Should Haye fight Mormeck after a couple of fights?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 Apr 2006, 21:03

Watched Bell Vs Mormeck earlier and man, he's like a tank!

Only reason he was downed for the first time was because he was exhausted and Haye surely doesn't hit harder than Bell does he?

Would love to see how long Mormecks chin lasts against Haye's punches.

Problem with Mormeck is why has he been so inactive fighting once a year?

Can Raffthefrenchman or anyone enlighten me on that?

Would be great to see two heavyhitters fight.

Chin adavantage is with Mormeck though.

maxx · Post by **maxx** » 04 Apr 2006, 04:20

YES

I'd pay to watch these two fight.
Great Match-up two fighter's i like a lot!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Apr 2006, 04:34

King has a piece of most of the top cruisers, but he only puts on fights when he has a use for them on an undercard. He'll probably put Mormeck back in with someone tough, even after a devastating stoppage loss. A guy like JMM needs to be active and build back to a title shot. But he'll just be slung in when King can finally put him to some use. Really superficial.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 04 Apr 2006, 06:23

Mormeck V Bell was a great fight, Bell just showed loads of resiliance and eventually wore Mormeck down. Mormeck would be too relentless for Haye i would imagine, Mormeck is a come forward pressure fighter and would be in Haye's face round after round. Haye punches really hard but Mormeck has a good chin and could absorb the shots and bull into Haye. I don't think Haye has the stamina to last and the power won't keep the Frenchman off for long enough.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Apr 2006, 06:40

Its way too soon to be putting Haye in with guys like Mormeck, he needs more learning fights first.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:14

nickd wrote:Its way too soon to be putting Haye in with guys like Mormeck, he needs more learning fights first.

What kind of learning fights though as he's knocking most of them out too early?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Apr 2006, 07:22

Max Molyneux wrote:
nickd wrote:Its way too soon to be putting Haye in with guys like Mormeck, he needs more learning fights first.
What kind of learning fights though as he's knocking most of them out too early?

He'll learn more with every fight. Johansen took him a few rounds there are plenty of guys around who can do that. There is no way he could go into a fight with Mormeck never having done the 12 rounds, I very much doubt they would do that. Can he do 12 hard rounds though?

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:33

So realistically, who next for Haye?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:36

steve689 wrote:Mormeck V Bell was a great fight, Bell just showed loads of resiliance and eventually wore Mormeck down. Mormeck would be too relentless for Haye i would imagine, Mormeck is a come forward pressure fighter and would be in Haye's face round after round. Haye punches really hard but Mormeck has a good chin and could absorb the shots and bull into Haye. I don't think Haye has the stamina to last and the power won't keep the Frenchman off for long enough.

I agree, Haye needs to learn to adapt better, at the moment he is ok when fighting at the pace he dictates, but against a pressure fighter like the monstrous Mormeck or Bell I think he would be in very hot water.

Someone like Hobson would be ideal, not too big a puncher, but determined, and with enough ability and resilience to give Haye a hard night's work.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:38

I was just about to post Hobson myself, although he is coming off a defeat he proved his durability there so should give Haye more much needed rounds. Lets not get carried away with Haye, he is talented but still a relative novice pro despite being European champion.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 04 Apr 2006, 08:42

Why fight Mormeck when Bell's got all the belts?

I really want to see Haye in with Hobson, its the type of opponent Haye needs and it would be a good opportunity for Hobson to further raise his profile. I don't think Hobson is going to get sanctioned by the EBU at the mo for a shot at the title seeing as hes coming off a loss and he's been inactive of late.

E · Post by E » 04 Apr 2006, 10:01

Haye should only fight Mormeck if he wants to get beat.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 04 Apr 2006, 16:44

Haye Should fight Carl Thompson next.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 04 Apr 2006, 16:50

I would suggest he should fight Hobson next, as you say he has the power to remove Hobson but Hobson is resilient and will keep coming forward, the experience would do Haye no harm at all. Alternatively put him in with Carl Thompson again or someone like Ismael Abdoul, he may be a step down at this point though and would he teach Haye anything other than being a human punchbag for 12 rounds or less?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Apr 2006, 16:57

Definitely Hobson. Then Enzo.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 05 Apr 2006, 09:28

Yes, he should if he wants to get chinned.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Apr 2006, 10:34

Rothmann, Hobson, Enzo, Mormeck/Bell would be a good progression.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Apr 2006, 10:36

Just noticed Jorge Casto is back, surprising, didn't he have a horrific car accident, he's back at Light Heavy now though.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Apr 2006, 10:57

a fight I'd like to see is Hobson-Rothmann II. I reckon Hobson could beat him now.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Apr 2006, 15:15

Don't see the need to fight Mormeck - don't think the risk/reward ratio is good enough now Mormeck isn't champ.

How about Haye vs Hill ?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Apr 2006, 15:24

Chambers2 wrote:Why fight Mormeck when Bell's got all the belts?

I really want to see Haye in with Hobson, its the type of opponent Haye needs and it would be a good opportunity for Hobson to further raise his profile. I don't think Hobson is going to get sanctioned by the EBU at the mo for a shot at the title seeing as hes coming off a loss and he's been inactive of late.

Bell hasn't got all the belts. Johnny Nelson has the WBO belt. And, hear this:

"Steve Cunningham (19-0) and Guillermo Jones (33-3-2) will meet for an IBF cruiserweight belt on the May 6 SHOWTIME telecast. Cunningham was originally slated to challenge O'Neil Bell on the card, but Bell pulled out of the fight and the IBF portion of his title was vacated for failure to make a mandatory defense after a purse bid. Cunningham and Jones previously fought last April with Cunninghan winning a split decision. That bout took place at the DCU Center, Worcester, Mass., the same venue where the rematch will take place."

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Apr 2006, 16:12

So does that mean Hill will be WBA champion proper proper?

Surely it will.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 05 Apr 2006, 16:28

viciousmaussa wrote:a fight I'd like to see is Hobson-Rothmann II. I reckon Hobson could beat him now.

Rothman hasn't been the same since Thompson hasn't he?

Don't see the need to fight Mormeck - don't think the risk/reward ratio is good enough now Mormeck isn't champ.

How about Haye vs Hill ?

If Haye is good shape it could make a good fight though after a few fights first.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Apr 2006, 16:44

Max Molyneux wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:a fight I'd like to see is Hobson-Rothmann II. I reckon Hobson could beat him now.
Rothman hasn't been the same since Thompson hasn't he?
Don't see the need to fight Mormeck - don't think the risk/reward ratio is good enough now Mormeck isn't champ.

How about Haye vs Hill ?
If Haye is good shape it could make a good fight though after a few fights first.

no, but he's always been a good terroriser of british fighters. he still must be good to have given Thompson and Bell such trouble. he does have wear and tear, hand problems, etc...one reason I called for a rematch is I like how good Hobson looked vs Macca. First viewing I had him winning, 2nd viewing I had it a draw. He's very solid now.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 05 Apr 2006, 17:00

I think alot of Rothman's problems are psychological, seems to have Beyer esque problems in closing fights off.

He should have beaten Thompson and he was well on the way to upsetting Bell.

A very dangerous fighter still.