Heavyweight boxers shape

[Cent0089]

Just watched Briedis - Perez weigh in. IMO Perez was not a small heavyweight or fat heavyweight. 230-240 pounds of solid muscles. If this m an can do 197 pounds, i believe that at least 50% of heavyweight boxers can fight at cruiserweight limit. Too bad cruiserweight division is not more popular, hopefully this world boxing series change that.

[BitPlayer]

Chirs Byrd looks better than a lot of heavyweights, and he's probably naturally a S.Middle.

Hell how many look atleast as bad as James Toney at heavyweight?

[Kalan]

Not too many good ones... Toney was one of the fattest and worst looking top Heavyweights I've ever seen... Maybe Buster Mathis looked worse at 280

[BitPlayer]

Not too many good ones... Toney was one of the fattest and worst looking top Heavyweights I've ever seen... Maybe Buster Mathis looked worse at 280

Depends at what point, he looked much worse at some times than others

[soulboy]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

[BitPlayer]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

Having very low bodyfat isn't being conditioned. A good conditioned fighter is one that can maintain high workrate over the distance.

[pablothunder]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

Having very low bodyfat isn't being conditioned. A good conditioned fighter is one that can maintain high workrate over the distance.

Exactly. In my line of work, gym guys come in all the time looking impressive, and they all drop off like flies. Stamina is always overlooked and doesn't necessarily require a glamorous form.

[Tarkus]

First of all Perez was quite fat. Second, so far all we know is that he makes CW limit. It remains to be seen if he can perform at high level as CW. I dont see many good current heavies that can make CW limit. Probably Povetkin is the only one.

[jezzamundo]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

Having very low bodyfat isn't being conditioned. A good conditioned fighter is one that can maintain high workrate over the distance.

This, most chiseled does not equal best conditioned. Tim Witherspoon had manboobs when he fought Bruno, but clearly was the better conditioned athlete. Tyson Fury was well conditioned too, despite looking unimpressive.

[Enlightened-One]

Heavyweight boxers shape

Just watched Briedis - Perez weigh in. IMO Perez was not a small heavyweight or fat heavyweight. 230-240 pounds of solid muscles. If this m an can do 197 pounds, i believe that at least 50% of heavyweight boxers can fight at cruiserweight limit. Too bad cruiserweight division is not more popular, hopefully this world boxing series change that.

I submitted a post about this matter (back in February) and argued that Larry Holmes was pretty much the same size and maybe even smaller than today’s cruiserweights, whilst arguing that he was significantly “smaller” than the modern-day equivalent of today’s heavyweights.

Here’s what I wrote (after gathering the stats of the top 60 heavyweights ranked by BoxRec):

Can you name one fighter ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight list, barring Eddie Chambers, that typically weighs less than 220lbs?

Can you name more than ten currently active heavyweight fighters ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 that typically weigh less than 230lbs?

Can you name 15 or more heavyweight fighters in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight fighter list that are shorter than 6’ 3”?

The 6’ 3” Larry Holmes’ average weight at his physical prime, for the first 39 bouts of his career, was 207½lbs. Over the equivalent time period, his opponents typically weighed 211½lbs.

Using BoxRec’s current top 60 heavyweight list:
• 63.5% of heavyweights are taller than Larry Holmes
• 100% of heavyweights typically weigh more than Larry Holmes' average 207½lb physical prime weight
• 42% of fighters are taller than 6’ 4” in height
• 77% of fighters typically weigh around the 240lb-mark or more
• 45% of fighters typically weigh around the 250lb-mark or more
• 20% of fighters typically weigh around the 260lb-mark or more
• The average weight of a top 60 heavyweight fighter is 247lbs

It’s also fairly easy to argue that rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights are highly-likely to be of a similar size to the 207½lb prime version of Larry Holmes:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

It is also reasonable to claim that when Larry Holmes was in his prime, from 1973 to 1982, the vast majority of the time, he competed against men that were the physical equivalent of modern day cruiserweights.

Here's another similar post that elaborates on the current size of heavyweights that is particularly pertinent to the topic of this thread:

George Foreman’s mathematical average weight was 217lbs from the start of his career through until the end of 1973. He was 217.5lbs when he faced Joe Frazier in 1973. He was 6’ 3.5” in height.

