How the f$#K everytime Wilder has to fight a solid opponent, that opponent fails the drug test ?? It's very fishy!

[lazboy]

It's already said that he had the substances on doctors describtion...

Oh ok, so he was prescribed the diuretics for blood pressure was he? Are there alternative drugs for blood pressure that his doctor could have prescribed that weren’t on the banned list. Do you think this is his doctors fault?

Even Wilder his car is full of drugs, even when he's not scheduled for a fight, is that Wilder his doctor, or his friends their fault?

It’s obviously his cars fault . Ortiz’s arm full of drugs, it’s his veins fault.

[candyslim]

I asked a few pages back "Is Wilder permitted to waive his rights and fight Ortiz anyway with his title on the line?

If he isn't (and his people should know) then claiming he wants to go ahead with the fight anyway is meaningless posturing, or at least just meaningless. If this fight goes ahead anyway I will never question Wilder again, but how many more times would this situation (dangerous foreigner fails VADA test - Wilder fight cancelled) need to recurr before those convinced it's all on the level begin to wonder ... one, two, ten?

Wilder may be entirely innocent in all of this but do you trust Al Haymon? Do you think he wouldn't try to influence VADA, Sulaiman, etc. to get what he wants i.e. protect his investment? Are VADA going to tell him to do one because they are an independent organisation of integrity answerable only to themselves and to the law of the land? - Maybe ... maybe not.

I don't pretend to know the answers but I think this is a real concern. Joshua doesn't ever seem to have any problems. Is that because UKAD aren't up to the task of vetting him and his opponents for illegal substances or are they subject to similar pressures as I've suggested VADA might be?

Maybe Wilder is just extremely unlucky. I really do want to believe in him and I'd already started down that road. The only thing I'm certain about is that I'm sick to the back teeth of being denied the opportunity of watching great fights involving Deontay Wilder.

[Enlightened-One]

I asked a few pages back "Is Wilder permitted to waive his rights and fight Ortiz anyway with his title on the line?

If he isn't (and his people should know) then claiming he wants to go ahead with the fight anyway is meaningless posturing, or at least just meaningless. If this fight goes ahead anyway I will never question Wilder again, but how many more times would this situation (dangerous foreigner fails VADA test - Wilder fight cancelled) need to recurr before those convinced it's all on the level begin to wonder ... one, two, ten?

Wilder may be entirely innocent in all of this but do you trust Al Haymon? Do you think he wouldn't try to influence VADA, Sulaiman, etc. to get what he wants i.e. protect his investment? Are VADA going to tell him to do one because they are an independent organisation of integrity answerable only to themselves and to the law of the land? - Maybe ... maybe not.

I don't pretend to know the answers but I think this is a real concern. Joshua doesn't ever seem to have any problems. Is that because UKAD aren't up to the task of vetting him and his opponents for illegal substances or are they subject to similar pressures as I've suggested VADA might be?

Maybe Wilder is just extremely unlucky. I really do want to believe in him and I'd already started down that road. The only thing I'm certain about is that I'm sick to the back teeth of being denied the opportunity of watching great fights involving Deontay Wilder.

According to the WBC’s own rules, Luis Ortiz should automatically receive an immediate suspension from participating in any WBC sanctioned event, including those of any WBC-affiliated organisations.

It’s technically possible for Wilder and Ortiz to still fight, if the bout is sanctioned by another organisation, such as the hideously rancid LBF (as we saw with Haye-Chisora), but I doubt that Deontay Wilder would want to be stripped of his WBC world title, due to circumventing their rules.

As far as I know though, the WBC hasn’t officially announced their intention to suspend Luis Ortiz yet, but I can’t see them allowing the Cuban to fight for one of their world titles.

In regards to accusations about VADA being corrupt and unduly influenced by Al Haymon… I think you’re talking pure bóllócks!

[apollo creed]

Spoke EO the Grey.

