Andre Ward's Resume

[Ossyrules]

My thoughts...

Immensely skilled boxer and one of the best of his generation. That was his talent

His record however much the OP wants to fluff it up with a number of awards etc, in reality when it comes down to opponents, his record is very very thin, and should cost him in all time standings

[RScarf1]

Even if all his wins were legitimate, his resume is still weak compared to all-time greats. That is why he is not one of them.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'd guess he's at the back end of the top 100, top 3 super middle.

[Enlightened-One]

My thoughts...

Immensely skilled boxer and one of the best of his generation. That was his talent

His record however much the OP wants to fluff it up with a number of awards etc, in reality when it comes down to opponents, his record is very very thin, and should cost him in all time standings

Andre Ward's record is very thin? I bet you can't name fight currently active fighters with a better resume?

[RScarf1]

My thoughts...

Immensely skilled boxer and one of the best of his generation. That was his talent

His record however much the OP wants to fluff it up with a number of awards etc, in reality when it comes down to opponents, his record is very very thin, and should cost him in all time standings

Andre Ward's record is very thin? I bet you can't name fight currently active fighters with a better resume?

I can. Pacquiao

[Impractical Poster]

That long hiatus he took hurts his legacy a bit. But, he still fought and beat all the best of his time.

He should have fought Bute at super middleweight before Froch got to him.

He should fight/have fought Stevenson, Hopkins, Alvarez, Beterbiev, Pascal, Jack etc.

He's got a good record, but he has hardly cleaned house at light heavyweight.

I consider him as career SMW. Had he debuted at LHW a few years earlier, I would agree with you. But he only had a couple fights there. It was kinda Bute's fault they never had the opportunity to fight. Had Bute joined into the Super Six, they may well have met. Or he would have been exposed early on. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think it really matters that he never faced Bute. Ward fought and beat the better guys.

[Ossyrules]

I'd guess he's at the back end of the top 100, top 3 super middle.

Sounds about right to me

[Ossyrules]

My thoughts...

Immensely skilled boxer and one of the best of his generation. That was his talent

His record however much the OP wants to fluff it up with a number of awards etc, in reality when it comes down to opponents, his record is very very thin, and should cost him in all time standings

Andre Ward's record is very thin? I bet you can't name fight currently active fighters with a better resume?

Rscarf beat me to it, Pacquaio

I'm not deny his ability, but tell me how deep his record is. Fighters, not awards

[Enlightened-One]

My thoughts...

Immensely skilled boxer and one of the best of his generation. That was his talent

His record however much the OP wants to fluff it up with a number of awards etc, in reality when it comes down to opponents, his record is very very thin, and should cost him in all time standings

Andre Ward's record is very thin? I bet you can't name fight currently active fighters with a better resume?

I can. Pacquiao

LOL I made a typo. I meant to ask for five

[cfang]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

[Enlightened-One]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

I have exactly the same opinion as you.

Some people from this forum feel that Andre Ward's accomplishments or legacy is either "fluffed", irrelevant, very "thin" or simply garbage, simply because his resume isn't as great as Manny Pacquiao's, which is an totally unfair stance to adopt.

I wasn't a huge fan of Ward's fighting style, but I recognise the fact that he was very effective, supremely talented, beat the best fighters available and has also technically achieved an awful lot in this sport.

[Ossyrules]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

I have exactly the same opinion as you.

Some people from this forum feel that Andre Ward's accomplishments or legacy is either "fluffed", irrelevant, very "thin" or simply garbage, simply because his resume isn't as great as Manny Pacquiao's, which is an totally unfair stance to adopt.

I wasn't a huge fan of Ward's fighting style, but I recognise the fact that he was very effective, supremely talented, beat the best fighters available and has also technically achieved an awful lot in this sport.

Not sure if you've indirectly aimed this at me, but ward is one heck of a boxer, but if he's going to be compared to all time great boxers and in that type of discussion. His record is way thin. Not enough top fighters and also lacking depth.

It's not uncommon though in today's boxing. Lots of belts = easy excuses to fight other people

[Enlightened-One]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

I have exactly the same opinion as you.

Some people from this forum feel that Andre Ward's accomplishments or legacy is either "fluffed", irrelevant, very "thin" or simply garbage, simply because his resume isn't as great as Manny Pacquiao's, which is an totally unfair stance to adopt.

I wasn't a huge fan of Ward's fighting style, but I recognise the fact that he was very effective, supremely talented, beat the best fighters available and has also technically achieved an awful lot in this sport.

Not sure if you've indirectly aimed this at me, but ward is one heck of a boxer, but if he's going to be compared to all time great boxers and in that type of discussion. His record is way thin. Not enough top fighters and also lacking depth.

It's not uncommon though in today's boxing. Lots of belts = easy excuses to fight other people

I was addressing the general sentiments of those that voiced their opinion.