George Foreman’s height and weight in 1973 meant that his general size was almost certainly comparable to rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

This stance could be strengthened further if we looked at the size of cruiserweights that competed five to ten years ago (i.e. such as rehydrated versions of Guillermo Jones, David Haye, Enzo Maccarinelli, Steve Cunningham etc.).

Now it should be abundantly clear to deduce that the 1973 version of George Foreman would have had to endure a massive size disadvantage when competing against the current crop of world-rated heavyweights… and we’re talking a few inches in height and approx. 30lbs in weight:
• Tyson Fury = 265lbs; 6' 9"
• Wladimir Klitschko = 245lbs; 6' 6"
• Deontay Wilder = 228lbs; 6' 7"
• Kubrat Pulev = 253lbs; 6' 4.5"
• Luis Ortiz = 241lbs; 6' 4"
• Anthony Joshua = 249lbs; 6' 6"
• Joseph Parker = 246lbs; 6' 4"

From the start of his career through until 1973, the average George Foreman opponent was typically 6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark...

Therefore, you are wrong to claim that 50% of modern heavyweights can compete effectively as cruiserweights.

[jezzamundo]

Just watched Briedis - Perez weigh in. IMO Perez was not a small heavyweight or fat heavyweight. 230-240 pounds of solid muscles. If this m an can do 197 pounds, i believe that at least 50% of heavyweight boxers can fight at cruiserweight limit. Too bad cruiserweight division is not more popular, hopefully this world boxing series change that.

I would disagree and say that Perez was both a small and a fat heavyweight. He looked a bit soft at 230lb and downright fat at 240lb. If he were to remain at heavyweight, I actually think his best fighting weight would be around 215lb, where he would have better stamina, while retaining the speed advantage he has over most heavyweights.

[jezzamundo]

Heavyweight boxers shape

Just watched Briedis - Perez weigh in. IMO Perez was not a small heavyweight or fat heavyweight. 230-240 pounds of solid muscles. If this m an can do 197 pounds, i believe that at least 50% of heavyweight boxers can fight at cruiserweight limit. Too bad cruiserweight division is not more popular, hopefully this world boxing series change that.

I submitted a post about this matter (back in February) and argued that Larry Holmes was pretty much the same size and maybe even smaller than today’s cruiserweights, whilst arguing that he was significantly “smaller” than the modern-day equivalent of today’s heavyweights.

Here’s what I wrote (after gathering the stats of the top 60 heavyweights ranked by BoxRec):

Can you name one fighter ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight list, barring Eddie Chambers, that typically weighs less than 220lbs?

Can you name more than ten currently active heavyweight fighters ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 that typically weigh less than 230lbs?

Can you name 15 or more heavyweight fighters in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight fighter list that are shorter than 6’ 3”?

The 6’ 3” Larry Holmes’ average weight at his physical prime, for the first 39 bouts of his career, was 207½lbs. Over the equivalent time period, his opponents typically weighed 211½lbs.

Using BoxRec’s current top 60 heavyweight list:
• 63.5% of heavyweights are taller than Larry Holmes
• 100% of heavyweights typically weigh more than Larry Holmes' average 207½lb physical prime weight
• 42% of fighters are taller than 6’ 4” in height
• 77% of fighters typically weigh around the 240lb-mark or more
• 45% of fighters typically weigh around the 250lb-mark or more
• 20% of fighters typically weigh around the 260lb-mark or more
• The average weight of a top 60 heavyweight fighter is 247lbs

It’s also fairly easy to argue that rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights are highly-likely to be of a similar size to the 207½lb prime version of Larry Holmes:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

It is also reasonable to claim that when Larry Holmes was in his prime, from 1973 to 1982, the vast majority of the time, he competed against men that were the physical equivalent of modern day cruiserweights.

Here's another similar post that elaborates on the current size of heavyweights that is particularly pertinent to the topic of this thread:

George Foreman’s mathematical average weight was 217lbs from the start of his career through until the end of 1973. He was 217.5lbs when he faced Joe Frazier in 1973. He was 6’ 3.5” in height.

George Foreman’s height and weight in 1973 meant that his general size was almost certainly comparable to rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

This stance could be strengthened further if we looked at the size of cruiserweights that competed five to ten years ago (i.e. such as rehydrated versions of Guillermo Jones, David Haye, Enzo Maccarinelli, Steve Cunningham etc.).

