How the f$#K everytime Wilder has to fight a solid opponent, that opponent fails the drug test ?? It's very fishy!

[tiny_acres]

he could just fight Stiverne and be blamed for it, he could fight Ortiz and then he got caught and say ''i tried my best but he is a cheater'' and fight Stiverne

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

Saad you're wasting your breath. According to these people Wilder controls the WBC and VADA. He must be the biggest draw in boxing to have that much power and money.

[Ilya Muromets]

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A skinny 6' 7" 23 year old gaining 20Ibs in 5 or 6 years really isn't comparible to Joshua or Povetkin

Joshua and Wilder both have body builds that suggest they might be bodybuilding drug users; Povetkin does not.

LMAO. Povetkin typically comes in heavier than Wilder and is 5 inchs shorter, he carries much more muscle. I mean that as well as him failing drug tests, plus he gained muscle definition, without losing weight in his mid 30s.

Jeez there's other ways to get bigger and stronger than taking drugs. Me for instance. I put on a lot of weight and muscle by working out a lot. I also got bigger in my thirties. People have asked me if I used drugs. I never went near any drug. But there is a certain look that can make you suspicious - especially in sports that are known for drug usage - the real cut up look, maybe unnaturally cut up, the type of body you didn't see on boxers in the years before steroids, or on bodybuilders either. I don't have that look nor does Povetkin, nor does Ortiz, and like Big Baby Miller says neither him nor his friend Kownacki have that look, that's for sure!

[apollo creed]

How the f$#K everytime Wilder has to fight a solid opponent, that opponent fails the drug test ?? It's very fishy!

I knew something will go wrong with this fight and Wilder won't fight a legit opponent. So both Povetkin and Ortiz stacked their bodies with peds knowing they will have to be tested before fighting Wilder and screw their chance to become champions ? I don't buy it!

Stop with the conspiracy theory fúckíng búllshít nonsense! FFS!

NO conspiracy... Just follow the money... The money for VADA is in forcing 100's of athletes to take their "voluntary" tests.. That's why the "Clean Boxing Program" was invented.. It's a scam between VADA and the WBC.. And it's very funny they keep forcing more and more boxers to take their expensive tests.. And the guys who turn up dirty are foreign boxers from Australia, Eastern Europe, and Cuba.. They have 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostraine that nobody else can find??? They're dirty and the fight is canceled. Stiverne shows up with a massive amount of PED in his system??? He's fine.. The fight goes on because he didn't really mean it.. Latino boxers with the right connections have been totally excused for inadvertent usage.. Sound familiar like Floyd Mayweather???

Spot on! People are so blind.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

he could just fight Stiverne and be blamed for it, he could fight Ortiz and then he got caught and say ''i tried my best but he is a cheater'' and fight Stiverne

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

Saad you're wasting your breath. According to these people Wilder controls the WBC and VADA. He must be the biggest draw in boxing to have that much power and money.

You're right, thank you. Time to crank out some foes.

[apollo creed]

he could just fight Stiverne and be blamed for it, he could fight Ortiz and then he got caught and say ''i tried my best but he is a cheater'' and fight Stiverne

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

Saad you're wasting your breath. According to these people Wilder controls the WBC and VADA. He must be the biggest draw in boxing to have that much power and money.

Why so blind ? Wilder is just a muppet. He's not the one who is pulling the strings. He has to stay undefeated with his trinket and unify with AJ in a big money fight.

[BitPlayer]

Joshua and Wilder both have body builds that suggest they might be bodybuilding drug users; Povetkin does not.

LMAO. Povetkin typically comes in heavier than Wilder and is 5 inchs shorter, he carries much more muscle. I mean that as well as him failing drug tests, plus he gained muscle definition, without losing weight in his mid 30s.

Jeez there's other ways to get bigger and stronger than taking drugs. Me for instance. I put on a lot of weight and muscle by working out a lot. I also got bigger in my thirties. People have asked me if I used drugs. I never went near any drug. But there is a certain look that can make you suspicious - especially in sports that are known for drug usage - the real cut up look, maybe unnaturally cut up, the type of body you didn't see on boxers in the years before steroids, or on bodybuilders either. I don't have that look nor does Povetkin, nor does Ortiz, and like Big Baby Miller says neither him nor his friend Kownacki have that look, that's for sure!

Yeah I'm sure Povetkin wasn't working out a lot back then lol.

It's one thing a newb putting on muscle that age, but Povetkin was already a solidly built boxer who'd been training hard for many years, he turned pro in '05 FFS.

[dagilechia]

he could just fight Stiverne and be blamed for it, he could fight Ortiz and then he got caught and say ''i tried my best but he is a cheater'' and fight Stiverne

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

I don't know what milions you think about? that what Ortiz had to earn go to Stiverne + no risk of loss before a profitable fight vs AJ. i see only profits

[SaadOffTheDeck]

he could just fight Stiverne and be blamed for it, he could fight Ortiz and then he got caught and say ''i tried my best but he is a cheater'' and fight Stiverne

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

I don't know what milions you think about? that what Ortiz had to earn go to Stiverne + no risk of loss before a profitable fight vs AJ. i see only profits

Wilder had to pay stiverne to step aside and is wilder so powerful that he just says the word and Ortiz is set up? No bribe money? Deontay Corleone?

[BitPlayer]

Gotta love all these Wilder conspiracy theories.

[BitPlayer]

He's easily the most victimized fighter in the game now.

The threads on here today are beyond boring.

The idea Wilder has the power to influence drug results.

Wilder is just a hypejob boxing muppet. He is not the one who pull the strings!

