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SaadOffTheDeck
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I don't disagree that he had no intention of the fight not going a few rounds. You actually think he let Conor snap back his head with punches intentionally? That's where the perspective gets silly to me.
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I think boxing fans are often just delusional when it comes to Floyd. Maidana whipped his ass and a 1-armed Pacquiao outboxed and outlanded him. It's almost if you don't appreciate the way in which Floyd stifles a fight or loses a round (on purpose to measure up his opponent) you don't get to be part of the elite boxing fans club.
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HomicideHenry
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The sheer animosity from the boxing purists, experts and typical dickriders in the business has been appalling in my eyes. Every last one of you said that he'd get kayoed in one round. Every last one of you said he was a complete joke, had no business in "this world", and that boxing would kill the UFC with this contest.
Then... The guy actually was competitive, tried his best, stole some rounds, and even made Floyd look somewhat befuddled at times... And now every last one of you want to say, "Floyd carried him," or "Floyd made him look good on purpose," as if to not just diminish the Challenger more, but to uphold boxing as if to deny that "the greatest" ever looked bad at any point in the fight: As if to save boxing from criticism?
Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, and many others said they were shocked, surprised, at how well McGregor done. If Floyd carried him, don't you think the legends would have denounced Floyd Mayweather for doing so? They didn't, and why? Because Floyd didn't! The poor man just gassed. Had he had a smigen more cardio it'd of went the whole twelve rounds, and we'd be bitching about the judges fucked up scorecards (if not a robbery, if you can actually imagine it).
If Mayweather was ahead, it was 86-85. 5-4. He clearly lost the first three, and the fourth was even, and I'd give McGregor one more. Btw, what was up with Byrd in that last round? McGregor appeared to have Floyd hurt in the corner, then Byrd broke it up, and that gave Floyd time to recover, and he gets the stoppage. I'd have to review that last round again.
I will say, I wish Byrd did a little more homework on McGregor, only because the man has been fatigued and wobbly legs many times in fights, only to come back to win. Not saying he'd of beaten Floyd, but McGregor is notorious (pardon the pun) for coming on strong late AFTER tiring.
All in all an exciting fight, and I was pleasantly surprised that Floyd did in fact keep his promise to fight offensive. Haven't seen him THIS fun to watch since he was 130 pounds fighting guys like Arturo Gatti.... And that's another reason why I don't buy the excuses by the purists ("carried him", "made him look good") because Floyd was trying to take him out from round one.
And Floyd himself said, "He's a tough competitor", and was genuinely "surprised by his skills," because he was expecting a cake walk. I do expect Conor McGregor to return to boxing, maybe in a 10 rounder with Paulie Malignaggi to shut up all rumors once and for all.
If I'm not mistaken Dana White has said he will release the sparring videos (in full) that Paulie Malignaggi was involved in. Amir Khan has said he believes McGregor beats Paulie's ass. So it'll definitely be interesting if/when that happens.
Then... The guy actually was competitive, tried his best, stole some rounds, and even made Floyd look somewhat befuddled at times... And now every last one of you want to say, "Floyd carried him," or "Floyd made him look good on purpose," as if to not just diminish the Challenger more, but to uphold boxing as if to deny that "the greatest" ever looked bad at any point in the fight: As if to save boxing from criticism?
Ray Leonard, Lennox Lewis, and many others said they were shocked, surprised, at how well McGregor done. If Floyd carried him, don't you think the legends would have denounced Floyd Mayweather for doing so? They didn't, and why? Because Floyd didn't! The poor man just gassed. Had he had a smigen more cardio it'd of went the whole twelve rounds, and we'd be bitching about the judges fucked up scorecards (if not a robbery, if you can actually imagine it).
If Mayweather was ahead, it was 86-85. 5-4. He clearly lost the first three, and the fourth was even, and I'd give McGregor one more. Btw, what was up with Byrd in that last round? McGregor appeared to have Floyd hurt in the corner, then Byrd broke it up, and that gave Floyd time to recover, and he gets the stoppage. I'd have to review that last round again.
I will say, I wish Byrd did a little more homework on McGregor, only because the man has been fatigued and wobbly legs many times in fights, only to come back to win. Not saying he'd of beaten Floyd, but McGregor is notorious (pardon the pun) for coming on strong late AFTER tiring.
All in all an exciting fight, and I was pleasantly surprised that Floyd did in fact keep his promise to fight offensive. Haven't seen him THIS fun to watch since he was 130 pounds fighting guys like Arturo Gatti.... And that's another reason why I don't buy the excuses by the purists ("carried him", "made him look good") because Floyd was trying to take him out from round one.
And Floyd himself said, "He's a tough competitor", and was genuinely "surprised by his skills," because he was expecting a cake walk. I do expect Conor McGregor to return to boxing, maybe in a 10 rounder with Paulie Malignaggi to shut up all rumors once and for all.
