How the f$#K everytime Wilder has to fight a solid opponent, that opponent fails the drug test ?? It's very fishy!

[Taansend]

Meldonium is like an aspirine in Russia and eastern Europe, and he had such an uncredebly low amount of it left in his body 8 months after he took it, that nowadays, now Wada is actually a tiny bit more educated, they wouldn't dven mention it. Also note that Povetkin never took Ostarine, wada simply screwed up again. Wilder then simply waited till the lab wasn't suspended any more and now yet again everything happens exactly like I predicted for months and months in a row.

Ortiz also never failed two tests before this predicted story happened. Suggesting he did is simply a plain big lie from you.

Just to let you all know, this idiot asdwanker has never actually watched a live boxing match & thinks that Dillian Whyte is a coward.

Draw your own conclusions from that

[asdfjkl]

Are you guys kidding me? Ortiz can't even get by his first drug test so we blame Wilder for it? Let's be fair here. Wilder signed on to fight two KNOWN PED abusers and while these PED abusers were getting ready for their biggest fight of their career, they went back to the needle for an unfair edge. Ortiz and Povetkin were caught using well before Wilder got in the picture so let's use our heads here.

We aren't talking about Floyd here with Wilder. Wilder doesn't have the money or the command over the sport to be able to mastermind these types of covert Steroid stings with potential opponents that may threaten his title. THIS is what happens in Boxing when you sign on to fight one of these known PEDdlers...you end up wasting your prime training for fights that never happen. Let's put the blame where it belongs here...one person is keeping this fight in limbo and its not Wilder. Let's not blame the clean guy. Ridiculous.

I'm sorry? This fight was no way near Povetkin his biggest match ever, probably not even a quarter as big. On top of that, Povetkin turned out to be innocent, TWICE! Ortiz already showed what eally happened.

[asdfjkl]

Meldonium is like an aspirine in Russia and eastern Europe, and he had such an uncredebly low amount of it left in his body 8 months after he took it, that nowadays, now Wada is actually a tiny bit more educated, they wouldn't dven mention it. Also note that Povetkin never took Ostarine, wada simply screwed up again. Wilder then simply waited till the lab wasn't suspended any more and now yet again everything happens exactly like I predicted for months and months in a row.

Ortiz also never failed two tests before this predicted story happened. Suggesting he did is simply a plain big lie from you.

Just to let you all know, this idiot asdwanker has never actually watched a live boxing match & thinks that Dillian Whyte is a coward.

Draw your own conclusions from that

Dillian Whyte could have fought Mansour, which would help him a lot getting the WBC title, but he chickened out, according to Mansour. Also note that the known numbers and facts proof Mansour right. All the other things you said are just plain lies, you may check the facts if you like to.

[gilgamesh]

The people acting as if it's somehow Wilder's fault that Povetkin and Ortiz failed their test are ridiculous.

There's plenty of reason to criticize Wilder, and there'll continue to be...but that ain't one of 'em.

[BitPlayer]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

No, it was a good analogy. Why make a fight with Oritz if he knew he was on PED's?

Knowing someone is doing something bad, but only speaking out after they've been caught is totally different from provoking someone then hiding.

There's all sorts of reasons to just play along, maybe the evidence they had wasn't strong enough, just accusing him and pulling out would cuse them all sorts of legal issues.

[apollo creed]

The big yellow coward should fight Ortiz anyway.

The whole scam was probably a set up, a transparent fraud show to try to make Wilder look tough and brave. Knowing he was ever going to fight Ortiz ever anyway.

Haymon is known for these kind of fake publicity stunts. Get ready for the next Wilder vs a patsy diver.

[davie]

The very fact it was predicted by most of us months ago, tells it's own story.

Too fvcking easy. Set up your cash cow against a tough opponent, so he gets credit for once again challenging a strong contender (See Povetkin)
Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again
Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Boxrec spends months having a meltdown debating whether Ortiz was clean until we get distracted by the big talk of a summer showdown with AJ..... which falls through when AJ gets caught on steroids

Boxrec - "Of course AJ was a roidhead, look at his build....."
Wilder - "Is Bryant Jennings available? No? Whats Derric Roosy's phone number?"

Thanks Davie, you saved me a lot of venting. Pretty much wot you said.

You, Davie, and anyone else that agrees with you are effing idiots. WTF, I thought this board had some smarter people on it. Not sure if I can read on...

