I Love Tyson Prime

[evndrbsn]

If Lewis would barely squeeze into your top 20, please indulge us on who would rank above him. Better yet, provide your top 20. It doesn't have to be in order, except who is ahead of Lewis.

The top spots are just tentative.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Dempsey
5. Foreman
6. Tunney
7. Holmes (His win over old Ali outshines his loss to Tyson in his 40's)
8. Frazier (Tyson may have done to him what Foreman did)
9. Tyson
10. Holyfield
11. Marciano
12. Liston
13. Norton
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Sam Langford
16. Joe Walcott
17. Ezzard Charles
18. Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe
19. Max Schmeling
20. George Chuvalo (like Langford, never a real champ, too tough for most guys today)

Pretty good list, but I don't think Norton can go above Lewis. Lewis may have had less than a steel chin, but he didn't freeze against punchers like Norton did. Norton beat Ali but did nothing else in his career. Lewis accomplished more and would have blown Norton out.

Also, I don't think Tyson does to Frazier what Foreman did to him. I think the Foreman KO's were mostly due to size and brute force. I could be wrong, though. I will say it is possible Tyson blows out Frazier, but highly unlikely. I pick Joe by late stoppage in a head to head match up.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

If Lewis would barely squeeze into your top 20, please indulge us on who would rank above him. Better yet, provide your top 20. It doesn't have to be in order, except who is ahead of Lewis.

The top spots are just tentative.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Dempsey
5. Foreman
6. Tunney
7. Holmes (His win over old Ali outshines his loss to Tyson in his 40's)
8. Frazier (Tyson may have done to him what Foreman did)
9. Tyson
10. Holyfield
11. Marciano
12. Liston
13. Norton
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Sam Langford
16. Joe Walcott
17. Ezzard Charles
18. Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe
19. Max Schmeling
20. George Chuvalo (like Langford, never a real champ, too tough for most guys today)

o god tunney at 6? what in gods name has he done to earn 6th spot! he accomplished very little at heavyweight. he should not be rated over ezzard charles.



marciano and liston not in ur top 10? o dear

- marciano not in ur top 10 is ridiculous. even the biggest marciano critic my buddy silk, has marciano at # 10.


george chuvalo at 20? pass the crack pipe son



the rest is good

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

The top spots are just tentative.

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Dempsey
5. Foreman
6. Tunney
7. Holmes (His win over old Ali outshines his loss to Tyson in his 40's)
8. Frazier (Tyson may have done to him what Foreman did)
9. Tyson
10. Holyfield
11. Marciano
12. Liston
13. Norton
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Sam Langford
16. Joe Walcott
17. Ezzard Charles
18. Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe
19. Max Schmeling
20. George Chuvalo (like Langford, never a real champ, too tough for most guys today)

o god tunney at 6? what in gods name has he done to earn 6th spot! he accomplished very little at heavyweight. he should not be rated over ezzard charles.



marciano and liston not in ur top 10? o dear



george chuvalo at 20? pass the crack pipe son



the rest is good

Ezzard took his share of beatings, Tunney didn't. I like Tunney's style a lot. A lot of fighters beat legends as they were old. Marciano-Louis, Holmes-Ali, Lewis-Holyfield/Tyson, but Tunney's fights with Dempsey impressed me a lot more.

Marciano retired early in his 30's unlike most of the guys on the list. He didn't fight in a very weak division I don't think, but most of the guys in my top 10 would have mopped the floor with him, admit it.

You could put Liston at 7, Holmes 6 and then Tunney at 12 if you want.

Sam Langford might be the best to never hold a title, but I think Chuvalo is up there too. He fought in one of the toughest eras ever, and was never knocked down, EVER. Most of the HW's today would tire out quickly against a man that tough. You could put Jersey Joe Walcott in his place if you feel like it and bump up Ezzard Charles more.

i have marciano at # 5, liston at # 6 and i dont have tunney in my top 20.


- actually i think marciano will mop the floor with most of the guys on the top 10 list

Marciano retired early in his 30's unlike most of the guys on the list.

tunney retired younger than marciano. yet u have him 6th. dempsey retired same age as rock yet u have him 4th.

[Arsenal]

Caulk and Razor you really know f**k all! Caulk great top 20 Chuvalo? Are you serious? Thats like Razor's Coetzee!