If I thought that you’d said something that I strongly objected to, then I would have directly challenged your post.

The bizarre thing though, is that some people boldly profess their appreciation of Gennady Golovkin, to the point that some even claim him to be comparable to the likes of Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Robinson, whilst blatantly ignoring similarly talented fighters like Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins… but GGG’s résumé is unimpressive in comparison to Andre Ward’s.

Some fighters are given a “free pass” by fight fans, being lavished with praise without requiring the need for validation, whilst others are held accountable to higher standards and are often criticised based on minutiae.

The lack of consistency is mind boggling! Far too many people choose to apply double-standards!

[RScarf1]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

I have exactly the same opinion as you.

Some people from this forum feel that Andre Ward's accomplishments or legacy is either "fluffed", irrelevant, very "thin" or simply garbage, simply because his resume isn't as great as Manny Pacquiao's, which is an totally unfair stance to adopt.

I wasn't a huge fan of Ward's fighting style, but I recognise the fact that he was very effective, supremely talented, beat the best fighters available and has also technically achieved an awful lot in this sport.

I can also say the same thing about Golovkin, that he beat the best fighters available. Alvarez and Jacobs are the best in the middleweight division other than Golovkin and I thought he won both of those fights. I hope that Golovkin fights Jermall Charlo instead of a rematch with Alvarez because Charlo is the other top boxer in the division. Ward's resume is thin. He beat Kessler, Froch, and Kovalev. These are the best three opponents of his career because Dawson was past his prime. I don't care about his undefeated record. That means nothing. Very few of the all-time greats retire undefeated. Floyd Mayweather, Rocky Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, and Joe Calzaghe are the best that retired with no losses other than Ward and they all have better resumes than Ward.

[jezzamundo]

You're fukkiing blind if you think Ward won the first Kovalev fight... Kovalev landed more punches... landed harder punches... knocked Ward down... was the aggressor most of the way and repeatedly chased Ward to the ropes.. He won 116-111 at least.

The rematch was ended on low blows. when Kovalev bent over... Khan vs Judah was another robbery -- a deliberate low blow ended it when Judah went down for the count.. Generally you get rest or the fouler get DQ'd.. Larry Holmes repeatedly got rest from the low blows by Gerry Cooney when Holmes bent over.. Riddick Bowe got rest when he was fouled with low blows, and was eventually justly awarded both Golota fights.

Kirk Johnson got screwed when Joe Cortez called several low blows on Johnson while Ruiz was head butting him, wrestling, and physically throwing Johnson to canvas.. An accidental borderline low blow ended the fight on DQ. The punch didn't hurt Ruiz in the slightest, but Cortez handed the fight to his buddy, the fouling Ruiz, on DQ.. The commentators all disagreed with the decision.. Justice is sometimes done in this game ... at other times corruption prevails.

The first Ward-Kovalev fight was clearly closer than GGG-Canelo. I had it 114-113 Ward when watching live at home and rooting for Kovalev and was shocked when all the judges had it the same as me. Upon rewatching the fight, I realised I'd been a little generous to Ward and had Kovalev winning by a single point. 116-111 at least is bullshit - the only rounds Krusher clearly won were the 1st, 2nd and 10th, though I thought he edged the 4th and 6th as well and upon rewatching I gave him the 12th, for a 114-113 win. So while I agree Kovalev deserved to win and the 10th round scoring was fishy as hell, it's still a very close fight.

[tiny_acres]

You're fukkiing blind if you think Ward won the first Kovalev fight... Kovalev landed more punches... landed harder punches... knocked Ward down... was the aggressor most of the way and repeatedly chased Ward to the ropes.. He won 116-111 at least.

The rematch was ended on low blows. when Kovalev bent over... Khan vs Judah was another robbery -- a deliberate low blow ended it when Judah went down for the count.. Generally you get rest or the fouler get DQ'd.. Larry Holmes repeatedly got rest from the low blows by Gerry Cooney when Holmes bent over.. Riddick Bowe got rest when he was fouled with low blows, and was eventually justly awarded both Golota fights.

Kirk Johnson got screwed when Joe Cortez called several low blows on Johnson while Ruiz was head butting him, wrestling, and physically throwing Johnson to canvas.. An accidental borderline low blow ended the fight on DQ. The punch didn't hurt Ruiz in the slightest, but Cortez handed the fight to his buddy, the fouling Ruiz, on DQ.. The commentators all disagreed with the decision.. Justice is sometimes done in this game ... at other times corruption prevails.