Ortiz has gone 6 fights since last getting caught. Nothing has been picked up in that time.
Yet we knew, absolutely KNEW that he was going to get caught now. Are we psychic? Or did we just smell something fishy
Is Ortiz a complete idiot? Did he not know the history of dangerous Wilder opponents, did he not know that he would be strenuously tested and put under the closest scrutiny? Why would he be so stupid as to have taken anything in the lead-up to this fight... knowing Wilders history with the likes of Povetkin.
So either Ortiz is really fvcking dumb and thought it was worth the risk of jeopardising his biggest pay day or there's something fishy about Wilder, his team and their links to the VADA guys who keep catching his opponents (But strangely not catching easy meat like Molina, Arreola or Duhaupas???)

We all knew the fight wasn't going to happen, we all knew they were going to find something on Ortiz.
We were right but we are all effin idiots?

[apollo creed]

Probably Wilder wants to fight a 100% true clean opponent like Charles Martin! Now I get why Wilder only fought bums. It's because those bums couldn't afford good peds and masking agents.

[apollo creed]

He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Also he said this when the fight was announced:

“I would’ve been up for that challenge years ago, when we first brought this up,” Wilder said Wednesday during a press conference to officially announce their fight. “But we already know what happened. So this time, Luis Ortiz, don’t f*** it up! Stay clean, because we’ll be checking. Stay clean. Don’t f***this up for me, nor you, because I’m gonna prove to the world that I am the best.”
“I pray to God that don’t happen,” Wilder said. “That’s a big concern of mines. But if he do [take PEDs], I will know. I’ve got people all over the world. If he do, I will know if he’s cheating. I will know if he’s doing PEDs. A lot of these guys in the heavyweight division does it. They don’t even know. They don’t even know. I know. I know. But I ain’t here to rat ‘em out. @b.scene

Like he knew what it's going to happen....

[apollo creed]

Wilder is a fraud using it as an excuse to duck. One month to the fight, WBC keeps him off steroids for the next month, the fight can still go on. Wilder doens't want any. He wants another patsy diver. Total f***** hoax.

Charles Martin or Stiverne are good boys.

[Enlightened-One]

Dillian Whyte could have fought Mansour, which would help him a lot getting the WBC title, but he chickened out, according to Mansour. Also note that the known numbers and facts proof Mansour right. All the other things you said are just plain lies, you may check the facts if you like to.

Stop talking pure utter fûckîng bûllshît!

I have already provided all of the facts of this situation, but for some fûckïng bizarre reason, you prefer to believe your own ludicrous day dreams.

A fight between Mansour and Whyte was never a realistic proposition.

Do you really need me to resurrect and resubmit a lengthy "War and Peace" style post that details multiple reasons why your claim is fûckîng stupid, whilst bearing absolutely no relation whatsoever to reality? FFS!

Please... please... please challenge me on this!

[asdfjkl]

Dillian Whyte could have fought Mansour, which would help him a lot getting the WBC title, but he chickened out, according to Mansour. Also note that the known numbers and facts proof Mansour right. All the other things you said are just plain lies, you may check the facts if you like to.

Stop talking pure utter fûckîng bûllshît!

I have already provided all of the facts of this situation, but for some fûckïng bizarre reason, you prefer to believe your own ludicrous day dreams.

A fight between Mansour and Whyte was never a realistic proposition.

Do you really need me to resurrect and resubmit a lengthy "War and Peace" style post that details multiple reasons why your claim is fûckîng stupid, whilst bearing absolutely no relation whatsoever to reality? FFS!

Please... please... please challenge me on this!

Oh right, a fight between him and Malcolm Tann was far more realistic :S?!
Whyte simply didn't want to take any risk, that's oké, but then admit that. Mansour would have been much better competition.

[Enlightened-One]

Dillian Whyte could have fought Mansour, which would help him a lot getting the WBC title, but he chickened out, according to Mansour. Also note that the known numbers and facts proof Mansour right. All the other things you said are just plain lies, you may check the facts if you like to.

Stop talking pure utter fûckîng bûllshît!

I have already provided all of the facts of this situation, but for some fûckïng bizarre reason, you prefer to believe your own ludicrous day dreams.

A fight between Mansour and Whyte was never a realistic proposition.

Do you really need me to resurrect and resubmit a lengthy "War and Peace" style post that details multiple reasons why your claim is fûckîng stupid, whilst bearing absolutely no relation whatsoever to reality? FFS!

Please... please... please challenge me on this!

Oh right, a fight between him and Malcolm Tann was far more realistic :S?!
Whyte simply didn't want to take any risk, that's oké, but then admit that. Mansour would have been much better competition.