Ah yes, Dark Lord Al Haymon, most powerful being in the universe.

Pictured here in his true form

[montrealsuper]

The big yellow coward should fight Ortiz anyway.

The whole scam was probably a set up, a transparent fraud show to try to make Wilder look tough and brave. Knowing he was ever going to fight Ortiz ever anyway.

Haymon is known for these kind of fake publicity stunts. Get ready for the next Wilder vs a patsy diver.

[BitPlayer]

The big yellow coward should fight Ortiz anyway.

The whole scam was probably a set up, a transparent fraud show to try to make Wilder look tough and brave. Knowing he was ever going to fight Ortiz ever anyway.

Haymon is known for these kind of fake publicity stunts. Get ready for the next Wilder vs a patsy diver.

Would you fight someone you knew had a large unfair advantage in terms of doping?

It's easy to call boxers cowards from the safety of your fornicating sofa.

[montrealsuper]

The big coward should STFU and fight Ortiz anyway. Not run like a bitch and hide. FIGHT ORTIZ anyway tough guy. But Wilder knows he's a protected fraud. And he knows Al Haymon is desperate now and will do anything ANYTHING to keep Wilder undefeated. Haymon is on the brink of total irrelevance in boxing after the FAILURE of PBC and his only hope now is for Wilder to be his Primo Carnera.

Hey Wilder, STFU and fight Ortiz anyway. What are you afraid of?

[dagilechia]

He has to fight stiverne or pay him more. So instead of just fighting stiverne he spent millions getting stiverne to step aside and setting up Ortiz so he could fight stiverne?

I don't know what milions you think about? that what Ortiz had to earn go to Stiverne + no risk of loss before a profitable fight vs AJ. i see only profits

Wilder had to pay stiverne to step aside and is wilder so powerful that he just says the word and Ortiz is set up? No bribe money? Deontay Corleone?

bribe money for Ortiz? nah, just Wilder&WBC&Vada coalition works well, it's about to make a belief that USA got the best HW in the world again until he losses to Joshua but at least they'll earn a lot of money

[montrealsuper]

Wilder is a fraud using it as an excuse to duck. One month to the fight, WBC keeps him off steroids for the next month, the fight can still go on. Wilder doens't want any. He wants another patsy diver. Total f***** hoax.

[candyslim]

I'm so pig-sick I don't know what to think. One thing I will say: I'm bloody glad that in the UK we've got UKAD instead of VADA. I know the Furys aren't among their fans, but generally they don't fcuk up great fights. Take Joshua for example: His opponents turn up, get approved by UKAD, get starched by Joshua. It's an efficient system and devoid of the frustrations which seem to follow Deontay around like a bad smell.

[digzee]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that shit, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

[Ilya Muromets]

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[Ilya Muromets]

LMAO. Povetkin typically comes in heavier than Wilder and is 5 inchs shorter, he carries much more muscle. I mean that as well as him failing drug tests, plus he gained muscle definition, without losing weight in his mid 30s.

Jeez there's other ways to get bigger and stronger than taking drugs. Me for instance. I put on a lot of weight and muscle by working out a lot. I also got bigger in my thirties. People have asked me if I used drugs. I never went near any drug. But there is a certain look that can make you suspicious - especially in sports that are known for drug usage - the real cut up look, maybe unnaturally cut up, the type of body you didn't see on boxers in the years before steroids, or on bodybuilders either. I don't have that look nor does Povetkin, nor does Ortiz, and like Big Baby Miller says neither him nor his friend Kownacki have that look, that's for sure!

Yeah I'm sure Povetkin wasn't working out a lot back then lol.

It's one thing a newb putting on muscle that age, but Povetkin was already a solidly built boxer who'd been training hard for many years, he turned pro in '05 FFS.

Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

[BitPlayer]

Jeez there's other ways to get bigger and stronger than taking drugs. Me for instance. I put on a lot of weight and muscle by working out a lot. I also got bigger in my thirties. People have asked me if I used drugs. I never went near any drug. But there is a certain look that can make you suspicious - especially in sports that are known for drug usage - the real cut up look, maybe unnaturally cut up, the type of body you didn't see on boxers in the years before steroids, or on bodybuilders either. I don't have that look nor does Povetkin, nor does Ortiz, and like Big Baby Miller says neither him nor his friend Kownacki have that look, that's for sure!

Yeah I'm sure Povetkin wasn't working out a lot back then lol.

It's one thing a newb putting on muscle that age, but Povetkin was already a solidly built boxer who'd been training hard for many years, he turned pro in '05 FFS.

Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

He tested positive for ostarine.

[BitPlayer]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

[boxing_rocks]

Gotta love all these Wilder conspiracy theories.

No, everybody around him is dirty, but he is clean like a baby

[IronFrost]

I never liked Deontay's resume but let's be honest. Povetkin (almost everyone started suspect that boy after Klitshcko sparked him out with a jab)

and Luis Ortiz already failed his tests 2x before.


I am not even surprised by those two.

Before you start that BS about your meldonium and bla bla bla. Do you think that Pedvetkin used that meldonium only for "fun"?

What about his ostarine? Again for "fun" ?


I wont even comment Luis Ortiz. His fanboys are much smarter than Povetkin's.

Povetkin's fanboys like to blame everyone else for their boy's fault

[Best Coast]

Anyone trying to blame Wilder for the fact that Povetkin & Ortiz failed their drug tests is what we call "conspiracy theorists" in the US (aka conspiracy kooks).

[marvelous marv]

If the fight is allowed to continue, people will say there is no punishment for Ortiz but there was for other fighters. If it doesn't continue we are where we are now. It's a tough situation with no easy solution.