If I'm not mistaken Dana White has said he will release the sparring videos (in full) that Paulie Malignaggi was involved in. Amir Khan has said he believes McGregor beats Paulie's ass. So it'll definitely be interesting if/when that happens.
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Boxerbeetle
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Pacquiao outboxed him?Ricky_ wrote:I think boxing fans are often just delusional when it comes to Floyd. Maidana whipped his ass and a 1-armed Pacquiao outboxed and outlanded him. It's almost if you don't appreciate the way in which Floyd stifles a fight or loses a round (on purpose to measure up his opponent) you don't get to be part of the elite boxing fans club.
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Yes, outboxed and outlanded winning the majority of the exchanges with a man firmly on his bike.Boxerbeetle wrote:Pacquiao outboxed him?Ricky_ wrote:I think boxing fans are often just delusional when it comes to Floyd. Maidana whipped his ass and a 1-armed Pacquiao outboxed and outlanded him. It's almost if you don't appreciate the way in which Floyd stifles a fight or loses a round (on purpose to measure up his opponent) you don't get to be part of the elite boxing fans club.
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Boxerbeetle
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You may well be right, it was 5am here by the time the fight started and I was extremely tired and rather drunk. I certainly felt at the time that Floyd was going easy on him deliberately, but perhaps he was trying harder than I realised. Don't really have much inclination to go back and check tbh.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't disagree that he had no intention of the fight not going a few rounds. You actually think he let Conor snap back his head with punches intentionally? That's where the perspective gets silly to me.
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Boxerbeetle
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No way did Pacquiao outbox Mayweather.Ricky_ wrote:Yes, outboxed and outlanded winning the majority of the exchanges with a man firmly on his bike.Boxerbeetle wrote:Pacquiao outboxed him?Ricky_ wrote:I think boxing fans are often just delusional when it comes to Floyd. Maidana whipped his ass and a 1-armed Pacquiao outboxed and outlanded him. It's almost if you don't appreciate the way in which Floyd stifles a fight or loses a round (on purpose to measure up his opponent) you don't get to be part of the elite boxing fans club.
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Boxerbeetle wrote:No way did Pacquiao outbox Mayweather.Ricky_ wrote:Yes, outboxed and outlanded winning the majority of the exchanges with a man firmly on his bike.Boxerbeetle wrote:
Pacquiao outboxed him?
Yes, sorry i strayed from the program. Mayweather schooled him... by landing absolutely nothing of note for 36 minutes while running for his life.
Should let Spain know too, get with the program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Kij5gLwZY
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Official scorecards: https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/8/27/1 ... -scorecard
Thumbs up to judge Moretti for his accurate score.
Thumbs up to judge Moretti for his accurate score.
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thomasjkelley wrote:No opinion on this thread ever shocks me. Floyd wasn't playing in those first 3 rounds. This was McGregor's first ever professional boxing match. He looked a bit unorthodox at times but that piston jab that was snapping Mayweather's head back, isn't too bad a technique. And how about that head movement? Did that look terrible? He didn't sit down on his punches and he through hammer fists. Two techniques ingrained in his muscle memory from years of MMA. How would this fight look if McGregor had 10 years of experience? And 20 professional fights? I don't remember one single person on Earth who said or thought that McGregor would even be competitive, never mind win a few rounds convincingly. The consensus was what...this was a circus? a side show? And there isn't a boxing fan on the planet who didn't think "Oh oh!" after the first 3 rds. And the saving grace was "No worries, he'll gas out, he doesn't have the stamina to go 12 rounds." Far cry from the whitewash a good 99% of boxing fans predicted.
Only boxing fans who have never seen a Floyd fight. If you've seen any fight of Floyd's, many times he's given away the first few rounds and McGregor was no more threatening in those rounds than De La Hoya, Judah, or Maidana. And it's not like McGregor has better stamina than them. At least they survived the last few rounds.
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gilgamesh wrote:A wee bit risky to bank on a KO victory for a guy that hasn't won by KO in 6 years, but it proved a worthwhile, and a smart strategy. He definitely would've been leaving the door open more for the potential upset if he'd been aggressive early. So yeah you're right, it was probably the smartest way to go about it.
Not risky when you consider Conor fights with his hands down with no defense. Floyd knew at one point, he would get his chance to tee off on Conor.