Post your alleged "facts and numbers", which you claim to posses that supports your fûckîng stupid theory and let's go to battle on this.

You're about to get you ass whooped... AGAIN!

We've already gone to battle on this and I kicked your ass before and you even admitted to not having any proof whatsoever. You even backtracked about some of your claims.

So it seems that you're not only deluded, but you're also a liar!

Come kid, step up to the plate and post your alleged "facts and numbers" that you believe is compelling and irrefutable evidence that supports your stûpîd claim? Prove me wrong. Prove to everyone that you're not talking complete and utter bûllshît!

[candyslim]

The very fact it was predicted by most of us months ago, tells it's own story.

Too fvcking easy. Set up your cash cow against a tough opponent, so he gets credit for once again challenging a strong contender (See Povetkin)
Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again
Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Boxrec spends months having a meltdown debating whether Ortiz was clean until we get distracted by the big talk of a summer showdown with AJ..... which falls through when AJ gets caught on steroids

Boxrec - "Of course AJ was a roidhead, look at his build....."
Wilder - "Is Bryant Jennings available? No? Whats Derric Roosy's phone number?"

Whether you think that accurately depicts the way it works, whether you are undecided, or whether you are one of those who refuse to even consider the possibility, that is a damn good post.

Despite being one of those who called it months ago, I had come around to believing that Wilder really did want this fight. Genuine question: "Does Wilder have the right to insist on the fight going ahead anyway with his title at stake? Waive his rights so to speak."

If the fight took place regardless, then nobody would be pointing any fingers at Wilder or his patrons. If it doesn't then the smell of fish will continue to linger in the nostrils of those who believe they can detect it.

[asdfjkl]

Stop talking pure utter fûckîng bûllshît!

I have already provided all of the facts of this situation, but for some fûckïng bizarre reason, you prefer to believe your own ludicrous day dreams.

A fight between Mansour and Whyte was never a realistic proposition.

Do you really need me to resurrect and resubmit a lengthy "War and Peace" style post that details multiple reasons why your claim is fûckîng stupid, whilst bearing absolutely no relation whatsoever to reality? FFS!

Please... please... please challenge me on this!

Oh right, a fight between him and Malcolm Tann was far more realistic :S?!
Whyte simply didn't want to take any risk, that's oké, but then admit that. Mansour would have been much better competition.

Post your alleged "facts and numbers", which you claim to posses that supports your fûckîng stupid theory and let's go to battle on this.

You're about to get you ass whooped... AGAIN!

We've already gone to battle on this and I kicked your ass before and you even admitted to not having any proof whatsoever. You even backtracked about some of your claims.

So it seems that you're not only deluded, but you're also a liar!

Come kid, step up to the plate and post your alleged "facts and numbers" that you believe is compelling and irrefutable evidence that supports your stûpîd claim? Prove me wrong. Prove to everyone that you're not talking complete and utter bûllshît!

I have already done you're the one who claims all kind of utter bullshit and continues to act like it isn't true.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... it=mansour

Despite I got accused from all kind of bullshit, I still proved all of them wrong.

[Enlightened-One]

Oh right, a fight between him and Malcolm Tann was far more realistic :S?!
Whyte simply didn't want to take any risk, that's oké, but then admit that. Mansour would have been much better competition.

Post your alleged "facts and numbers", which you claim to posses that supports your fûckîng stupid theory and let's go to battle on this.

You're about to get you ass whooped... AGAIN!

We've already gone to battle on this and I kicked your ass before and you even admitted to not having any proof whatsoever. You even backtracked about some of your claims.

So it seems that you're not only deluded, but you're also a liar!

Come kid, step up to the plate and post your alleged "facts and numbers" that you believe is compelling and irrefutable evidence that supports your stûpîd claim? Prove me wrong. Prove to everyone that you're not talking complete and utter bûllshît!

I have already done you're the one who claims all kind of utter bullshit and continues to act like it isn't true.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... it=mansour

Despite I got accused from all kind of bullshit, I still proved all of them wrong.

Thanks for posting a link to the very thread where I made an absolute mockery of your claims.

By the way, you didn't cite any "facts and numbers" or any sort of compelling evidence to support your claims made in this thread, so you lied didn't you?

Come clean now, you can't pretend something happened that didn't?

[asdfjkl]

Post your alleged "facts and numbers", which you claim to posses that supports your fûckîng stupid theory and let's go to battle on this.

You're about to get you ass whooped... AGAIN!

We've already gone to battle on this and I kicked your ass before and you even admitted to not having any proof whatsoever. You even backtracked about some of your claims.

