How the f$#K everytime Wilder has to fight a solid opponent, that opponent fails the drug test ?? It's very fishy!

[Enlightened-One]

So Alexander Povetkin, Andrzej Wawrzyk & Luis Ortiz all sign-up to fight Deontay Wilder, knowing full well that the WBC works in conjunction with VADA to administer their Clean Boxing Program, resulting in all three of these stupid m*thér fúckérs testing positive for banned substances.

What I don’t understand is that Deontay Wilder was eager to fly home after Alexander Povetkin failed his drug test, before the WBC issued their ruling, but now ‘The Bronze Bomber’ wants to continue facing Luis Ortiz?

Is the American eager to avoid taking a pay cut for the Bermane Stiverne rematch, since he wants to receive a much bigger pay cheque instead to have the Ortiz bout televised by Showtime, because that network won’t televise a Wilder-Stiverne rematch?

[digzee]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

No, it was a good analogy. Why make a fight with Oritz if he knew he was on PED's?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

No, it was a good analogy. Why make a fight with Oritz if he knew he was on PED's?

Exactly, record setting day for ignore.

[Badhusker]

I am amazed the amount of idiots that blame Wilder for an opponent failing a drug test. A true sign of stupidity.

[Badhusker]

The very fact it was predicted by most of us months ago, tells it's own story.

Too fvcking easy. Set up your cash cow against a tough opponent, so he gets credit for once again challenging a strong contender (See Povetkin)
Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again
Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Boxrec spends months having a meltdown debating whether Ortiz was clean until we get distracted by the big talk of a summer showdown with AJ..... which falls through when AJ gets caught on steroids

Boxrec - "Of course AJ was a roidhead, look at his build....."
Wilder - "Is Bryant Jennings available? No? Whats Derric Roosy's phone number?"

Thanks Davie, you saved me a lot of venting. Pretty much wot you said.

You, Davie, and anyone else that agrees with you are fornicating idiots. WTF, I thought this board had some smarter people on it. Not sure if I can read on...

[Badhusker]

Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you fornicating moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

[caldo2025]

Are you guys kidding me? Ortiz can't even get by his first drug test so we blame Wilder for it? Let's be fair here. Wilder signed on to fight two KNOWN PED abusers and while these PED abusers were getting ready for their biggest fight of their career, they went back to the needle for an unfair edge. Ortiz and Povetkin were caught using well before Wilder got in the picture so let's use our heads here.

We aren't talking about Floyd here with Wilder. Wilder doesn't have the money or the command over the sport to be able to mastermind these types of covert Steroid stings with potential opponents that may threaten his title. THIS is what happens in Boxing when you sign on to fight one of these known PEDdlers...you end up wasting your prime training for fights that never happen. Let's put the blame where it belongs here...one person is keeping this fight in limbo and its not Wilder. Let's not blame the clean guy. Ridiculous.

Wilder is pushed and marketed as the undefeated US hw champ KO machine(only bums). The big stake is the fight with AJ which means a lot of money. If Wilder would fight real threats(Povetkin,Ortiz,Whyte) and lose or look bad in those fights his drawing power would drop significantly which means less interest! I really, really doubt that Ortiz and Povetkin started to take peds knowing they will get tested and risk their chance to become champions! Also when your opponent gets caught on something illegal , people will start hating him and look at him like a cheat... and not look at Wilder as a very protected 'bum beater'.

I think most people agree that Wilder isn't half as good or accomplished as he thinks he is and his resume is better suited on a roll next to my shitttter. So he's not fooling anyone at all. I'm sure he's sick of hearing about who he's NOT FIGHTING so his next fight will be a quality.

But if he goes and sues Ortiz for $6m and wins like he did to Povetkin than I'll be sharing ur view.

HOW MUCH DID THESE BOXERS MESS UP THE HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION AGAIN? we finally had interesting matchups and nothing. No one is fighting. Idiots just leaving money in the safe and running away with bags of loose change

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wilder is a pbc fighter and none of them, past Robert Guerrero, get what they want. Anyone who has ever talked to wilder knows what he wants. Or he should be in Hollywood.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder is a pbc fighter and none of them, past Robert Guerrero, get what they want. Anyone who has ever talked to wilder knows what he wants. Or he should be in Hollywood.