Now it should be abundantly clear to deduce that the 1973 version of George Foreman would have had to endure a massive size disadvantage when competing against the current crop of world-rated heavyweights… and we’re talking a few inches in height and approx. 30lbs in weight:
• Tyson Fury = 265lbs; 6' 9"
• Wladimir Klitschko = 245lbs; 6' 6"
• Deontay Wilder = 228lbs; 6' 7"
• Kubrat Pulev = 253lbs; 6' 4.5"
• Luis Ortiz = 241lbs; 6' 4"
• Anthony Joshua = 249lbs; 6' 6"
• Joseph Parker = 246lbs; 6' 4"

From the start of his career through until 1973, the average George Foreman opponent was typically 6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark...

Therefore, you are wrong to claim that 50% of modern heavyweights can compete effectively as cruiserweights.

I agree - 50% is too high, but there are many heavyweights who probably could compete at cruiserweight and many who have. The fact that Povetkin has been a Top 5 heavyweights for about a decade - not to mention the successes of Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, David Haye, Eddie Chambers, David Tua, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Ruslan Chagaev and others - proves that those saying the champions of old couldn't compete with today's giants couldn't be more wrong.

[tobyh5]

Lets ignore the elephant in the room which is that a high percentage of modern fighters have an interesting "supplement" regime so actual true natural weight is unknown

[Heretic]

Heavyweight boxers shape

Just watched Briedis - Perez weigh in. IMO Perez was not a small heavyweight or fat heavyweight. 230-240 pounds of solid muscles. If this m an can do 197 pounds, i believe that at least 50% of heavyweight boxers can fight at cruiserweight limit. Too bad cruiserweight division is not more popular, hopefully this world boxing series change that.

I submitted a post about this matter (back in February) and argued that Larry Holmes was pretty much the same size and maybe even smaller than today’s cruiserweights, whilst arguing that he was significantly “smaller” than the modern-day equivalent of today’s heavyweights.

Here’s what I wrote (after gathering the stats of the top 60 heavyweights ranked by BoxRec):

Can you name one fighter ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight list, barring Eddie Chambers, that typically weighs less than 220lbs?

Can you name more than ten currently active heavyweight fighters ranked in BoxRec’s top 60 that typically weigh less than 230lbs?

Can you name 15 or more heavyweight fighters in BoxRec’s top 60 heavyweight fighter list that are shorter than 6’ 3”?

The 6’ 3” Larry Holmes’ average weight at his physical prime, for the first 39 bouts of his career, was 207½lbs. Over the equivalent time period, his opponents typically weighed 211½lbs.

Using BoxRec’s current top 60 heavyweight list:
• 63.5% of heavyweights are taller than Larry Holmes
• 100% of heavyweights typically weigh more than Larry Holmes' average 207½lb physical prime weight
• 42% of fighters are taller than 6’ 4” in height
• 77% of fighters typically weigh around the 240lb-mark or more
• 45% of fighters typically weigh around the 250lb-mark or more
• 20% of fighters typically weigh around the 260lb-mark or more
• The average weight of a top 60 heavyweight fighter is 247lbs

It’s also fairly easy to argue that rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights are highly-likely to be of a similar size to the 207½lb prime version of Larry Holmes:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

It is also reasonable to claim that when Larry Holmes was in his prime, from 1973 to 1982, the vast majority of the time, he competed against men that were the physical equivalent of modern day cruiserweights.

Here's another similar post that elaborates on the current size of heavyweights that is particularly pertinent to the topic of this thread:

George Foreman’s mathematical average weight was 217lbs from the start of his career through until the end of 1973. He was 217.5lbs when he faced Joe Frazier in 1973. He was 6’ 3.5” in height.

George Foreman’s height and weight in 1973 meant that his general size was almost certainly comparable to rehydrated versions of the following modern day world-rated cruiserweights:
• Oleksandr Usyk
• Murat Gassiev
• Tony Bellew
• Marco Huck
• Yunier Dorticos

This stance could be strengthened further if we looked at the size of cruiserweights that competed five to ten years ago (i.e. such as rehydrated versions of Guillermo Jones, David Haye, Enzo Maccarinelli, Steve Cunningham etc.).