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He wouldn't make it out of round 1 against a smaller opponent of that type even. Maybe some perspective would set in then. He'd beat absolutely no one.Boxerbeetle wrote:I agree. Taking the first 3 rounds against Mayweather (who decided to barely throw a punch during that time) is hardly the same as hanging in with someone trying to take your head off from the opening bell.Blodhemn wrote:Eh, I believe many elite athletes or amateur boxers could hang with Floyd for a few rounds, that's his style. Slow starter that eventually chokes the life out of the opponent and fight itself. Nothing special in getting a few rounds in. What is special is the ability of the snake oil salesman sweeping the country.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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I wouldn't begin to say what level of trying Floyd was doing, 6 punches a round suggests he wasn't full force. Either way, McGregor was better than Floyd thought he was, hence the clean shots landing. I thought heading in Floyd might try to do a Willie Pep and win a round without throwing a punch.Boxerbeetle wrote:You may well be right, it was 5am here by the time the fight started and I was extremely tired and rather drunk. I certainly felt at the time that Floyd was going easy on him deliberately, but perhaps he was trying harder than I realised. Don't really have much inclination to go back and check tbh.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't disagree that he had no intention of the fight not going a few rounds. You actually think he let Conor snap back his head with punches intentionally? That's where the perspective gets silly to me.
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^^The Pep bit is exactly what I said after 2 minutes of the first round. PBF had yet to throw a punch.
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Dawson was weight drained -- and was actually done as a fighter when he fought Ward... He lost to swinger Jean Pascaul before he lost to Ward. None of the others he beat could box that well except Kovalev... Kovalev beat Ward at least 116-111 in their first fight and Tony Weeks admitted there was no reason for a stoppage in the rematch -- and that he made a mistake. "I didn't see the low blow." Maybe you're freakin' blind because it was 8 inches below the navel.Lackeos wrote:Ward fought Kovalev twice, Dawson, Froch, Abraham, and Kessler. So... you're an idiot.boxing_rocks wrote:Looking forward to Jack vs Bivol. I have a feeling that Ward won't be interested in fighting Jack.
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Floyd didn't throw cuz he was getting peppered with punches. He didn't want to catch a big one. Hence Floyd said "He was a lot better than I thought." McGregor has a half decent offense. Floyd didn't throw until the 4th when McGregor started to show early signs of exhaustion. You don't give up 3 rounds in the "Biggest Combat Sports Event of All Time" which obviously millions of duped fans believed it was -- but it was an over-hyped Snake River Canyon Jump event..SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I wouldn't begin to say what level of trying Floyd was doing, 6 punches a round suggests he wasn't full force. Either way, McGregor was better than Floyd thought he was, hence the clean shots landing. I thought heading in Floyd might try to do a Willie Pep and win a round without throwing a punch.Boxerbeetle wrote:You may well be right, it was 5am here by the time the fight started and I was extremely tired and rather drunk. I certainly felt at the time that Floyd was going easy on him deliberately, but perhaps he was trying harder than I realised. Don't really have much inclination to go back and check tbh.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't disagree that he had no intention of the fight not going a few rounds. You actually think he let Conor snap back his head with punches intentionally? That's where the perspective gets silly to me.
You're going to run out of gas quickly if you don't do roadwork and you can't box.. Especially if your head is in the air as a can't miss target because your stance is fkd up... McGregor has no defensive skills so he backed straight away absorbing every big loaded right hand thrown when his energy started draining... He was quick enough to dodge a few punches but has extremely poor technical skills.. If he actually learned how to box he'd be good.
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I'm not blind to the fact that Ward agreed to fight Kovalev twice. Therefore there is literally no one he would avoid. The fact that you're focusing on what happened during the fights instead of the fact that Ward agreed to participate in the fights means that you know you're wrong and you're trying to deflect. The subject, by the way, was how much willingness Ward shows to get in the right with tough opponents.Kalan wrote:Dawson was weight drained -- and was actually done as a fighter when he fought Ward... He lost to swinger Jean Pascaul before he lost to Ward. None of the others he beat could box that well except Kovalev... Kovalev beat Ward at least 116-111 in their first fight and Tony Weeks admitted there was no reason for a stoppage in the rematch -- and that he made a mistake. "I didn't see the low blow." Maybe you're freakin' blind because it was 8 inches below the navel.Lackeos wrote:Ward fought Kovalev twice, Dawson, Froch, Abraham, and Kessler. So... you're an idiot.boxing_rocks wrote:Looking forward to Jack vs Bivol. I have a feeling that Ward won't be interested in fighting Jack.
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jamesmcdonnell
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Hilarious.Ricky_ wrote:Yes, outboxed and outlanded winning the majority of the exchanges with a man firmly on his bike.Boxerbeetle wrote:Pacquiao outboxed him?Ricky_ wrote:I think boxing fans are often just delusional when it comes to Floyd. Maidana whipped his ass and a 1-armed Pacquiao outboxed and outlanded him. It's almost if you don't appreciate the way in which Floyd stifles a fight or loses a round (on purpose to measure up his opponent) you don't get to be part of the elite boxing fans club.