The first Ward-Kovalev fight was clearly closer than GGG-Canelo. I had it 114-113 Ward when watching live at home and rooting for Kovalev and was shocked when all the judges had it the same as me. Upon rewatching the fight, I realised I'd been a little generous to Ward and had Kovalev winning by a single point. 116-111 at least is bullshit - the only rounds Krusher clearly won were the 1st, 2nd and 10th, though I thought he edged the 4th and 6th as well and upon rewatching I gave him the 12th, for a 114-113 win. So while I agree Kovalev deserved to win and the 10th round scoring was fishy as hell, it's still a very close fight.

Good post. The fight was close and not the robbery some claim.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't like ward and his boring and dirty style but his record is perfect and you can't pick holes in it in my view. He ticks every box for greatness when it comes to accomplishments and is one of the greatest fighters of my lifetime.

I have exactly the same opinion as you.

Some people from this forum feel that Andre Ward's accomplishments or legacy is either "fluffed", irrelevant, very "thin" or simply garbage, simply because his resume isn't as great as Manny Pacquiao's, which is an totally unfair stance to adopt.

I wasn't a huge fan of Ward's fighting style, but I recognise the fact that he was very effective, supremely talented, beat the best fighters available and has also technically achieved an awful lot in this sport.

I can also say the same thing about Golovkin, that he beat the best fighters available. Alvarez and Jacobs are the best in the middleweight division other than Golovkin and I thought he won both of those fights. I hope that Golovkin fights Jermall Charlo instead of a rematch with Alvarez because Charlo is the other top boxer in the division. Ward's resume is thin. He beat Kessler, Froch, and Kovalev. These are the best three opponents of his career because Dawson was past his prime. I don't care about his undefeated record. That means nothing. Very few of the all-time greats retire undefeated. Floyd Mayweather, Rocky Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, and Joe Calzaghe are the best that retired with no losses other than Ward and they all have better resumes than Ward.

Lmao, wards resume is way better than Lopez and right there with calzaghe and Marciano. Floyd is in a different league.

[Kalan]

You're fukkiing blind if you think Ward won the first Kovalev fight... Kovalev landed more punches... landed harder punches... knocked Ward down... was the aggressor most of the way and repeatedly chased Ward to the ropes.. He won 116-111 at least.

The rematch was ended on low blows. when Kovalev bent over... Khan vs Judah was another robbery -- a deliberate low blow ended it when Judah went down for the count.. Generally you get rest or the fouler get DQ'd.. Larry Holmes repeatedly got rest from the low blows by Gerry Cooney when Holmes bent over.. Riddick Bowe got rest when he was fouled with low blows, and was eventually justly awarded both Golota fights.

Kirk Johnson got screwed when Joe Cortez called several low blows on Johnson while Ruiz was head butting him, wrestling, and physically throwing Johnson to canvas.. An accidental borderline low blow ended the fight on DQ. The punch didn't hurt Ruiz in the slightest, but Cortez handed the fight to his buddy, the fouling Ruiz, on DQ.. The commentators all disagreed with the decision.. Justice is sometimes done in this game ... at other times corruption prevails.

The first Ward-Kovalev fight was clearly closer than GGG-Canelo. I had it 114-113 Ward when watching live at home and rooting for Kovalev and was shocked when all the judges had it the same as me. Upon rewatching the fight, I realised I'd been a little generous to Ward and had Kovalev winning by a single point. 116-111 at least is bullshit - the only rounds Krusher clearly won were the 1st, 2nd and 10th, though I thought he edged the 4th and 6th as well and upon rewatching I gave him the 12th, for a 114-113 win. So while I agree Kovalev deserved to win and the 10th round scoring was fishy as hell, it's still a very close fight.

You're blind if you think the first fight was decided by one point.. What??? Did you give the 10th round to Ward on your first look see, and than realized your mistake and gave it to Kovalev on further review??? ... Good try, but I don't believe you're a Kovalev fan.

Boxing matches are scored on boxing, punches landed, knockdowns, and effective aggression -- not by pushing, mauling, head-work, leveraging with arms and elbows, low blows, and smothered inside shots that don't do a thing---where the openings are gained by illegal pushing and leveraging tactics.

[RScarf1]

I can also say the same thing about Golovkin, that he beat the best fighters available. Alvarez and Jacobs are the best in the middleweight division other than Golovkin and I thought he won both of those fights. I hope that Golovkin fights Jermall Charlo instead of a rematch with Alvarez because Charlo is the other top boxer in the division. Ward's resume is thin. He beat Kessler, Froch, and Kovalev. These are the best three opponents of his career because Dawson was past his prime. I don't care about his undefeated record. That means nothing. Very few of the all-time greats retire undefeated. Floyd Mayweather, Rocky Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, and Joe Calzaghe are the best that retired with no losses other than Ward and they all have better resumes than Ward.

Lmao, wards resume is way better than Lopez and right there with calzaghe and Marciano. Floyd is in a different league.