So it seems that you're not only deluded, but you're also a liar!

Come kid, step up to the plate and post your alleged "facts and numbers" that you believe is compelling and irrefutable evidence that supports your stûpîd claim? Prove me wrong. Prove to everyone that you're not talking complete and utter bûllshît!

I have already done you're the one who claims all kind of utter bullshit and continues to act like it isn't true.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... it=mansour

Despite I got accused from all kind of bullshit, I still proved all of them wrong.

Thanks for posting a link to the very thread where I made an absolute mockery of your claims.

By the way, you didn't cite any "facts and numbers" or any sort of compelling evidence to support your claims made in this thread, so you lied didn't you?

Come clean now, you can't pretend something happened that didn't?

Is Malcolm Tan even ranked at all? Even in this thread Mansour is still ranked 17, which is very odd, Mansour won fights and loses places, Stiverne is inactive and should have lost the decision and raises ranks?
Oh wait, I was proven right again.

[Enlightened-One]

I have already done you're the one who claims all kind of utter bullshit and continues to act like it isn't true.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... it=mansour

Despite I got accused from all kind of bullshit, I still proved all of them wrong.

Thanks for posting a link to the very thread where I made an absolute mockery of your claims.

By the way, you didn't cite any "facts and numbers" or any sort of compelling evidence to support your claims made in this thread, so you lied didn't you?

Come clean now, you can't pretend something happened that didn't?

Is Malcolm Tan even ranked at all? Even in this thread Mansour is still ranked 17, which is very odd, Mansour won fights and loses places, Stiverne is inactive and should have lost the decision and raises ranks?
Oh wait, I was proven right again.

Stop trying to employ red herring's. I won't allow you to use divsersionary tactics to distract people away from claims you made that you cannot substantiate.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

[asdfjkl]

Thanks for posting a link to the very thread where I made an absolute mockery of your claims.

By the way, you didn't cite any "facts and numbers" or any sort of compelling evidence to support your claims made in this thread, so you lied didn't you?

Come clean now, you can't pretend something happened that didn't?

Is Malcolm Tan even ranked at all? Even in this thread Mansour is still ranked 17, which is very odd, Mansour won fights and loses places, Stiverne is inactive and should have lost the decision and raises ranks?
Oh wait, I was proven right again.

Stop trying to employ red herring's.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

I just said you can read it in this topic! And you still deny it?! How retarded are you?

[Enlightened-One]

Is Malcolm Tan even ranked at all? Even in this thread Mansour is still ranked 17, which is very odd, Mansour won fights and loses places, Stiverne is inactive and should have lost the decision and raises ranks?
Oh wait, I was proven right again.

Stop trying to employ red herring's.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

I just said you can read it in this topic! And you still deny it?! How retarded are you?

Stop trying to employ red herring's. I won't allow you to use divsersionary tactics to distract people away from claims you made that you cannot substantiate.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

[asdfjkl]

Wilder carrying cars full of drugs, no problem, Stiverne got busted with all kind of drugs, even live in the act of taking it, no problem, drugs addict Arreola got busted again, no problem, Povetkin got accused wrongly, twice! Big problem! Ortiz doesn't do anything wrong, still big problem.


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p4699085
1 juli 2017:
Lab suspended, so Wilder can't schedule any fight and has to wait till the lab isn't suspended any more

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4701988
4 juli 2017:

He doesn't need to drop his title, but as long as the Nevada lab is suspended, he probably doesn't schedule any fight.

Did the WBC remove Stiverne as mandatory?

No ofcourse not, he would probably lose against anyone in the current top 25 from the WBC, but he's the mandatory without any fight against anyone in the WBC list since his loss against Wilder.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4708723
15 juli 2017:

You're pro-Povetkin rhetoric is boring. Change the record.

Then you ignore the Povetkin part, fact remains, the guy who's oh so active, always in shape, wants to unify the division, and all his other lies, simply remains inactive till that lab is opened isn't it?

You're pro-Povetkin rhetoric is boring. Change the record.

19 juli 2017:

Even I have to say, respect! Which I also gave him when he claimed to plan to go to fight Povetkin...

Ortiz is much bigger man with longer reach and extra lbs compare to Povetkin.

It will be even harder fight on the paper

I know, but last time Wilder found a trick how he could avoid a fight, now I know that Ortiz is a good boxer, but outside the ring he's just not that good in the political game. Because of this, I wouldn't be surprised if Wilder knows something we don't know yet, a fake dopingtest, or Ortiz can't fight because of the AJ lawsuit or something like that. I'm used to the fact that Wilder only challenges good boxers if he knows the fight won't happen.

