Roy & Floyd

[Kalan]

Toney is considerably more durable than Corrales so why should Jones be expected to stop him when no one else could.

Let's just say Toney and Corrales both showed up the poorest prepared of their entire careers... They couldn't have beaten anyone on those nights. They both looked like they were going to fall over without assistance... Toney could pretty much fight in his sleep, but he could GAF less about discipline.

[IKSRTFO]

Toney is considerably more durable than Corrales so why should Jones be expected to stop him when no one else could.

Let's just say Toney and Corrales both showed up the poorest prepared of their entire careers... They couldn't have beaten anyone on those nights. They both looked like they were going to fall over without assistance... Toney could pretty much fight in his sleep, but he could GAF less about discipline.

On Toney's worst day, heavyweights punchers couldn't stop him. On Corrales best day, he was still capable of being stopped.

[bbjc]

Just watching that highlight video...its hard to argue mayweather was better than jones at his best. Roy jones at his best has his own level for me. I think he done that to too many people for toneys excuse to hold that much weight. Toney always had weight problems he never struggled like he did that night. Always got something going. That night he couldnt get anything going. Was outmatched in every area of the game and toney was a bit of a master himself. The worst thing about it was roy looks like hes got another couple of gears to go up such was his talent. Still say the two guys with the most ability i ever seen was roy and ali.

They outclassed good guys effortlessly. Mayweather was a great talent. But he wasnt born with the talent of roy or ali for me. He had to work at it to get near their level. He was essentially a spoiler for most of his career with amazing reflexes. Very hard to beat cause he worked at it more than the guys in his era. Whereas roy and ali could do it all. They had a freedom of movement that very few guys have. Floyd didnt have it.

[Kalan]

Just watching that highlight video...its hard to argue mayweather was better than jones at his best. Roy jones at his best has his own level for me. I think he done that to too many people for toneys excuse to hold that much weight. Toney always had weight problems he never struggled like he did that night. Always got something going. That night he couldnt get anything going. Was outmatched in every area of the game and toney was a bit of a master himself. The worst thing about it was roy looks like hes got another couple of gears to go up such was his talent. Still say the two guys with the most ability i ever seen was roy and ali.

They outclassed good guys effortlessly. Mayweather was a great talent. But he wasnt born with the talent of roy or ali for me. He had to work at it to get near their level. He was essentially a spoiler for most of his career with amazing reflexes. Very hard to beat cause he worked at it more than the guys in his era. Whereas roy and ali could do it all. They had a freedom of movement that very few guys have. Floyd didn't have it.

Roy and Ali were completely different so far as talent and skills... Don't equate the 2 men as athletes.

Roy wasn't as scientifically correct as Floyd -- he was too stiff through the shoulders -- but at least Roy was technically very sound. Roy took people out with body shots. Ali lacked a body attack and lacked Roy's punching power and defensive mastery.. Ali got hit tons of head shots. Roy defended very well until he was 35. He was never tattooed with hooks like Ali or had a jaw that looked like he was smuggling cantaloupes. Frazier pounded Ali’s jaw relentlessly and blew it up. When he went up to Heavyweight for Ruiz, Roy would have beaten Ali. Because his left hook was so deceptive and his defense so polished compared to Ali’s.

As far as freedom of movement? ... Ali pulled his head straight back from punches with his hands down...this freed up his chin for quick left hooks, sometimes knocking him on his ass... This happened to Roy rarely until he was 35.. Floyd was never knocked on his can.

[Ambling Alp II]

Just watching that highlight video...its hard to argue mayweather was better than jones at his best. Roy jones at his best has his own level for me. I think he done that to too many people for toneys excuse to hold that much weight. Toney always had weight problems he never struggled like he did that night. Always got something going. That night he couldnt get anything going. Was outmatched in every area of the game and toney was a bit of a master himself. The worst thing about it was roy looks like hes got another couple of gears to go up such was his talent. Still say the two guys with the most ability i ever seen was roy and ali.

They outclassed good guys effortlessly. Mayweather was a great talent. But he wasnt born with the talent of roy or ali for me. He had to work at it to get near their level. He was essentially a spoiler for most of his career with amazing reflexes. Very hard to beat cause he worked at it more than the guys in his era. Whereas roy and ali could do it all. They had a freedom of movement that very few guys have. Floyd didnt have it.

