hatton, with a better thought process behind his work and the kind of feet only the best posses

While true, I still wouldn't call him a pure boxer. Too much of the grab, let go and hit technique, which Hatton was quite a fan of.

Will let you have the grab thing but gotta do what yer gotta do

Lol ok.

[Badhusker]

why was this fight not over turned and a
rematch ordered since it was a TKO and
the final punch was a low blow?

i am not cynical about this, but shouldn't
sanctioning bodies be doing exactly this
kind of thing, especially if even the ref
concedes he got it wrong?

btw i think ward adapted very well in the
fight and would have won anyways. still ...

Probably for the same reason that Khan-Judah wasn't overturned. They thought the result was inevitable. Not right, but its the way it is.

[Mexi-Box]

Because its a rough tough sport and that kind of namby pamby approach just doesn't fit in with the ideals of the sport, you get a Duran or Tyson flirting with the rules and its celebrated because they are bad guys, but a pure boxer does it and everybody is up in arms, man up guys or follow a different sport

Let's legalize low blows then since they don't matter.

Of course they matter.... if you get caught, the smartest pros will always let one go low to slow down an over zealous opponent, theres too much at stake for these guys not to flirt around the rules, its always been that way, its the unwritten rule that you suck it up and take it like a man, its what separates boxing from other sports in that it mirrors real life in all its glory, tragedy and injustice

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

[littlepug]

Let's legalize low blows then since they don't matter.

Of course they matter.... if you get caught, the smartest pros will always let one go low to slow down an over zealous opponent, theres too much at stake for these guys not to flirt around the rules, its always been that way, its the unwritten rule that you suck it up and take it like a man, its what separates boxing from other sports in that it mirrors real life in all its glory, tragedy and injustice

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

Happened many times to me mate along with elbows and headbutts, you've got 2 choices, pay em back in kind or ignore it completely, complaining to the ref isn't an option

[ewenhay]

Because we can't overturn every fight where people's favourite fighters have lost.

[Mexi-Box]

Of course they matter.... if you get caught, the smartest pros will always let one go low to slow down an over zealous opponent, theres too much at stake for these guys not to flirt around the rules, its always been that way, its the unwritten rule that you suck it up and take it like a man, its what separates boxing from other sports in that it mirrors real life in all its glory, tragedy and injustice

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

Happened many times to me mate along with elbows and headbutts, you've got 2 choices, pay em back in kind or ignore it completely, complaining to the ref isn't an option

That's why there are rules in place. Man, you sound ignorant as hell, dude.

[littlepug]

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

Happened many times to me mate along with elbows and headbutts, you've got 2 choices, pay em back in kind or ignore it completely, complaining to the ref isn't an option

That's why there are rules in place. Man, you sound ignorant as hell, dude.

You're completely missing the point dude

[Best Coast]

Because we can't overturn every fight where people's favourite fighters have lost.

Good one!!

[greg]

..because it took place in the "Mecca" of boxing?

[Enlightened-One]

ward-kova II, why not overturned?

The notion that you're proposing is rather silly.

[man]

Because we can't overturn every fight where people's favourite fighters have lost.

you're missing the point.

[man]

ward-kova II, why not overturned?

The notion that you're proposing is rather silly.

not everyone can be ... enlightened.

[Badhusker]

Let's legalize low blows then since they don't matter.

Of course they matter.... if you get caught, the smartest pros will always let one go low to slow down an over zealous opponent, theres too much at stake for these guys not to flirt around the rules, its always been that way, its the unwritten rule that you suck it up and take it like a man, its what separates boxing from other sports in that it mirrors real life in all its glory, tragedy and injustice

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

Just curious, what did you think of the Khan/Judah fight ending?

[greg]

ward-kova II, why not overturned?

The notion that you're proposing is rather silly.

not everyone can be ... enlightened.

..or verlichte

[Mexi-Box]

Of course they matter.... if you get caught, the smartest pros will always let one go low to slow down an over zealous opponent, theres too much at stake for these guys not to flirt around the rules, its always been that way, its the unwritten rule that you suck it up and take it like a man, its what separates boxing from other sports in that it mirrors real life in all its glory, tragedy and injustice

Let someone hit you in the balls and see if you can suck it up and take it like a man.

