Boxing's Greatest Sin

[Cap]

Boxing's greatest sin? Right up there in top three has to be multiple "world champions" followed by pathetic state of the current heavyweight class.

[gilgamesh]

7 too many weight classes, and at least 3 too many "World Champions" per division

[Kalan]

Boxing's greatest sin? Right up there in top three has to be multiple "world champions" followed by pathetic state of the current heavyweight class.

TOP 36 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the division has been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 5. Alexander Povetkin... 6. Joseph Parker... 7. Jarrell Miller... 8. Dominic Breazeale... 9. Andy Ruiz... 10. Carlos Takam... 11. Dillian Whyte... 12. Kubrat Pulev... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. David Haye... 15. Bryant Jennings... 16. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 17. Lucas Browne... 18. Gerald Washington... 19. Charles Martin... 20. Christian Hammer... 21. . Adam Kownacki... 22. Johann Duhaupas... 23. Alexander Ustinov... 24. Dereck Chisora... 25. Ruslan Chagaev... 26. Otto Wallin... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Amir Mansour… 29. Bermane Stiverne... 30. Czar Glazkov... 31. Robert Helenius... 32. Eric Molina... 33. Tony Bellew… 34. Malik Scott... 35. Erkan Tepper... 36. Zhilei Zhang


Beats a lot of Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Tom McNeeley... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

[APerno]

Richard Steele imposing a loss on Meldrick would be near the top.

Never could understand this argument. What was Steele suppose to do, look at the clock and conclude "I would normally stop this fight right now, but because I am the ref and I know this kid is winning I going to look the other way and wait for the bell to ring so he can win." - Would that have been the correct way to make the call?

If the argument is that Steele stopped the fight too soon (which I believe he has done on occasion) and that Taylor was ready to continue, (with no reference to how much time was left,) then yes, Taylor got robbed. But to argue that Steele should have let the fight continue because there were only two seconds left is to argue that the referee should try to effect the fight's outcome.

(I am aware that you did not make that particular argument; I am bitching about what most people say; but I don't see how it is an embarrassment to the fight game.)

P.S. Did you ever notice that the HBO announcers didn't call the knockdown? The announcers who had spent the whole night praising Taylor (claiming he was dominating the fight) were so embarrassed when he got knockdown (it bruised their expertise egos) that the only comment any of them made (in the midst of one of the game's great come back) came from Larry Merchant who stated: "if he gets up he wins the fight." - Merchant was still talking about Taylor; he couldn't bring himself to praise Chavez. - Their bruised egos wouldn't allow them to even call the KD; now that was a sad moment.

[Cap]

Boxing's greatest sin? Right up there in top three has to be multiple "world champions" followed by pathetic state of the current heavyweight class.

TOP 36 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the division has been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 5. Alexander Povetkin... 6. Joseph Parker... 7. Jarrell Miller... 8. Dominic Breazeale... 9. Andy Ruiz... 10. Carlos Takam... 11. Dillian Whyte... 12. Kubrat Pulev... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. David Haye... 15. Bryant Jennings... 16. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 17. Lucas Browne... 18. Gerald Washington... 19. Charles Martin... 20. Christian Hammer... 21. . Adam Kownacki... 22. Johann Duhaupas... 23. Alexander Ustinov... 24. Dereck Chisora... 25. Ruslan Chagaev... 26. Otto Wallin... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Amir Mansour… 29. Bermane Stiverne... 30. Czar Glazkov... 31. Robert Helenius... 32. Eric Molina... 33. Tony Bellew… 34. Malik Scott... 35. Erkan Tepper... 36. Zhilei Zhang


Beats a lot of Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Tom McNeeley... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

Ha Ha. Good one. TOP 36 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the division has been. Giant foreign lard-arses for the most part who manage to fight once or twice a year. American blubberweights are no better.

[Kalan]

Lard asses??? Jarrell Miller is certainly a more functional fatboy than Buster Mathis... But there's plenty of big guys who aren't fat such as Joshua.

Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, and Ali were certainly lard asses for parts of their career -- a condition the Klitschko Bros, Joshua, Wilder, or Parker never found themselves in.. I haven't seen any previous Heavyweight Champions more disciplined than the Klitschko's and Joshua.