I pretty much agree with this. The weight drained excuse is about as lame as it gets in boxing.
Ali and Jones were even more talented than Mayweather. Neither Jones nor Ali was hit very much during their primes, yet both were great offensively. Jones should have had a better career. After the Toney fight, he pretty much played it safe, not challenging himself against the best out there. Ali went out of his way to fight the best. But at least Jones does have the win over Toney. Mayweather has nothing like that.

[BoxBuzz]

Just watching that highlight video...its hard to argue mayweather was better than jones at his best. Roy jones at his best has his own level for me. I think he done that to too many people for toneys excuse to hold that much weight. Toney always had weight problems he never struggled like he did that night. Always got something going. That night he couldnt get anything going. Was outmatched in every area of the game and toney was a bit of a master himself. The worst thing about it was roy looks like hes got another couple of gears to go up such was his talent. Still say the two guys with the most ability i ever seen was roy and ali.

They outclassed good guys effortlessly. Mayweather was a great talent. But he wasnt born with the talent of roy or ali for me. He had to work at it to get near their level. He was essentially a spoiler for most of his career with amazing reflexes. Very hard to beat cause he worked at it more than the guys in his era. Whereas roy and ali could do it all. They had a freedom of movement that very few guys have. Floyd didn't have it.

Roy and Ali were completely different so far as talent and skills... Don't equate the 2 men as athletes.

Roy wasn't as scientifically correct as Floyd -- he was too stiff through the shoulders -- but at least Roy was technically very sound. Roy took people out with body shots. Ali lacked a body attack and lacked Roy's punching power and defensive mastery.. Ali got hit tons of head shots. Roy defended very well until he was 35. He was never tattooed with hooks like Ali or had a jaw that looked like he was smuggling cantaloupes. Frazier pounded Ali’s jaw relentlessly and blew it up. When he went up to Heavyweight for Ruiz, Roy would have beaten Ali. Because his left hook was so deceptive and his defense so polished compared to Ali’s.

As far as freedom of movement? ... Ali pulled his head straight back from punches with his hands down...this freed up his chin for quick left hooks, sometimes knocking him on his ass... This happened to Roy rarely until he was 35.. Floyd was never knocked on his can.

Oh boy.....you just put a lot of words together, and some made sense.

However the idea that Roy beats Ali, is a novel one. But ok....I'll go along with it........the Roy that beat Ruiz, has a good shot at the Ali that lost to Spinks Holmes and Berbick......

Ah...but the Ali that lost to Frazier, or Norton? Nope.......and the Ali that Beat Foster Ellis and Quarry? Well.....that's evokes the sort of laugh that if you were drinking a coke, would clear your sinuses in a jiffy.

Now stop clowning around Sweetness, and get on the good foot.

[Kalan]

Oh boy.....you just put a lot of words together, and some made sense.

However the idea that Roy beats Ali, is a novel one. But ok....I'll go along with it........the Roy that beat Ruiz, has a good shot at the Ali that lost to Spinks Holmes and Berbick......

Ah...but the Ali that lost to Frazier, or Norton? Nope.......and the Ali that Beat Foster Ellis and Quarry? Well.....that's evokes the sort of laugh that if you were drinking a coke, would clear your sinuses in a jiffy.

Now stop clowning around Sweetness, and get on the good foot.

I don't clown Twinkle Nose.. Put down the sauce and put on your thinking cap for a minute.. Never mind you don't have one, try to focus in here.

The Ali who lost to Norton you say??? ... How quick was Norton compared Roy Jones Jr??? How masterful a defender was Norton compared to Roy Jones??? Norton shattered Ali's jaw with a left hook, right??? ... So how much quicker and slicker was Roy Jones' left hook than Norton's??? ... Remember Jones-Griffin 2??? It's on YouTube if your memory is poor.. Griffin beat James Toney twice right??? Griffin was fast.. But Roy ripped Griffin out with lead hooks that the veteran could see all the way in but couldn't get away from.. Was Norton a veteran at that point??? No. Was Norton very hittable??? Yes.

Here's a 2nd set of thoughts for you after you rest your brain a bit.. Prime Norton got knocked stiff.. So why could Ali not get to the chinny Kenny with anything telling??? ... Prime Roy Jones was a MASTER... Is it much harder to hit a master than a stiff legged, head first, crossed-arms defender like Norton??? Yes.