I respectfully disagree. Lopez is the best minimumweight of all time by far. Calzaghe and Marciano had much better careers than Ward.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I can also say the same thing about Golovkin, that he beat the best fighters available. Alvarez and Jacobs are the best in the middleweight division other than Golovkin and I thought he won both of those fights. I hope that Golovkin fights Jermall Charlo instead of a rematch with Alvarez because Charlo is the other top boxer in the division. Ward's resume is thin. He beat Kessler, Froch, and Kovalev. These are the best three opponents of his career because Dawson was past his prime. I don't care about his undefeated record. That means nothing. Very few of the all-time greats retire undefeated. Floyd Mayweather, Rocky Marciano, Ricardo Lopez, and Joe Calzaghe are the best that retired with no losses other than Ward and they all have better resumes than Ward.

Lmao, wards resume is way better than Lopez and right there with calzaghe and Marciano. Floyd is in a different league.

I respectfully disagree. Lopez is the best minimumweight of all time by far. Calzaghe and Marciano had much better careers than Ward.

Much better? That's laughable. Lopez is one of the most overrated resumes in history. If he had the ambition of Roman gonzalez he might have been as great.

[RScarf1]

Lmao, wards resume is way better than Lopez and right there with calzaghe and Marciano. Floyd is in a different league.

I respectfully disagree. Lopez is the best minimumweight of all time by far. Calzaghe and Marciano had much better careers than Ward.

Much better? That's laughable. Lopez is one of the most overrated resumes in history. If he had the ambition of Roman gonzalez he might have been as great.

Here is their boxrec all-time ratings and records:
Floyd Mayweather No. 1 (50-0)
Ricardo Lopez No. 39 (51-0-1)
Joe Calzaghe No. 43 (46-0)
Andre Ward No. 150 (32-0)
The computer rates them based on the quality of their opposition and the results against them. Ward will be in the hall of fame, but he's not an all-time great. There are boxers with losses that had better careers than Ward. Most of the all-time greats have losses on their record.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I respectfully disagree. Lopez is the best minimumweight of all time by far. Calzaghe and Marciano had much better careers than Ward.

Much better? That's laughable. Lopez is one of the most overrated resumes in history. If he had the ambition of Roman gonzalez he might have been as great.

Here is their boxrec all-time ratings and records:
Floyd Mayweather No. 1 (50-0)
Ricardo Lopez No. 39 (51-0-1)
Joe Calzaghe No. 43 (46-0)
Andre Ward No. 150 (32-0)
The computer rates them based on the quality of their opposition and the results against them. Ward will be in the hall of fame, but he's not an all-time great. There are boxers with losses that had better careers than Ward. Most of the all-time greats have losses on their record.

Boxrec has the worst all time rankings I've ever seen. I never said anything about losses, you brought up the guys without any and your rating of them is terrible. Obviously you hate ward too much to discuss him rationally.

[RScarf1]

Much better? That's laughable. Lopez is one of the most overrated resumes in history. If he had the ambition of Roman gonzalez he might have been as great.

Here is their boxrec all-time ratings and records:
Floyd Mayweather No. 1 (50-0)
Ricardo Lopez No. 39 (51-0-1)
Joe Calzaghe No. 43 (46-0)
Andre Ward No. 150 (32-0)
The computer rates them based on the quality of their opposition and the results against them. Ward will be in the hall of fame, but he's not an all-time great. There are boxers with losses that had better careers than Ward. Most of the all-time greats have losses on their record.

Boxrec has the worst all time rankings I've ever seen. I never said anything about losses, you brought up the guys without any and your rating of them is terrible. Obviously you hate ward too much to discuss him rationally.

I brought up the boxers without any losses to compare them to Ward who also has no losses since people seem to equate being undefeated to automatically being an all-time great. These are boxrec's ratings. I think I am discussing Ward rationally. You mention that Ricardo Lopez did not have as much ambition as Roman Gonzalez. Based on what? Did he fight just Tijuana cab drivers?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He could have moved up for carbajal or Johnson. He didn't have to, but it leaves him without the big names. Sorjaturong was his best scalp and a great performance. I thought all the guys you listed lost a fight with the exception of Marciano and I never saw Lowry. I rate good losses when rating fighters anyway. If you think ward is nowhere in the vicinity of all but Floyd you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[RScarf1]

He could have moved up for carbajal or Johnson. He didn't have to, but it leaves him without the big names. Sorjaturong was his best scalp and a great performance. I thought all the guys you listed lost a fight with the exception of Marciano and I never saw Lowry. I rate good losses when rating fighters anyway. If you think ward is nowhere in the vicinity of all but Floyd you simply don't know what you're talking about.

I can say the same thing about Ward. Are all his wins legitimate? Does a boxer have to fight someone in another weight class in order to prove his greatness? Let's criticize Michael Carbajal because he did not move down in weight to fight Lopez.