Just curious, what did you think of the Khan/Judah fight ending?

Zab Judah keeps his nuts on his belt-line?

Kovalev/Ward was a clear, clear low-blow that didn't even hit the belt-line.

[Kalan]

why was this fight not over turned and a
rematch ordered since it was a TKO and
the final punch was a low blow?

i am not cynical about this, but shouldn't
sanctioning bodies be doing exactly this
kind of thing, especially if even the ref
concedes he got it wrong?

btw i think ward adapted very well in the
fight and would have won anyways. still ...

You think???? ... Since Kovalev had actually done better in the majority of rounds to that point there's a very good chance he would have won.. Fights are not stopped and victories are not awarded legitimately because somebody bent over from illegal blows.. I can't ever remember seeing that before.

I've seen boxers get turned around---Floyd and Wladimir for instance---and the referee jumps in between the boxers so he can safely turn back around... I've seen boxers flag from a punch in the eye and the referee stops the assault to examine what happened to the eye... A boxer loses his mouth piece and the referee stops the action... A bad head butt (Mikey and Floyd) will cause the referee to physically grab the opponent... Mikey got awarded the fight and Floyd took advantage of a contrite Victor... Ward already had a formal warning for low blows... points deserved to be taken.

Weeks had a clear view of the low blows that he said he missed...so he had to have been in cahoots with the other crooks...including the NSAC... Since the NSAC let Floyd skate on PED usage and illegal IV's -- how did you ever expect anything different from the bastards in this case???

[Iownthisforum]

I always liked Ward as a fighter. He is very good. However, the second fight with Kovalev was a complete joke. The low blows were Andrew Goloata-ish. And the ref, the HBO announcers, just pretended like it didn't happen (and still do when they talk about it).

Max "dumb dumb" Kellerman tonight shared his thoughts on Andre Ward retiring. He said that he was "very proud of him," as if Andre Ward was his son, or a family member, or something. The fact that this wasn't changed to a no contest demonstrates that the athletic commissions have a corruption problem. It should also be said though that HBO has its own problems as well. Their announcing team has shown over the years ridiculous favoritism to fighters that have deals with HBO, and to fighters that are friends with the broadcast team.

They shouldn't have active fighters call fights and get to be buddy-buddy with the announcers who will be calling their fights (because they are still active fighters). I'm all for world class fighters calling the fights, but wait until they retire. Total disgrace that this isn't a no-contest. They make fights a no contest if a fighter tests positive for pot, and we know that's not a performance enhancing drug.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCdQZQo2yE

[Iownthisforum]

Terrible video. First off, anything below the belt is an illegal punch, doesn't have to hit him square on the sack. Second off, the camera angles are horrible and the ref is almost always in the way when the worst punches are shown (as was the case in the majority of the replays HBO decided to show, even though they have cameras all around the ring). Third this dude says he hit him "on the white" (referring to the belt) at one point, when you can clearly see it was below the belt on one punch.

And finally, he knocked him out with a double left hook to the sack. Propaganda. What the scorecards were to me is irrelevant at the time of the stoppage. He earned a knockout from an illegal punch, and judging by the number of low blows he threw in the fight, should have been ruled a no contest. Total disgrace.

[man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCdQZQo2yE

thnx for the clip.

[greg]

..this is NOT the question of who was winning and who was losing the rematch..and it's not the question of effective body punches, it's about the stoppage and its legitimacy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxlV5C4KHY

[Tomasino]

While true, I still wouldn't call him a pure boxer. Too much of the grab, let go and hit technique, which Hatton was quite a fan of.

Will let you have the grab thing but gotta do what yer gotta do

Lol ok.

If you think Ward is like Hatton then you must be fuckin blind.

[tigermoth87]

Because Ward is American and they get away with everything.

He could have had his cornerman whack Kov with a steel chair and he'd still get the win.