Now take another rest... Ready to go??? ... Okay, Jimmy Ellis was a Middleweight for the majority of his career before he fought Ali.. Jimmy found Heavyweights easier to hit so he gravitated there.. But Ellis got hit a lot more than master boxer Roy Jones did versus Ruiz.. Ellis easily beat Oscar Bonavena, who was a wide open swinger like most Heavyweights of his day---and not even as good as the much bigger John Ruiz..

Ellis was a lot lighter for his Ali fight than Roy Jones was for his Ruiz fight.. In fact, Ali had Ellis by 31 pounds but Ellis did well in the early rounds.. Angelo Dundee weight drained Ellis, and Jimmy was crap for the last 6 of a 12 rounder.. Roy Jones was in perfect condition... had energy to spare... and dominated his Heavyweight Championship Fight for all 12 rounds without taking a significant punch.. Meanwhile Ellis hit Ali with an early left hook that George Foreman who interviewed Ali after the fight said, "That shot shook you right down to your booties." ... That's correct.

Ellis is an easy win for a Heavyweight Roy Jones.. Ali is a harder win, but again it's those left hooks.. Roy leads with them.. Ali got hit with them.

[BoxBuzz]

You took the bait.......like a lake stocked fish.


And left Foster out of the discussion.


It's what you do.

Anyway......Roy is not going to beat an equally prime Ali....or an equally aged Ali. Ali would knock him out.....

Roy did not require Foreman or Frazier power to dim his lights. And the Ali that you see through your glasses is apparently as slow as molasses.

But the problem is not Ali, it's your glasses..................................(yeah I'm a poet)

But....M.A. was a bit more on the quick side......and he would tag Roy....and Roy would enjoy a snooze.

You know it, I know it....Bob Dole knows it.

Now stop making mistakes like this, and get back to being an aficionado
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[Kalan]

You took the bait.......like a lake stocked fish.


And left Foster out of the discussion.


It's what you do.

Anyway......Roy is not going to beat an equally prime Ali....or an equally aged Ali. Ali would knock him out.....

Roy did not require Foreman or Frazier power to dim his lights. And the Ali that you see through your glasses is apparently as slow as molasses.

But the problem is not Ali, it's your glasses..................................(yeah I'm a poet)

But....M.A. was a bit more on the quick side......and he would tag Roy....and Roy would enjoy a snooze.

You know it, I know it....Bob Dole knows it.

Now stop making mistakes like this, and get back to being an aficionado
.

You're a baiter,

But I don't take it.

I know your game Fillmore

Here's to the many things you and Bob Dole know for certain -- that are incorrect and for all the white space you use

Conventional wisdom is often dead wrong... Like when everyone knew Ali was going to beat huge underdogs Spinks and Norton...and when everyone knew Tyson would cream Douglas in short order because he was such a massive favorite.

Bob Foster??? How much did Foster weigh for the Ali fight??? Barely over the Light Heavyweight Limit.. Foster wasn't prepared to fight a Heavyweight and was knocked out by many a Heavyweight.. He had no meat on his skinny frame and Ali had him by 40 pounds.. If Foster built himself up even as as big as Jimmy Ellis he would have done better.

Ruiz hit Holyfield tons in their 3 fights... Ruiz was able tag up and beat Heavyweight Champion Hasim Rahman... He couldn't put a decent glove on Roy Jones.. You see Roy was a true master boxer and Ali wasn't.. Ali got hit a lot.. and couldn't knock out Light Heavyweight Doug Jones.. and had a very hard time trying to get rid of former Middleweight Jimmy Ellis.. and was floored hard by 185-pound Henry Cooper and was floored by that other little guy Sonny Banks.. And Frazier weighed 205...hardly a big Heavyweight, or elusive...but tagged Ali up a lot.. If Ali could hit real good he would have done a George Foreman job on Frazier.

A few guys knocked Ken Norton out, but he had the right opponent in Ali... And so would Roy Jones... And a prime Roy Jones would be ready.. A solid 198.. Ali weighed 201 for Cooper II... Ali wouldn't penetrate Roy's defense -- and Roy would tag the very hittable Ali up.. Specially w/ jabs and left hooks.

[montrealsuper]

Roy Jones was infinitely better than Floyd, but far less protected and far less of a ducker. Roy was electrifying as a fighter, Floyd was very good very talented but boring and ULTRA protected by an advisor whose entire leverage as a power broker was 100% reliant on Floyd sustaining that fake 0.