[Badhusker]

How do we really know WIlder is 100% clean? He's protected by Haymon and USADA. Remember Floyd telling us how clean he was then he got caught using the Illegal IV the day before the Pac fight, which NV commission covered up until a month AFTER the Pac fight. I bet Wilder is a filthy as Floyd. But he has the protection because American establishment and TV networks want a black hwt star to sell to the public. Ortiz is like Stiverne, he has ZERO selling power. ZEEE ROOOOWWW

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

[Badhusker]

“I can verify the information Mauricio put out,” said promoter Lou DiBella to ESPN.com. “I’m flabbergasted and particularly crestfallen for my fighter. Deontay Wilder is a great champion and a clean champion and probably has been victimized more than any other fighter in the history of the sport.”

I think you are far in the lead for the "Dipshit Troll Award" of Boxrec CS. If there isn't an award for that, maybe they could start one. Your IQ is probably less than your shoe size.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

He won't answer that. Besides, all deontay has to do is drop his belt and fight a guy on peds to get credit from gil.

[Ilya Muromets]

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

Vityaz man Alexander Povetkin.

[boxing_rocks]

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

I haven't heard him calling out Wlad or Joshua (until recently) to say nothing of having Haymon negotiate with their promoters. And when he has a fight with a top 10 guy scheduled, every time VADA magically finds microscopic quantities of a banned drug. Wilder ran out of England before WBC even announced their decision on Povetkin's meldonium.

[asdfjkl]

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

Ortiz, Povetkin, Klitschko, Fury, Whyte, and even out of the top 10 KO artists like Briggs, Mansour and always popped up with names nobody knows, no Takam, no Pulev, no Jennings, name them.

[Kalan]

Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again. Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Povetkin had no previous drug related offenses, and the Wilder fight was halted so the WBC could do an "investigation." ... The investigation took many months and found there was NO evidence Povetkin tested dirty... The WBC was forced to admit Povetkin was clean, but couched it in mealy mouthed terms that there was no way they could prove he took Meldonium after it was announced that it was going to go on the banned list starting 2016.

So the allegation that came within 24 hours of his Stiverne fight was the FIRST and ONLY allegation against Povetkin... VADA claimed he had a 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in his sample which if you know anything about PED testing is aburd.. That is such a tiny trace amount---which no other drug testing agency was able to find---that it couldn't enhance the athletic performance of an ant.

[apollo creed]

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

Ortiz, Povetkin, Klitschko, Fury, Whyte, and even out of the top 10 KO artists like Briggs, Mansour and always popped up with names nobody knows, no Takam, no Pulev, no Jennings, name them.

Good list. Wilder is a joke of a fighter. He's just keeping that trinket till he will have the chance to cash out vs AJ. The problem is he was allowed to have lots of voluntary defenses.

[apollo creed]

Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again. Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Povetkin had no previous drug related offenses, and the Wilder fight was halted so the WBC could do an "investigation." ... The investigation took many months and found there was NO evidence Povetkin tested dirty... The WBC was forced to admit Povetkin was clean, but couched it in mealy mouthed terms that there was no way they could prove he took Meldonium after it was announced that it was going to go on the banned list starting 2016.

So the allegation that came within 24 hours of his Stiverne fight was the FIRST and ONLY allegation against Povetkin... VADA claimed he had a 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in his sample which if you know anything about PED testing is aburd.. That is such a tiny trace amount---which no other drug testing agency was able to find---that it couldn't enhance the athletic performance of an ant.

Yup. It's obvious Wilder is very protected and the big plan for him is a fight with AJ.

[montrealsuper]

But Las Vegas NeVADA Mafia doctor Margaret Goodman hasn't found anything in his blood so that proves he's clean.



To Wilder's credit he says - at least it says he says - that he'll fight Ortiz anyway. That's the way it shoyuld be. Forget about this drug bs. The whole drug testing racket, like their phony "war on drugs", is totally politicized and crooked and just another tool that the boxing crooks are using to keep their cash cows on top.