Now it should be abundantly clear to deduce that the 1973 version of George Foreman would have had to endure a massive size disadvantage when competing against the current crop of world-rated heavyweights… and we’re talking a few inches in height and approx. 30lbs in weight:
• Tyson Fury = 265lbs; 6' 9"
• Wladimir Klitschko = 245lbs; 6' 6"
• Deontay Wilder = 228lbs; 6' 7"
• Kubrat Pulev = 253lbs; 6' 4.5"
• Luis Ortiz = 241lbs; 6' 4"
• Anthony Joshua = 249lbs; 6' 6"
• Joseph Parker = 246lbs; 6' 4"

From the start of his career through until 1973, the average George Foreman opponent was typically 6’ 0” in height, weighing around the 206lbs mark...

Therefore, you are wrong to claim that 50% of modern heavyweights can compete effectively as cruiserweights.

Holy shit I actually agree with something that EO wrote. Scary

[Heretic]

I feel like many of you are mixing up combat sport with beauty contest.

The weight doesn't really matter if you get the job done. It might even help. Harder to push around and it gives some protection to the body.

Too much muscles will only slow you down and burn huge amounts of oxygen which will lead to stamina issues.

Every boxer is different and they and their trainers need to find what works best for them.

But as always the forum warriors know the best

[BitPlayer]

Here's a crazy one
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/368020

Used to fight at over 200lbs, but last fought at 140lbs.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

Holyfield

[tiny_acres]

Bruno and Joshua gotta be the 2 best heavys condition wise...id say Tyson Fury and half the Eastern European roadsweepers are the worse conditoned

Holyfield

Good call on Holyfield. You can add Ken Norton and Mike Weaver to the list

[Lackeos]

Mike Perez is 6' 1". You can't just claim that 97% of heavyweights can make the same weight as Perez when like half of the division is 6' 3" or taller. Probably at least 14% of the division is 6' 5" or taller. So how the hell are all of them supposed to come down to the same weight as Mike Perez? You want them to just be super skinny like Diego Corrales, Thomas Oosthuizen, and Ali Funeka? What would even be the point of that? The heavyweight division has historically been the better-paying division, so you're basically taking a pay cut by dropping down to cruiserweight. Of the few heavyweights who've done it, most of them were finished and needed a gimmick to get another decent payday.

[Lackeos]

Here's a crazy one
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/368020

Used to fight at over 200lbs, but last fought at 140lbs.

Remarkably dropped all of that weight between August 2016 and July 2017.

[Enlightened-One]

Here's a crazy one
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/368020

Used to fight at over 200lbs, but last fought at 140lbs.

Remarkably dropped all of that weight between August 2016 and July 2017.

Isn’t one of Deontay Wilder’s victims the polar opposite of this guy? Damon McCreary started his career weighing only 166lbs, entered the ring against ‘The Bronze Bomber’ weighing 262¼lbs and later on in his career, he was a whopping 272½lbs?

[candyslim]

The curse of being 'big-boned'

[Ruthless-RKO]

Here's a crazy one
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/368020

Used to fight at over 200lbs, but last fought at 140lbs.

Remarkably dropped all of that weight between August 2016 and July 2017.

Isn’t one of Deontay Wilder’s victims the polar opposite of this guy? Damon McCreary started his career weighing only 162lbs, entered the ring against ‘The Bronze Bomber’ weighing 229lbs and only one year after suffering a second round KO loss to the current WBC world champion, the very next time he entered the ring, he was a whopping 322½lbs?

Doesn't say he weighed over 300lbs..


But another Wilder victim Dustin Nichols has had his weight change more than i can think.. constantly up and down.

[Enlightened-One]

Remarkably dropped all of that weight between August 2016 and July 2017.

Isn’t one of Deontay Wilder’s victims the polar opposite of this guy? Damon McCreary started his career weighing only 166lbs, entered the ring against ‘The Bronze Bomber’ weighing 262¼lbs and later on in his career, he was a whopping 272½lbs?

Doesn't say he weighed over 300lbs..


But another Wilder victim Dustin Nichols has had his weight change more than i can think.. constantly up and down.

You're right, I fúckéd up! I’ve corrected my post accordingly.

He went from 166lbs to 272½lbs.

I have to admit, the fellow you mentioned, with his weight fluctuating rapidly between 450lbs to 320lbs is pretty astonishing... and I'm a little surprised that Deontay was even allowed to share the ring with someone like that.

[candyslim]

That's it isn't it. Huge muscles might look impressive and something to be coveted, but they aren't really a friend to the fighter. Bruno is a case in point. He might have looked awesome but was blowing out of his arse after 6 rounds or so. That massive physique sucks up oxygen like a 7 litre V8 sucks up gasoline.