Roy was a duck for a few years and tried to duck Tarver but he eventually gave up on ducking Tarver and then we learned why he didnt want to fight Tony T. Floyd with the help of Haymon was able to duck and dodge all of his Antonio Tarvers.

Roy and Floyd can't be compared, Roy was far FAR FAR SUPERIOR.

[Kalan]

Floyd is considered the best boxer of the last generation... Roy isn't...

Floyd did duck Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, and Gennady Golovkin, to name a few...but Floyd's philosophy was always "The most money for the least risk." ... And if Boxing is a business and not a sport, that is the business model.. Certainly Floyd has been a better businessman than Roy -- that point is beyond dispute.

[gilgamesh]

Roy Jones was infinitely better than Floyd, but far less protected and far less of a ducker. Roy was electrifying as a fighter, Floyd was very good very talented but boring and ULTRA protected by an advisor whose entire leverage as a power broker was 100% reliant on Floyd sustaining that fake 0.

Roy was a duck for a few years and tried to duck Tarver but he eventually gave up on ducking Tarver and then we learned why he didnt want to fight Tony T. Floyd with the help of Haymon was able to duck and dodge all of his Antonio Tarvers.

Roy and Floyd can't be compared, Roy was far FAR FAR SUPERIOR.

No. He absolutely wasn't.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd is considered the best boxer of the last generation... Roy isn't...

Floyd did duck Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, and Gennady Golovkin, to name a few...but Floyd's philosophy was always "The most money for the least risk." ... And if Boxing is a business and not a sport, that is the business model.. Certainly Floyd has been a better businessman than Roy -- that point is beyond dispute.

Floyd was never in the same weight class as Golovkin. You can't duck a guy who isn't in your weight class.

He fought, and beat better fighters than Thurman or Brook.

[elmersalsa]

Twenty five years from now, the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr will be considered by many as the greatest fighter bar none!

He whupped every significant fighter of his era. End of story!

[montrealsuper]

Floyd is considered the best boxer of the last generation... Roy isn't...

Floyd did duck Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, and Gennady Golovkin, to name a few...but Floyd's philosophy was always "The most money for the least risk." ... And if Boxing is a business and not a sport, that is the business model.. Certainly Floyd has been a better businessman than Roy -- that point is beyond dispute.

Floyd was never in the same weight class as Golovkin. You can't duck a guy who isn't in your weight class.

He fought, and beat better fighters than Thurman or Brook.

Floyd fought at 154, GGG vowed to come down to 154. hence it's a DUCK.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd was never in the same weight class as Golovkin. You can't duck a guy who isn't in your weight class.

He fought, and beat better fighters than Thurman or Brook.

Floyd fought at 154, GGG vowed to come down to 154. hence it's a DUCK.

Considering the absurd money that Floyd was able to take with the fights he took as opposed to accepting GGG's offer to fight him at 154 for less, I highly doubt just about any other fighter in history wouldn't have made the same choice.

Fight a sparring match for $300 Million, or fight potentially the most dangerous opponent of your career for a fraction of that....hmm....tough choice.

I'm a huge GGG fan, and I think a few big name fighters have indeed ducked Golovkin. I don't consider Floyd one of them because I never seriously considered that fight as something that was ever in play.

Just like I don't give GGG any sh*t about not fighting Andre Ward for the same reason. It was never really in play. Even though GGG said "Why not?" when asked if he'd go up to 168 to fight him. He never did. Did he duck Andre Ward? No...he made a smarter career choice, and has made more money and enjoyed more success as a result.

[montrealsuper]

But Fraudweather said on the record that GGG is overrated and he's one dimensional and Brook was beating him. But of course those are all fraud lies. Floyd knows Golovkin would slaughterhouse his ass like a lion would slaughterhouse a fawn with a broken leg.

One thing about Floyd, he always knew who to handpick and who to duck and dodge (Margarito, Cotto in 08, Williams, Martinez, Harris, Casamayor, Wright, Pacquiao in 2009-2014, Tszyu). Floyd knows he has zero chance to survive Golovkin.

[Kalan]

Floyd was never in the same weight class as Golovkin. You can't duck a guy who isn't in your weight class.

He fought, and beat better fighters than Thurman or Brook.

Floyd fought at 154, GGG vowed to come down to 154. hence it's a DUCK.

Considering the absurd money that Floyd was able to take with the fights he took as opposed to accepting GGG's offer to fight him at 154 for less, I highly doubt just about any other fighter in history wouldn't have made the same choice.