I still hope he massively proves me wrong.

20 juli 2017
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=213424
I would have been very happy to get proven wrong, but sadly I was right again.

4 august 2017:

AJ already had no choice in this matter about 4 months ago lol.
It was either Klitschko or Pulev.
That's no excuse, nobody can duck a mandatory, unless your name is Deontay Wilder. When you're Deontay Wilder you can duck everyone you like and still keep your belt.

I wonder what Deontay Wilder his excuse will be to duck Ortiz actually. Or will that be Stiverne? Stiverne who he could have fought like 3 months ago?

12 august 2017:

It's at least remarkeble that they have a date scheduled and everything...

After 15 september Wilder his lab isn't suspended any more, so then Wilder can use all the doping he likes again, or fake dopingtests for whoever he's planning to fight but can't handle.

I don't think Wilder signs anything before 14 september, the day that the wada lab suspension in los angeles is over. Otherwise he might get tested for doping by a real lab. This is also why he hasn't done anything for such a long period of time all of a sudden.

Badhusker doesn't like reality around Wilder:
11 september 2017
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 5#p4745544

But then why is it not scheduled on boxrec? Because the lab in California that helped Stiverne and Wilder is still suspended because of all their "mistakes" around innocent Povetkin for example?

Can you just STFU about that unless you would show it has any truth to it? You re like a broken record.

"The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has suspended its accreditation of the UCLA UCLA Laboratory as it relates to analysis of specific prohibited substances, effective 14 June 2017 for a period of three months. The suspension of these analyses by the UCLA Laboratory -- which is located in Los Angeles, California, United States -- is a result of WADA’s quality assessment procedures that identified non-conformities with best practice."

But I gladly get proven wrong, please note that I already wrote this over two months ago:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4701971
And still didn't get proven wrong, despite this was politely asked several times.

In 4 days, or very soon after that, they will probably make the date official. It's all predicted a long long time ago and currently, everything seems to be predicted perfectly correct.


Also note that some sources write:
Sunday 5th November 2017 03:00
And they already wrote that over a month ago! Now how can they know that and if this is already known, then why don't they advert this in any way whatsoever?

13 september 2017
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... &p=4746726
Fight is now official!

I hope they still get tested today while that lab is still suspended, tomorrow that suspension is over and that lab can probably claim Wilder and Stiverne are innocent again. I hope Ortiz and Breazeale don't magically turn out to be doping users just a few days before the fights happen.

Sadly enough I was perfectly right, Wilder never planned to fight Ortiz and he knew this for a long long time already.

[caldo2025]

Good for Wilder! I hope he never steps into a ring with a known PED user. This is too dangerous a business to roll the dice. Don't you think that Cotto wished that he knew Marguarito had loaded wraps before their first fight? Cotto was never the same after that beating. Though I can't stand Wilder's little speeches, the guy is correct.

Ortiz missed the initial press conference for a reason...he was dirty. Everyone involved thought it was strange for him not to be there. Wilder is also correct about the reasoning behind Ortiz not filling in the details on the blood pressure medicine. Why would you NOT put it on the form?

Idiots that take this out on Wilder are just haters. The only reason why we all should have any sort of beef with Wilder is the choice of his to select another known PED user for this defense. If his "moles" are everywhere like he says then he probably knew before signing on to fight this guy. So? Why even do it?

[Covfefe]

Here's a recipe from the BBC about how to make the perfect beans on toast.

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/543 ... s-on-toast

[asdfjkl]

Stop trying to employ red herring's.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

I just said you can read it in this topic! And you still deny it?! How retarded are you?

Stop trying to employ red herring's. I won't allow you to use divsersionary tactics to distract people away from claims you made that you cannot substantiate.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

17 .- Amir Mansour (US) USNBC
Malcolm Tan, not ranked by the WBC at all.

No sorry, you lied, I didn't.

[Enlightened-One]

I just said you can read it in this topic! And you still deny it?! How retarded are you?

Stop trying to employ red herring's. I won't allow you to use divsersionary tactics to distract people away from claims you made that you cannot substantiate.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!

17 .- Amir Mansour (US) USNBC
Malcolm Tan, not ranked by the WBC at all.

No sorry, you lied, I didn't.

This doesn't prove Whyte "ducked" Mansour.

You claimed you were able to cite any "facts and numbers" that should be deemed compelling evidence to support your claim, but you can't.

Just admit it kid, you lied!