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

He's ducked the top ten his entire career, only handpicks patsies or flat out divers controlled by Haymon. Ortiz desperately needs the payday and will most likely dive.

If Wilder takes Ortiz next then you can be sure it's a fix. Because Haymon controls Ortiz. But Haymon didn't control Povetkin so the option of fighting Povetkin anyway despite the supposed trace sample found, could not happen. Haymon knows Povetkin destroys his fraud.

[Impractical Poster]

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

[candyslim]

I asked a few pages back "Is Wilder permitted to waive his rights and fight Ortiz anyway with his title on the line?

If he isn't (and his people should know) then claiming he wants to go ahead with the fight anyway is meaningless posturing, or at least just meaningless. If this fight goes ahead anyway I will never question Wilder again, but how many more times would this situation (dangerous foreigner fails VADA test - Wilder fight cancelled) need to recurr before those convinced it's all on the level begin to wonder ... one, two, ten?

Wilder may be entirely innocent in all of this but do you trust Al Haymon? Do you think he wouldn't try to influence VADA, Sulaiman, etc. to get what he wants i.e. protect his investment? Are VADA going to tell him to do one because they are an independent organisation of integrity answerable only to themselves and to the law of the land? - Maybe ... maybe not.

I don't pretend to know the answers but I think this is a real concern. Joshua doesn't ever seem to have any problems. Is that because UKAD aren't up to the task of vetting him and his opponents for illegal substances or are they subject to similar pressures as I've suggested VADA might be?

Maybe Wilder is just extremely unlucky. I really do want to believe in him and I'd already started down that road. The only thing I'm certain about is that I'm sick to the back teeth of being denied the opportunity of watching great fights involving Deontay Wilder.

According to the WBC’s own rules, Luis Ortiz should automatically receive an immediate suspension from participating in any WBC sanctioned event, including those of any WBC-affiliated organisations.

It’s technically possible for Wilder and Ortiz to still fight, if the bout is sanctioned by another organisation, such as the hideously rancid LBF (as we saw with Haye-Chisora), but I doubt that Deontay Wilder would want to be stripped of his WBC world title, due to circumventing their rules.

As far as I know though, the WBC hasn’t officially announced their intention to suspend Luis Ortiz yet, but I can’t see them allowing the Cuban to fight for one of their world titles.

In regards to accusations about VADA being corrupt and unduly influenced by Al Haymon… I think you’re talking pure bóllócks!

Thanks for your input EO. I’m sure Wilder is not going to be doing anything to put his WBC title in jeopardy and who could blame him?

As to my talking bollocks (British word by the way – no need for all the pretentious grave and acute accent bollocks) I wouldn’t exclude the possibility.

In fact I sometimes wish I were as certain about anything, as half the posters on here are about everything !

[apollo creed]

I'm about to say something that's gonna shock the hell out of Saad to read.

If the fight does go through, and Wilder fights Ortiz in spite of Ortiz's failing the drug test. Not only would I gain a newfound measure of respect for Wilder for going through with the fight anyway, but I'd actually be rooting for him to win for the first time ever.

My only criticism of him has been that he's avoided Top 10 contenders, an shown a cowardice as a Champion. If he fights Ortiz, one of the Top ranked Heavyweights who just pissed hot...that forever puts that to bed.

He's still got it to do, but I'll give him credit if he does it.

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

He's ducked the top ten his entire career, only handpicks patsies or flat out divers controlled by Haymon. Ortiz desperately needs the payday and will most likely dive.

If Wilder takes Ortiz next then you can be sure it's a fix. Because Haymon controls Ortiz. But Haymon didn't control Povetkin so the option of fighting Povetkin anyway despite the supposed trace sample found, could not happen. Haymon knows Povetkin destroys his fraud.

Very good point. If, if Wilder would've fought somehow Povetkin at that particularly time, that would've been the end of his career in Mother Russia. Also I could see this as a marketing stunt i.e Ortiz is suspect of using 'peds' for this fight, then Wilder fights him in a 'fixed' bout then people give Donkey big props, bla, bla, bla.