Fight a sparring match for $300 Million, or fight potentially the most dangerous opponent of your career for a fraction of that....hmm....tough choice.

I'm a huge GGG fan, and I think a few big name fighters have indeed ducked Golovkin. I don't consider Floyd one of them because I never seriously considered that fight as something that was ever in play.

Just like I don't give GGG any sh*t about not fighting Andre Ward for the same reason. It was never really in play. Even though GGG said "Why not?" when asked if he'd go up to 168 to fight him. He never did. Did he duck Andre Ward? No...he made a smarter career choice, and has made more money and enjoyed more success as a result.

The GGG fight was a duck job by Mayweather -- and would have done better than Berto ... What you're saying is, it was an intelligent and business savvy duck...

GGG never ducked Ward... GGG tried for 4 years to get acclamation fights at 168 with Rodriguez, Oosthuiszen, Chavez, and Froch... Those fights ALL fell through or we would have seen Golovkin-Ward a long time ago.. Sanchez advised GGG to acclimate to 168 for 1 fight... Ward acclimated to 175 with 3 different fights... It's a bigger percentage of your body weight going from 160 to 168 - than 168 to 175.

[gilgamesh]

Plans change in Boxing.

[Kalan]

Considering the absurd money that Floyd was able to take with the fights he took as opposed to accepting GGG's offer to fight him at 154 for less, I highly doubt just about any other fighter in history wouldn't have made the same choice.

Fight a sparring match for $300 Million, or fight potentially the most dangerous opponent of your career for a fraction of that....hmm....tough choice.

I'm a huge GGG fan, and I think a few big name fighters have indeed ducked Golovkin. I don't consider Floyd one of them because I never seriously considered that fight as something that was ever in play.

Just like I don't give GGG any sh*t about not fighting Andre Ward for the same reason. It was never really in play. Even though GGG said "Why not?" when asked if he'd go up to 168 to fight him. He never did. Did he duck Andre Ward? No...he made a smarter career choice, and has made more money and enjoyed more success as a result.

The GGG fight was a duck job by Mayweather -- and would have done better than Berto ... What you're saying is, it was an intelligent and business savvy duck...

GGG never ducked Ward... GGG tried for 4 years to get acclamation fights at 168 with Rodriguez, Oosthuiszen, Chavez, and Froch... Those fights ALL fell through or we would have seen Golovkin-Ward a long time ago.. Sanchez advised GGG to acclimate to 168 for 1 fight... Ward acclimated to 175 with 3 different fights... It's a bigger percentage of your body weight going from 160 to 168 - than 168 to 175.

By your perverted logic then both Lewis and Holyfield ducked Jones Jr, because after he beat Ruiz, he mouthed off about fighting them. The same as Golovkin mouthed off about losing 6 lbs and fighting boxing's biggest cash cow. Now THERE is a surprise.

They would have LOVED to fight Roy Jones... BIG, BIG MONEY -- BIG, BIG BIG BIG MONEY -- But They didn't get the chance to fight Roy.

Roy Jones was all set to fight Corrie Sanders -- possibly not the best opponent for him -- til Sanders was stripped for fighting Roy.. Roy ducked out of the fight, cuz he wanted Corrie's title.. But 1 fine day Antonio Tarver invaded Roy's press conference with a loud microphone that drowned out the conference.. Tarver loudly accused Roy of ducking him for years and years and going Heavyweight to duck him again.. What Roy might have done is challenge Tarver to come up to Heavyweight to fight him -- but he decided to strip all that fresh muscle off and come back down to 175 to contend with Tarver..

Amazingly enough, Roy didn't always make the the most savvy business decisions.

[montrealsuper]

But Fraudweather said on the record that GGG is overrated and he's one dimensional and Brook was beating him. But of course those are all fraud lies. Floyd knows Golovkin would slaughterhouse his ass like a lion would slaughterhouse a fawn with a broken leg.

One thing about Floyd, he always knew who to handpick and who to duck and dodge (Margarito, Cotto in 08, Williams, Martinez, Harris, Casamayor, Wright, Pacquiao in 2009-2014, Tszyu). Floyd knows he has zero chance to survive Golovkin.