Lard-asses from back in the day were Ron Stander, Tony Tubbs, Tim Witherspoon, John Tate, Bert Cooper, Greg Page, Mike Schutte, David Bey, Garing Lane, Leroy Jones, Bert Cooper, Kevin McBride, Mel Turnbowe and a bunch more.

A bunch of Heavyweights of every era come to the realization that they can fight fat. That isn’t a good thing. Heavyweights eat a lot more anyway to maintain their size - and they never have to make weight – so they’re more likely to add weight, especially later in their career when they don’t train as hard and the weight doesn’t come off as easily... James Toney was best at Middleweight but he weighed as much as 257. That's sick.

[Nile4000]

Lard asses??? Jarrell Miller is certainly a more functional fatboy than Buster Mathis... But there's plenty of big guys who aren't fat such as Joshua.

Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, and Ali were certainly lard asses for parts of their career -- a condition the Klitschko Bros, Joshua, Wilder, or Parker never found themselves in.. I haven't seen any previous Heavyweight Champions more disciplined than the Klitschko's and Joshua.

Lard-asses from back in the day were Ron Stander, Tony Tubbs, Tim Witherspoon, John Tate, Bert Cooper, Greg Page, Mike Schutte, David Bey, Garing Lane, Leroy Jones, Bert Cooper, Kevin McBride, Mel Turnbowe and a bunch more.

A bunch of Heavyweights of every era come to the realization that they can fight fat. That isn’t a good thing. Heavyweights eat a lot more anyway to maintain their size - and they never have to make weight – so they’re more likely to add weight, especially later in their career when they don’t train as hard and the weight doesn’t come off as easily... James Toney was best at Middleweight but he weighed as much as 257. That's sick.

Very good point. And Toney did look bad.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I have seen some crazy shit the last 40 years in this game but to see what Oliver did against Lennox was unbelievable

[Kalan]

Duran wasn't the only guy who quit in the middle of a round.

Boardwalk Billy Smith fought Archie Moore in Portland Oregon in 1951... In the 6th Smith caught Moore with a terrific right that floored him for an 8-count, but couldn't finish Archie off when he got up.. In the 8th Smith's corner yelled instructions at him and he turned to look at them... As he did Moore floored him for a 9-count... Moore went for the finish and drove him into the ropes. The referee ruled another knockdown. When the count reached 5 Smith stepped through the ropes. The bewildered crowd watched silently and he walked back to his dressing room...

The commission fined him and suspended him indefinitely. He was never paid his purse either, so it wasn't a wise thing to do.

[Caractacus]

I have seen some crazy poo the last 40 years in this game but to see what Oliver did against Lennox was unbelievable

He was having a breakdown man,have some sympathy.
I'm not a doctor but he may have been preprodispostioned towards it years before he ever even put on a pair of boxing gloves.

[Kalan]

YEARS!!?? ... Man, what a psychotic episode for somebody to go through... Damn!!!

[Vincent stevenson]

Resto/Collins

Definately. Followed by anything joe cortez has done

[Vincent stevenson]

Boxing's greatest sin? Right up there in top three has to be multiple "world champions" followed by pathetic state of the current heavyweight class.

TOP 36 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the division has been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 5. Alexander Povetkin... 6. Joseph Parker... 7. Jarrell Miller... 8. Dominic Breazeale... 9. Andy Ruiz... 10. Carlos Takam... 11. Dillian Whyte... 12. Kubrat Pulev... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. David Haye... 15. Bryant Jennings... 16. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 17. Lucas Browne... 18. Gerald Washington... 19. Charles Martin... 20. Christian Hammer... 21. . Adam Kownacki... 22. Johann Duhaupas... 23. Alexander Ustinov... 24. Dereck Chisora... 25. Ruslan Chagaev... 26. Otto Wallin... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Amir Mansour… 29. Bermane Stiverne... 30. Czar Glazkov... 31. Robert Helenius... 32. Eric Molina... 33. Tony Bellew… 34. Malik Scott... 35. Erkan Tepper... 36. Zhilei Zhang
Are you on drugs? And if so please tell me which ones so i could sample them. The hw division is the poorest its ever been with no dominant champion just a bunch of 3rd rate tomatoe cans. What do you think the great heavies would have done with this bunch? . The tysons the bowes the lewis the holyfields the holmes the alis the fraziers nortans and god help us the george foremans to name a few in recent history. Ps. Pm me and let me know who you are getting these drugs off kid

Beats a lot of Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Tom McNeeley... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

[Ambling Alp II]

First of all, Johnson didn't take a dive against Willard.

