Daniel Jacobs vs. Canelo Alvarez: Official Poll!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Former WBA 'regular' middleweight champion Daniel Jacobs (32-2, 29 KOs) was a very interested observer in the recent middleweight clash between Gennady Golovkin and Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

"Canelo didn't really show me anything that I didn't do first. And all credit to Canelo. I thought he went out there and fought his heart out, as best as he could, but I don't think he got the victory or even close to a draw. But, it's a totally different game in there. I'm a full fledged middleweight. My confidence is through the roof now."

"[How would it end with me and Canelo], I say stoppage. I really feel that coming into who I've become... as a man, as an athlete, as a professional... I really feel that I can go in there and get the job done. What he brings to the table, and I'm not knocking anything, but size matters in boxing, physiques matter... it's different. I'm telling you its different and I do see myself stopping Canelo."

So Danny has his name in the money game.. Seems confident enough. Just wanted to add an official poll to the thread. I know we get a few here and there.. But wanted to get a forum wide poll going, to see what you guys think. Take away all the negatives, e.g. hometown decisions or robberies.

Who wins?

[Enlightened-One]

It's easy to favour Daniel Jacobs for two reasons: he's naturally bigger than Canelo; and he was more effective against GGG.

However, there are subplots that need to be considered...

Daniel Jacobs was a massive underdog for his bout against GGG and the American hadn't previously shown anything truly impressive other than the Quillin KO. So there's a question mark over Gennady's attitude when he took the Jacobs fight, such as: did he underestimate his opponent? Many people from this forum clearly did.

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

People probably fancy Jacobs to wipe the floor with Canelo, but I'm not so sure. It'll be a tough fight and the Mexican has got an incredibly sturdy beard.

If Canelo can up his workrate, he is capable of defeating Jacobs by decision.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

The size advantage also favored Jacobs heavily.

[dagilechia]

I think that Jacobs did better vs Golovkin than Alvarez but in their confrontation I think Canelo wins on points

[IKSRTFO]

It's easy to favour Daniel Jacobs for two reasons: he's naturally bigger than Canelo; and he was more effective against GGG.

However, there are subplots that need to be considered...

Daniel Jacobs was a massive underdog for his bout against GGG and the American hadn't previously shown anything truly impressive other than the Quillin KO. So there's a question mark over Gennady's attitude when he took the Jacobs fight, such as: did he underestimate his opponent? Many people from this forum clearly did.

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

People probably fancy Jacobs to wipe the floor with Canelo, but I'm not so sure. It'll be a tough fight and the Mexican has got an incredibly sturdy beard.

If Canelo can up his workrate, he is capable of defeating Jacobs by decision.

That's problem. He can't up his workrate therefore Jacobs can beat him.

[Enlightened-One]

It's easy to favour Daniel Jacobs for two reasons: he's naturally bigger than Canelo; and he was more effective against GGG.

However, there are subplots that need to be considered...

Daniel Jacobs was a massive underdog for his bout against GGG and the American hadn't previously shown anything truly impressive other than the Quillin KO. So there's a question mark over Gennady's attitude when he took the Jacobs fight, such as: did he underestimate his opponent? Many people from this forum clearly did.

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

People probably fancy Jacobs to wipe the floor with Canelo, but I'm not so sure. It'll be a tough fight and the Mexican has got an incredibly sturdy beard.

If Canelo can up his workrate, he is capable of defeating Jacobs by decision.

That's problem. He can't up his workrate therefore Jacobs can beat him.

Of course, Jacobs can beat Canelo and he may even be considered the betting favourite to do so. However, I reckon the Mexican has learned something from his fight against Golovkin, which relates to the fact that he probably hasn’t carried his power up with him when he moved to 160lbs.

The Mexican is young enough to address this stylistic flaw, perhaps by loading up less, not looking to hurt his opponent with each and every single shot thrown and to alter his approach during training camp to focus on stamina rather than power. He looked far too stocky and muscular for my liking against Golovkin.

What I’m suggesting is clearly easier said than done, but I personally think it’s a little harsh to believe that it’s categorically impossible for a young fighter like Canelo to adapt to his new weight class, by altering his approach to become more of a volume puncher than a concussive puncher.