So Caulk/Razor you judge Lewis not on being KOed but by who and how quick? I could name 20 great fighters who were KOed early or beaten by guys who they shouldn't have been beaten by. And please stop with the KTFO. Lewis was up at 5 against McCall. And got up against Rahman after the count. I could give a list of fighters who were out cold i.e. Graham against Jackson. And if you think Frazier would be beaten by Tyson like he was aginst Foreman you are an even bigger fool than I thought. Frazier would take Tyson's best and come back with more. He wouldn't be intimidated. He was used to 15 rds whereas Tyson was gone after 5/6 rds.

[RazorKO]

Caulk and Razor you really know f**k all! Caulk great top 20 Chuvalo? Are you serious? Thats like Razor's Coetzee!

So Caulk/Razor you judge Lewis not on being KOed but by who and how quick? I could name 20 great fighters who were KOed early or beaten by guys who they shouldn't have been beaten by. And please stop with the KTFO. Lewis was up at 5 against McCall. And got up against Rahman after the count. I could give a list of fighters who were out cold i.e. Graham against Jackson. And if you think Frazier would be beaten by Tyson like he was aginst Foreman you are an even bigger fool than I thought. Frazier would take Tyson's best and come back with more. He wouldn't be intimidated. He was used to 15 rds whereas Tyson was gone after 5/6 rds.

The difference is Graham was knocked out by possibly the hardest light-middleweight AND middleweight in history. Lewis on the other hand was put away by 2 journeyman. All the great fighters i.e Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Louis, Frazier etc have all gone down....but not only have they gotten up, but got up to WIN. From the words of allegedly 'Great fighters just DO NOT get knocked out by the likes of Oliver McCall and Rahman'. Dont forget Lewis was put away by a single punch, not a sustained beating like Tyson.

[Arsenal]

Firstly using Warren to back up your claims is laughable and secondly they may have bben journeymen but they certainly could hit. McCall gave Tyson trouble as his sparring partner so he must have been decent!

[sockdolager]

Well this thread had doubled my prediction in size. Great work gents!

[Arsenal]

Caulk you don't like Lewis and you use this to say he is not a great boxer. I dislike Tyson but I still have him in my top 15/20 HW of all time.

[evndrbsn]

Caulk and Razor you really know f**k all! Caulk great top 20 Chuvalo? Are you serious? Thats like Razor's Coetzee!

So Caulk/Razor you judge Lewis not on being KOed but by who and how quick? I could name 20 great fighters who were KOed early or beaten by guys who they shouldn't have been beaten by. And please stop with the KTFO. Lewis was up at 5 against McCall. And got up against Rahman after the count. I could give a list of fighters who were out cold i.e. Graham against Jackson. And if you think Frazier would be beaten by Tyson like he was aginst Foreman you are an even bigger fool than I thought. Frazier would take Tyson's best and come back with more. He wouldn't be intimidated. He was used to 15 rds whereas Tyson was gone after 5/6 rds.

The difference is Graham was knocked out by possibly the hardest light-middleweight AND middleweight in history. Lewis on the other hand was put away by 2 journeyman. All the great fighters i.e Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Louis, Frazier etc have all gone down....but not only have they gotten up, but got up to WIN. From the words of allegedly allegedly 'Great fighters just DO NOT get knocked out by the likes of Oliver McCall and Rahman'. Dont forget Lewis was put away by a single punch, not a sustained beating like Tyson.

I wouldn't classify McCall and Rahman as journeyman, not anywhere close. Rahman was a highly touted prospect who went 29-0 before tasting his first (albeit controversial) defeat. Since the loss to Tua, he has gone 12-4-2, whereas it should read 14-4 (bogus draws with Tua and Toney should have been wins). Hardly the mark of a journeyman. He is also a two-time heavyweight champion. How many journeymen can say that?

McCall started his career at 19-5, which included two split decision defeats to one former and one future world champion (Tony Tucker and Orlin Norris). His other three decision defeats were very respectable: the first in his second pro fight to a 3-0 fighter, the second to future heavyweight contender Mike Hunter, and the third to Buster Douglas in Buster's last fight before KOing Tyson. He went 26-3 with 2 NC after losing to Tucker, which is pretty impressive. He has gone 10-1 with 1 NC after his 35th birthday, including a last round KO over Henry Akinwande (who was never conclusively beaten before) and a very close loss to DaVarryl Williamson. He turns 41 later this month and is still fighting at the top of the division. Other notable victories: UD 10 Dave Jaco (only because Jaco stopped RazorKO's idol Donovan Ruddock, otherwise an unimportant win), KO 9 Bruce Seldon (18-0 going in), TKO 2 Lennox Lewis (obviously), UD 12 Larry Holmes (although the decision is debatable), TKO 1 Oleg Maskaev (who challenges Rahman in a rematch for the WBC title later this year).