Of those to pick from, I would go with Duran quitting against Leonard. Just because he was getting beaten badly he was not man enough to go on.

| Mike Jacobs 66-68 | Jean Deswert 66-68 | James Brimmell 66-67

If the above scores represent being BADLY BEATEN, what do you make of these from the Leonard / Norris fight?

Sid Rubenstein 103-119 | Barbara Perez 104-120 | Billy Costello 110-116

Since you asked, I thought Norris was well ahead, though 120-104 and 119-103 was ridiculous. (Not that this was an important fight.) Notice though, Leonard had nothing but he did not quit like Duran did.

The judging of the Leonard-Duran fight was off. Leonard should have have been ahead 68-65 (five rounds to two.) There was also not much time left in the 8th round which would have gone to Leonard, which should have made it it 78-74. Duran would probably have had to win 6 of the final 7 rounds to get a decision. He knew he wasn't going to win so he quit.

[Kalan]

Boxing's greatest sin? Right up there in top three has to be multiple "world champions" followed by pathetic state of the current heavyweight class.

TOP 36 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY... Strongest and most international the division has been.

1. Anthony Joshua... 2. Luis Ortiz... 3. Deontay Wilder... 5. Alexander Povetkin... 6. Joseph Parker... 7. Jarrell Miller... 8. Dominic Breazeale... 9. Andy Ruiz... 10. Carlos Takam... 11. Dillian Whyte... 12. Kubrat Pulev... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. David Haye... 15. Bryant Jennings... 16. Izuagbe Ugonoh... 17. Lucas Browne... 18. Gerald Washington... 19. Charles Martin... 20. Christian Hammer... 21. . Adam Kownacki... 22. Johann Duhaupas... 23. Alexander Ustinov... 24. Dereck Chisora... 25. Ruslan Chagaev... 26. Otto Wallin... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Amir Mansour… 29. Bermane Stiverne... 30. Czar Glazkov... 31. Robert Helenius... 32. Eric Molina... 33. Tony Bellew… 34. Malik Scott... 35. Erkan Tepper... 36. Zhilei Zhang

Beats a lot of Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s:

Don Cockell... Tom McNeeley... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

Are you on drugs? And if so please tell me which ones so i could sample them. The hw division is the poorest its ever been with no dominant champion just a bunch of 3rd rate tomatoe cans. What do you think the great heavies would have done with this bunch? . The tysons the bowes the lewis the holyfields the holmes the alis the fraziers nortans and god help us the george foremans to name a few in recent history. Ps. Pm me and let me know who you are getting these drugs off kid

Your comment is extremely thoughtless and partisan.. What did Bowe have for any good Heavyweight? Prime Bowe was a ducking coward and wide open target who couldn't get rid of the plodding doormat Golota; who even the slow-assed Michael Grant beat up and chased from the ring. Joshua would rip Bowe or Golota out in seconds -- even faster than Lewis and Brewster canned the Foul Pole..

Tyson??? Didn't big assed Buster Douglas handle Mike with ease??? ... I'll concede Lewis was a great Heavyweight, especially when matched with Tyson (Lewis was 36. Tyson 35) ... Holyfield??? Ev wasn't big or strong enough. Ducked the Klitschkos ... Ali couldn't defend well and got beaten to trash ... Frazier couldn't handle a big, tall, rock solid, powerhouse puncher of 6'3" X 217. Joe got punched silly. Those big powerful men are commonplace today ... Norton was a chin looking for a trip to the canvas. Many today would oblige him ... Holmes I'll concede was a great Heavyweight. Still, he wasn't very big, strong, or powerful so a light heavyweight beat him ... Foreman never learned how to box til he was 40. How do you let little Jimmy Young box your ass off???

You ask me where to get hallucinatories??? I don't take drugs so I don't know.. Your present suppliers should work because you're tripping real good.

[Vincent stevenson]

I get my drugs from your mother you paedophile.
Stick to sleeping with kids rather than rating past heavyweights . Because you have no idea what you are talking about faggot

[BoxBuzz]

Disagree all we want.....disagreeable? Let's not so much.

I'm chilling this isotope for a few days.