[IKSRTFO]

It's easy to favour Daniel Jacobs for two reasons: he's naturally bigger than Canelo; and he was more effective against GGG.

However, there are subplots that need to be considered...

Daniel Jacobs was a massive underdog for his bout against GGG and the American hadn't previously shown anything truly impressive other than the Quillin KO. So there's a question mark over Gennady's attitude when he took the Jacobs fight, such as: did he underestimate his opponent? Many people from this forum clearly did.

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

People probably fancy Jacobs to wipe the floor with Canelo, but I'm not so sure. It'll be a tough fight and the Mexican has got an incredibly sturdy beard.

If Canelo can up his workrate, he is capable of defeating Jacobs by decision.

That's problem. He can't up his workrate therefore Jacobs can beat him.

Of course, Jacobs can beat Canelo and he may even be considered the betting favourite to do so. However, I reckon the Mexican has learned something from his fight against Golovkin, which relates to the fact that he probably hasn’t carried his power up with him when he moved to 160lbs.

The Mexican is young enough to address this stylistic flaw, perhaps by loading up less, not looking to hurt his opponent with each and every single shot thrown and to alter his approach during training camp to focus on stamina rather than power. He looked far too stocky and muscular for my liking against Golovkin.

What I’m suggesting is clearly easier said than done, but I personally think it’s a little harsh to believe that it’s categorically impossible for a young fighter like Canelo to adapt to his new weight class, by altering his approach to become more of a volume puncher than a concussive puncher.

If he hasn't learned that by now, he probably won't. He's had stamina problems in the Mayweather fight and that was 4 years ago.

And while he's young, in career terms, he isn't that young. He is likely to break down earlier than the average fighter his age. Fernando Vargas was young too.

[Cent0089]

is there some negotiations about that fight? :O :O

[boxing_rocks]

With fare judging, Jacobs wins.

[ValMar]

Canelo, I have not any doubts............

[Ruthless-RKO]

I have no doubt that if Jacobs attended the IBF weigh in and didn't come in over 180.. GGG would have won more convincingly..

[boxing_rocks]

I have no doubt that if Jacobs attended the IBF weigh in and didn't come in over 180.. GGG would have won more convincingly..

Yep, Jacobs needed that handicap to survive.

[greg]

I have no doubt that if Jacobs attended the IBF weigh in and didn't come in over 180.. GGG would have won more convincingly..

..belonging to different weight categories on a fight night is something I disapprove of..kinda defeats the purpose of creating equal pre-conditions for a boxing match..

[Enlightened-One]

Team GGG and the boxing fraternity expected Jacobs to not bother contending for the IBF belt, because after all, the bout was mandated by the WBA.

Everyone from Team GGG claimed that Jacobs weighing more than 170lbs was not a issue, so why are you claiming that Golovkin had to overcome some sort of Herculean weight disadvantage in order to compete in some sort of mythical David versus Goliath type fight?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Team GGG and the boxing fraternity expected Jacobs to not bother contending for the IBF belt, because after all, the bout was mandated by the WBA.

Everyone from Team GGG claimed that Jacobs weighing more than 170lbs was not a issue, so why are you claiming that Golovkin had to overcome some sort of Herculean weight disadvantage in order to compete in some sort of mythical David versus Goliath type fight?

As far as they wer aware, Jacobs was going to challenge for all GGG's titles.. only on the fight day we all found out Jacobs skipped the weigh in.

[Enlightened-One]

Team GGG and the boxing fraternity expected Jacobs to not bother contending for the IBF belt, because after all, the bout was mandated by the WBA.

Everyone from Team GGG claimed that Jacobs weighing more than 170lbs was not a issue, so why are you claiming that Golovkin had to overcome some sort of Herculean weight disadvantage in order to compete in some sort of mythical David versus Goliath type fight?

As far as they wer aware, Jacobs was going to challenge for all GGG's titles.. only on the fight day we all found out Jacobs skipped the weigh in.

David Lemieux did the same thing as Jacobs when he fought Curtis Stevens... and no one from this forum even batted an eyelid.

It seems that people are only outraged by certain situations if it affects their favourite fighter, otherwise these type of issues are deemed insignificant and generally ignored.