A journeyman is someone like Jesse Ferguson. Ferguson retired at 26-18, but provided fighters with a stern test and turned in the upset from time to time. I'm not sure he always showed up to win, but I don't think he ever showed up to lay down. Other journeymen: Tony LaRosa (32-23), Marion Wilson (12-40-4 and stopped only once --- on cuts), Frankie Swindell (37-24-4), Ross Purrity (30-19-3).

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

i have marciano at # 5, liston at # 6 and i dont have tunney in my top 20.


- actually i think marciano will mop the floor with most of the guys on the top 10 list


tunney retired younger than marciano. yet u have him 6th. dempsey retired same age as rock yet u have him 4th.

Most overrated fighters of all time

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Mike Tyson
3. Lennox Lewis

Wow, Tyson, Lewis and Marciano made a TOP 3. HOORAY!

how is rocky marciano overated? he only never lost and dominated his era, what more can u ask of the guy? he was also a very classy guy.

[sockdolager]

i have marciano at # 5, liston at # 6 and i dont have tunney in my top 20.


- actually i think marciano will mop the floor with most of the guys on the top 10 list


tunney retired younger than marciano. yet u have him 6th. dempsey retired same age as rock yet u have him 4th.

Most overrated fighters of all time

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Mike Tyson
3. Lennox Lewis

Wow, Tyson, Lewis and Marciano made a TOP 3. HOORAY!

how is rocky marciano overated? he only never lost and dominated his era, what more can u ask of the guy? he was also a very classy guy.

You cant put Tyson in Marcianos class. Or in this case Marciano down in Tysons!

[RazorKO]

Well, let's take a closer look at your crappy list:

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson: Knocked out by middleweight Joe Choyinsky and Jess Willard, who was nowhere near as good as Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman
4. Dempsey: Knocked flat by Fireman Jim Flynn, who was nowhere near as good as McCall or Rahman
5. Foreman
6. Tunney: Based on how many fights at heavyweight?
7. Holmes
8. Frazier
9. Tyson
10. Holyfield
11. Marciano
12. Liston
13. Norton: Knocked flat by Jose Luis Garcia, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Gerry Cooney.
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Sam Langford: Lost by KO to Fred Fulton, Young Peter Jackson, Brad Simmons, Joe Jeannette, Clem Johnson and Harry Wills
16. Joe Walcott: Knocked out by Al Ettore, Abe Simon and Tiger Jack Fox, none of whom were as good as Rahman, or even McCall!
17. Ezzard Charles: Knocked out by four times as many journeymen as Lewis was
18. Lennox Lewis or Riddick Bowe
19. Max Schmeling: Knocked out by Max Dieckmann, Larry Gaines and Gypsie Daniels.
20. George Chuvalo (like Langford, never a real champ, too tough for most guys today)

Basically, this list is crap. Your main reason for not ranking Lewis higher is that he had a "glass jaw," yet you rank fighters with even worse kayo losses well above him, including two fighters that were knocked out by middleweights! And George Chuvalo? You are officially retarded.

Not because he had a glass jaw, but the he avoided fighters to his benifet as well as struggling with them. Lewis avoided John freaking Ruiz for hells sake. Although im glad he did run scared of Ruiz because no fan would watch these two chumps hug each other.

Lewis also should of LOST to past it Holyfield in the rematch, knocked down by Briggs, lost EVERY round against Bruno and was having trouble with Akiwande. Lewis's greatest win is knocking out a past it Ruddock and mentally unstable Golota. I dont even count his pittiful peformance against Tyson.

Say what you want about Tyson but hes not full of arrogance like Lennox, when Lewins win a bout, most notably in the Golota, Grant, Rahman and Tyson fights hes screaming to the crowd, thumping his chest likes he has just beaten a prime Ali and generally showing off on how hurt the other opponent is....Tyson on the other hand when he wins his fights he ALWAYS goes and helps picks up his hurt opponent and embraces him. Tyson showed he was a very humble and caring man in the Bruno, Thomas, Etienne, Seldon, Holmes, Franics etc fights when he helped picked up these opponents, not to mention the Bonecrusher and Tucker fight where he embraced these opponents as well.