All of Al Haymon's stable seem to appreciate him. Even during the GBP lawsuit, none of his current or former fighters could corroborate De La Hoya's allegations.

I'll give you an example, Artur Beterbiev is guaranteed to receive a minimum $250K pay cheque for every fight he competes in... and there aren't any non-heavyweight non-Haymon non-world champions (excl. former titleholders) that are capable of commanding those sums

[gilgamesh]

Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

I didn't accuse Wilder of any foul play, I just said that once again he conveniently has an excuse not to fight a Top 10 opponent, and once again he won't...for a long time.

[gilgamesh]

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

[Best Coast]

Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

I didn't accuse Wilder of any foul play, I just said that once again he conveniently has an excuse not to fight a Top 10 opponent, and once again he won't...for a long time.

Dont think you are one of the ones blaming the victim though many here are.

But the PED dependence of guys like Povetkin & Ortiz sure are enhancing Wilder's do-nothing agenda!!

[gilgamesh]

Dont think you are one of the ones blaming the victim though many here are.

But the PED dependence of guys like Povetkin & Ortiz sure are enhancing Wilder's do-nothing agenda!!

It's definitely frustrating, and it annoys me that we'll still keep hearing the names Povetkin and Ortiz for a while. Once guys blow a big fight like this by pissing hot I'd prefer they just f*ck off, and never come back. Especially once they've popped hot more than once...which both Ortiz and Povetkin have.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

[gilgamesh]

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

Will you still be defending him 3 fights from now when the only Top 10 ranked opponents he's ever faced is STILL Bermane Stiverne?

At least he'll have fought him twice by then...in all likelihood...although he's not Top 10 anymore for the 2nd fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

Will you still be defending him 3 fights from now when the only Top 10 ranked opponents he's ever faced is STILL Bermane Stiverne?

At least he'll have fought him twice by then...in all likelihood...although he's not Top 10 anymore for the 2nd fight.

I've never defended his resume. You've lost your mind. Sad

[gilgamesh]

Haven't lost my mind. Just defending myself from being called a troll when I tell it like it is.

[Best Coast]

Dont think you are one of the ones blaming the victim though many here are.

But the PED dependence of guys like Povetkin & Ortiz sure are enhancing Wilder's do-nothing agenda!!

It's definitely frustrating, and it annoys me that we'll still keep hearing the names Povetkin and Ortiz for a while. Once guys blow a big fight like this by pissing hot I'd prefer they just f*ck off, and never come back. Especially once they've popped hot more than once...which both Ortiz and Povetkin have.

The drug-testing agencies need to come up with a limit. 2-strike policy or 3-strike policy!!

[KiwiRider]

Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I] naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

Yeah, that's PIES not PEDS

[Ilya Muromets]

Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I] naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

Yeah, that's PIES not PEDS

Ha ha!...and that's supposed to say sheister doctor not "shelter doctor"...freaking spell check!

[asdfjkl]

Meldonium is like an aspirine in Russia and eastern Europe, and he had such an uncredebly low amount of it left in his body 8 months after he took it, that nowadays, now Wada is actually a tiny bit more educated, they wouldn't dven mention it. Also note that Povetkin never took Ostarine, wada simply screwed up again. Wilder then simply waited till the lab wasn't suspended any more and now yet again everything happens exactly like I predicted for months and months in a row.


Ortiz also never failed two tests before this predicted story happened. Suggesting he did is simply a plain big lie from you.

[diddy]

VADA is to boxing what USADA is to UFC. Far too effective at catching cheaters. I cringe at the thought of how many boxers would be failing tests if VADA was more affordable and more readily used.

Ortiz is almost 50 friggin yrs old and Cuban. Of course he’s doping.

[asdfjkl]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

Ortiz isn't to blame, he did nothing wrong.

[asdfjkl]

I am amazed the amount of idiots that blame Wilder for an opponent failing a drug test. A true sign of stupidity.

Ahw, you're such a sad sad silly actor, I predicted this schedule months and months beforehand and you responded saying I should stop making such predictions while I predicted it almost perfectly correct months and months beforehand and now you say this?
Wow mate, how sad can you be?!