If GGG wasn't bothered about Jacobs' actions, which many boxing pundits predicted, then it really shouldn't be considered an issue... otherwise Team Golovkin would have included a weight rehydration limit to the fight contract, but they didn't.

Danny Jacobs didn't break any rules and the only thing that matters is that he officially weighed 159.8lbs. Nobody knows for certain what his rehydrated ring weight was on fight night.

[pizzakid13]

It's easy to favour Daniel Jacobs for two reasons: he's naturally bigger than Canelo; and he was more effective against GGG.

However, there are subplots that need to be considered...

Daniel Jacobs was a massive underdog for his bout against GGG and the American hadn't previously shown anything truly impressive other than the Quillin KO. So there's a question mark over Gennady's attitude when he took the Jacobs fight, such as: did he underestimate his opponent? Many people from this forum clearly did.

Also, Golovkin was clearly at his very best against Canelo, because it was the biggest fight of his career. So did that mean that Alvarez faced a better version of Golovkin than Jacobs did?

People probably fancy Jacobs to wipe the floor with Canelo, but I'm not so sure. It'll be a tough fight and the Mexican has got an incredibly sturdy beard.

If Canelo can up his workrate, he is capable of defeating Jacobs by decision.

I think the opposite about ggg. He was gassed early and very cautious.

[Jip]

Jacobs is at his prime and um prime version a very dangerous middleweight. Capable of hurting ending anybody. Canelo has a Great chin, can move amd has anice altelery of punches, but at the end jacobs just too big too strong too powerful of a puncher. Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg. Canelo did all he can and lost by 2-4 rds.

Jacobs win tko

[boxing_rocks]

Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg.

No, he wasn't

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg.

No, he wasn't

Maybe not you, but many people felt that way.
I can't imagine how an impartial observer thought the fight was wide either way.

[boxing_rocks]

Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg.

No, he wasn't

Maybe not you, but many people felt that way.
I can't imagine how an impartial observer thought the fight was wide either way.

It wasn't that wide, but it was a confident win by GGG.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Canelo fight Jacobs how will Golden Boy let that happen they will starve the guts out of him what will the weight be somewhere around the 69kilo limit they will not touch the Miracle Man with a ten foot pole because if they did the Golden Goose would be right outta eggs GOLDEN BOY FUCKED

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg.

No, he wasn't

NO HE WAS'NT BECAUSE HE WON AGAINST GGG THEN WE SEE GGG GET ROBBED AGAINST CANELO THATS THE TRUTH

[jezzamundo]

Jacobs was realy close to deafeating ggg.

No, he wasn't

NO HE WAS'NT BECAUSE HE WON AGAINST GGG THEN WE SEE GGG GET ROBBED AGAINST CANELO THATS THE TRUTH

As long as you know you are in the minority in that belief - about 70% of people had GGG winning. Looking at the fight in its entirety, it's hard to argue agaisnt GGG - he was the defending champion, threw 74 more punches, landed 56 more punches and scored the only knockdown in the fight. Of course, boxing is scored round-by-round which is why it's a close fight, as GGG won his rounds by a larger margin than Jacobs did. The commentary you watch can have an influence on how you see the fight too - the UK broadcast had Jacobs winning the first three rounds, I think HBO (and Harold Lederman) did a much better job with the scoring of that fight (Lederman had it even going into the 12th, which GGG clearly won). Keep in mind that with the KD, GGG only needed to win five other rounds in the fight to get the nod. He clearly won the 5th, 9th and 12th rounds, Jacobs clearly won the 6th, 7th and 10th and 11th rounds. The swing rounds in this fight are the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 8th. Give these all to Jacobs and you've got it 115-112 Jacobs, give them all to GGG and it's 116-111 GGG - that's as wide in either direction as you ca have it. Personally I think GGG edged the 1st, 2nd and 8th while Jacobs won the 3rd, which results in a 115-112 scorecard in GGG's favour. I could see Jacobs being given the 2nd, which closes it to a 114-113 win to GGG.

Whichever way you slice it, it's a damn close fight, but the majority of the public believes the right man got the nod. Saying you had Jacobs winning is absolutely fine, but simply stating that Jacobs won is wrong IMO.

[FastestHandsInThewest]

Canelo tko.