I actually think Rocket is GENEROUS in putting Lewis at 18th as fellow British heavyweights Bruno, Cooper and Bugner are all FAR better fighters than this chump.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

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[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I put Tunney in the top 10 instead of Marciano because he had great overall boxing skills, few losses, and came up from LHW to defeat Dempsey twice

marciano NEVER lost. just look at rocky, do u expect him to have pure boxing skills? rocky had a lot of skills in his own way, he was very effective puncher swarmer.


tunney beat dempsey twice,

but marciano beat jersey walcott 2x, ezzard charles 2x, archie moore, joe louis, and roland lastarza

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

LOL@"few losses."

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

It's all style. I don't think Tunney is a better fighter, just a better boxer

that is the biggest crock of shit i ever heard. if u judge ur heavweight list based on "pure boxing ability" then marciano wouldnt make the top 5000 list.

[Arsenal]

Few losses??? Thats hilarious, you officially know f**k all!

Lewis beat no one in their prime? Well I'll list 10 if you want?

Lost every rd to Bruno? Err I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

Scared of Ruiz? Well if you think so..

knocked down by Briggs? No he wasn't FACT!

Trouble with Akinwande? Knocked down by Akinwande? Then why did Akinwande get disqualified for holding? And he wasn't knocked down FACT!

Greatest win against against a past it Ruddock? Ruddock wasn't past it he just wasn't very good! But great KO. One of the best. But that was the crowd wasn't it?

Tyson humble, caring? Yeah of course the guy is who has been convicted of rape, assault etc

Bruno, Bugner, Cooper better? You really haven't a clue!

Caulk and Razor please leave this forum because its for boxing not bulls**t! You are officially the worse posters on this forum.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

actually u are wrong my friend. ali was well ahead on the scorecards

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

It's all style. I don't think Tunney is a better fighter, just a better boxer

that is the biggest crock of shit i ever heard. if u judge ur heavweight list based on "pure boxing ability" then marciano wouldnt make the top 5000 list.

It's only part of the criteria, not the only thing. Why are people so damn obsessive over one thing? Christ, get a life.

u cant critisize rocky for not have having "pure boxing skill", thats like critisizing tunney for not being a power puncher slugger

[RazorKO]

Lost every rd to Bruno? Err I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

Bruno outjabbed Lewis easily for all 7 rounds, until Lewis held down Burno's head and uppercuted him with the other. An illegal and disgraceful move and should of been DQ'ed, he did the same to Grant in the 2nd round, again an illegal move which he should of been Disqualified.

Scared of Ruiz? Well if you think so..

Lewis ran scared of Ruiz as Ruiz was the No.1 contender but Lewis chose not to fight him. But im glad because Lewis would of left with a husband rather than a win with all the hugging that would be going on by both fighters.

Trouble with Akinwande? Knocked down by Akinwande? Then why did Akinwande get disqualified for holding? And he wasn't knocked down FACT!

He was knocked down and nearly taken out by Briggs, bur Akiwande also poised some trouble for Lewis, I forgot if Lewis was knocked down in this bout or not.

Greatest win against against a past it Ruddock? Ruddock wasn't past it he just wasn't very good! But great KO. One of the best. But that was the crowd wasn't it?

The Tyson fights took something out of him as well as the partison crowd, in any other country Lewis wouldnt of even remembered if he had fought Ruddock.

Tyson humble, caring? Yeah of course the guy is who has been convicted of rape, assault etc

Again you are bringing up irrelavant stuff, the way Tyson picked up his fallen opponents and embraced them is far more humble than when Lewis used to gloat on how badly hurt his opponent was.

Bruno, Bugner, Cooper better? You really haven't a clue!

Bruno was beating Lewis easily until Lewis pulled an illegal move. Cooper would cracked Lewis's chin with his famed left hook - Imagine if Cooper landed the left hook he hit Joe Erskrine with which left him hanging out of the ropes. And Bugner would of outboxed Lewis silly,an old 38 year old Bugner performed much btetter in the Bruno fight than Lewis did. And also dont forget Bugner held his own in the golden era of boxing and fought close fights with Ali, Frazier, Lyle etc. Lewis however LOST again an old Holyfield in the rematch.