If you are going to make those kind of claims, then you should post both sides of the story. Mayweather first went after Cotto in 2005. In fact he even battered Cotto's stablemate and sparring partner Bruseles to try to force the fight, but dear old bob claimed Miguel wasn't ready for Mayweather at that time. This was pretty stupid because Bruseles was only Mayweather's second fight at 140, whereas Cotto had been campaigning at the weight for a few years, and indeed held the WBO title at 140.

Furthermore I would suggest there are plenty of folks who might well consider Golovkin to be somewhat one dimensional, and just like Mayweather they are as entitled to their opinions as you are to yours.

Anyone who believes the Mayweather / Pac fight not happening when it should have between the dates you mention was solely down to Mayweather either hates the guy with a vengance, or they haven't got a clue what they are talking about.

Fraudweatehr ducked Pac all those yrs because he knew those blinding ten punch combos from the lefty stance would have knocked his lil head into the fifth row. Fraudweather even confessed he feared for his health vs Pac and ducking him was for "self preservation." The lil SOBweather even called himself a Yeah but im a rich coward" right to the m edia's face. You got rope a doped by one of the biggest frauds in history.

BTW add Spadafora as another opponent Floyd ducked in 2003. Fraudweather is the biggest protected fraud in boxing history. The motive was there because Haymon knew all his power and leverage was based on Floyd's 0 so he made sure to protect that 0 by any means necessary. Floyd went along for the ride and knew he had that all important protection. Arrogantly boasting to the media "God (Haymon) won't let me lose."

[montrealsuper]

The GGG fight was a duck job by Mayweather -- and would have done better than Berto ... What you're saying is, it was an intelligent and business savvy duck...

GGG never ducked Ward... GGG tried for 4 years to get acclamation fights at 168 with Rodriguez, Oosthuiszen, Chavez, and Froch... Those fights ALL fell through or we would have seen Golovkin-Ward a long time ago.. Sanchez advised GGG to acclimate to 168 for 1 fight... Ward acclimated to 175 with 3 different fights... It's a bigger percentage of your body weight going from 160 to 168 - than 168 to 175.

By your perverted logic then both Lewis and Holyfield ducked Jones Jr, because after he beat Ruiz, he mouthed off about fighting them. The same as Golovkin mouthed off about losing 6 lbs and fighting boxing's biggest cash cow. Now THERE is a surprise.

They would have LOVED to fight Roy Jones... BIG, BIG MONEY -- BIG, BIG BIG BIG MONEY -- But They didn't get the chance to fight Roy.

Roy Jones was all set to fight Corrie Sanders -- possibly not the best opponent for him -- til Sanders was stripped for fighting Roy.. Roy ducked out of the fight, cuz he wanted Corrie's title.. But 1 fine day Antonio Tarver invaded Roy's press conference with a loud microphone that drowned out the conference.. Tarver loudly accused Roy of ducking him for years and years and going Heavyweight to duck him again.. What Roy might have done is challenge Tarver to come up to Heavyweight to fight him -- but he decided to strip all that fresh muscle off and come back down to 175 to contend with Tarver..

Amazingly enough, Roy didn't always make the the most savvy business decisions.

Roy never wanted Sanders who was too big and hit too hard. You got doped. Roy also could have fought Chris Byrd for Byrd's IBF title in a HWT unification fight but Roy ducked Byrd. Roy knew Byrd was too big and too clver and too tricky and was not a basic simple limited fighter like Ruiz.

Roy didn't even want to fight old Holyfield. To think Roy wanted to fight prime Sanders off the Wladimir KO is laughable. If anything, Roy just namedropped Sanders to look good in the media. Funny that some actually bought it because Sanders would have put Roy in a coma.

[montrealsuper]

Cotto wanted Floyd in 08 when both held 147 titles and both were undefeated, but Floyd ducked it citing Cotto's PPV #s and that he's from Puerto Rico. Yuo fell for the fraud illusion created by Floyd that Cotto was too green. If he was too green Floyd would have signed up. The money was there for that fight but Floyd knew Cotto was too tough.

Why didn't Floyd use the too green card to duck McGregor? Wake up bro.

[Kalan]

You're accusing floyd of cleverly managing his own career ... and seeing the market potential of May-Mac before anybody else did... Few took it seriously.

I didn't see how it was ever going to be approved at first blush... But then I thought "Why not??? Much bigger mismatches have been approved by the NSAC"

And there was a precedent: The Patterson vs Rademacher Title Fight... I never saw that getting approval, but it did... Rademacher lasted into the 6th.