[RazorKO]

Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

actually u are wrong my friend. ali was well ahead on the scorecards

Also the fact that Ali fought GEORGE FOREMAN! Bruno is a good fighter and a nice man but he is no where near the calibre of fighter as Big George.

[mattyp151]

Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

actually u are wrong my friend. ali was well ahead on the scorecards

Also the fact that Ali fought GEORGE FOREMAN! Bruno is a good fighter and a nice man but he is no where near the calibre of fighter as Big George.

Ali allowed Foreman to win those rounds with his style, and it was in the gameplan to let Big George punch himself out, which he did by the 6th round. Ali just fucked with him till he knocked Foreman out. Cards are moot in that fight, anyone who has seen it will agree. Foreman even said he was whipping him and Ali whispered "Is that all you got?" to him, and George knew he was in trouble.

[RazorKO]

Tyson humble, caring? Yeah of course the guy is who has been convicted of rape, assault etc

Again you are bringing up irrelavant stuff, the way Tyson picked up his fallen opponents and embraced them is far more humble than when Lewis used to gloat on how badly hurt his opponent was.

What about that post-fight interview where Tyson was talking about how he was trying to knock the cartiledge of some guy's nose into his brain? What about how Tyson kept hitting Lou Savarese even though the ref stopped the bout? Or how he hit the ref!

Tyson was merly explaning how he threw his uppercut, he didnt say he wanted to hurt Jesse Fergusson.

As for Saverese, Tyson said he didnt know the ref was comming in to stop the fight, I though thought Tyson acted in reaction and just wasnt thinking when he continued to hit Saverese and hit the ref. A bit like Foreman when he had King Roman on the floor...but Foreman contined to wing his uppercuts at him despite him knocked down and same for Tyson, both acted in reaction.

Tyson knew he was in the wrong when he continued to hit Saverese as you could see from his face when the fight was stopped.

[evndrbsn]

Lost every rd to Bruno? Err I don't think so but it doesn't matter. Ali lost most rds to Foreman and came back to win what some people say was one of his greatest fights.

Bruno outjabbed Lewis easily for all 7 rounds, until Lewis held down Burno's head and uppercuted him with the other. An illegal and disgraceful move and should of been DQ'ed, he did the same to Grant in the 2nd round, again an illegal move which he should of been Disqualified.

Scared of Ruiz? Well if you think so..

Lewis ran scared of Ruiz as Ruiz was the No.1 contender but Lewis chose not to fight him. But im glad because Lewis would of left with a husband rather than a win with all the hugging that would be going on by both fighters.

Trouble with Akinwande? Knocked down by Akinwande? Then why did Akinwande get disqualified for holding? And he wasn't knocked down FACT!

He was knocked down and nearly taken out by Briggs, bur Akiwande also poised some trouble for Lewis, I forgot if Lewis was knocked down in this bout or not.

Greatest win against against a past it Ruddock? Ruddock wasn't past it he just wasn't very good! But great KO. One of the best. But that was the crowd wasn't it?

The Tyson fights took something out of him as well as the partison crowd, in any other country Lewis wouldnt of even remembered if he had fought Ruddock.

Tyson humble, caring? Yeah of course the guy is who has been convicted of rape, assault etc

Again you are bringing up irrelavant stuff, the way Tyson picked up his fallen opponents and embraced them is far more humble than when Lewis used to gloat on how badly hurt his opponent was.

Bruno, Bugner, Cooper better? You really haven't a clue!

Bruno was beating Lewis easily until Lewis pulled an illegal move. Cooper would cracked Lewis's chin with his famed left hook - Imagine if Cooper landed the left hook he hit Joe Erskrine with which left him hanging out of the ropes. And Bugner would of outboxed Lewis silly,an old 38 year old Bugner performed much btetter in the Bruno fight than Lewis did. And also dont forget Bugner held his own in the golden era of boxing and fought close fights with Ali, Frazier, Lyle etc. Lewis however LOST again an old Holyfield in the rematch.

Yeah that makes sense. So tell me Razor, how did Bugner do better against Bruno than Lewis? If my memory serves me correctly, Bruno stopped Bugner (a loss) while Lewis stopped Bruno (a win). Hmmm. Lewis beat Bruno, Bugner lost to Bruno. Yep, that sounds about right. Bugner did better.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

I do consider him one of the greatest ever

caulk rocket,


how do u consider him one of the greatest if u also said marciano is the # 1 M0ST overated fighter of all time