[Enlightened-One]

I asked a few pages back "Is Wilder permitted to waive his rights and fight Ortiz anyway with his title on the line?

If he isn't (and his people should know) then claiming he wants to go ahead with the fight anyway is meaningless posturing, or at least just meaningless. If this fight goes ahead anyway I will never question Wilder again, but how many more times would this situation (dangerous foreigner fails VADA test - Wilder fight cancelled) need to recurr before those convinced it's all on the level begin to wonder ... one, two, ten?

Wilder may be entirely innocent in all of this but do you trust Al Haymon? Do you think he wouldn't try to influence VADA, Sulaiman, etc. to get what he wants i.e. protect his investment? Are VADA going to tell him to do one because they are an independent organisation of integrity answerable only to themselves and to the law of the land? - Maybe ... maybe not.

I don't pretend to know the answers but I think this is a real concern. Joshua doesn't ever seem to have any problems. Is that because UKAD aren't up to the task of vetting him and his opponents for illegal substances or are they subject to similar pressures as I've suggested VADA might be?

Maybe Wilder is just extremely unlucky. I really do want to believe in him and I'd already started down that road. The only thing I'm certain about is that I'm sick to the back teeth of being denied the opportunity of watching great fights involving Deontay Wilder.

According to the WBC’s own rules, Luis Ortiz should automatically receive an immediate suspension from participating in any WBC sanctioned event, including those of any WBC-affiliated organisations.

It’s technically possible for Wilder and Ortiz to still fight, if the bout is sanctioned by another organisation, such as the hideously rancid LBF (as we saw with Haye-Chisora), but I doubt that Deontay Wilder would want to be stripped of his WBC world title, due to circumventing their rules.

As far as I know though, the WBC hasn’t officially announced their intention to suspend Luis Ortiz yet, but I can’t see them allowing the Cuban to fight for one of their world titles.

In regards to accusations about VADA being corrupt and unduly influenced by Al Haymon… I think you’re talking pure bóllócks!

Thanks for your input EO. I’m sure Wilder is not going to be doing anything to put his WBC title in jeopardy and who could blame him?

As to my talking bollocks (British word by the way – no need for all the pretentious grave and acute accent bollocks) I wouldn’t exclude the possibility.

In fact I sometimes wish I were as certain about anything, as half the posters on here are about everything !

I only use the French accents to avoid certain words from being masked or substituted automatically whenever I submit posts.

Corruption happens in all sports, but these sort of allegations are far too commonplace in this forum.

I'm a firm believer in refraining from prematurely jumping to conclusions, by issuing seriously slanderous allegations, whilst there's a complete absence of any evidence to warrant the justification for such accusations.

It's clearly your prerogative to adopt a different mindset than the one I possess. And I respect the fact that you're entitled to your own opinion.

[montrealsuper]

If you really know boxing now, you KNOW Haymon is one very corrupt mofo. Thus why he has to hide like a rat from the media and the fans. He has a lot to hide obviously.

Now look at where Haymon is at now. This megalomaniac tried to take over boxing, to be it's Dana White/Vince McMahon. He fixed Floyd to stay undefeated for over a decade and rode that wave to start the $500m PBC which was schemed to install Haymon as the almighty ruler of boxing in American. But it FAILED. It failed miserably to create the new stars Haymon intended to create and control. You can only run boxing and call the shots if YOU HAVE A STAR TO CONTROL AND SELL. Haymon lost his leverage with Floyd fading out and PBC crashing. Now all Haymon has left is Wilder. And you can be certain 100% certain, Haymon will DO ANYTHING to make sure his final fraud Deontay Wilder does not lose. Whether it's planting a fake trace sample of a banned substance in Povetkin's sample or paying off Ortiz to dive like Malik Scott. Or paying off Ortiz to play soft and swallow punches like Stiverne. Wilder is Haymon's last chance to save his crashing empire.

If all this sounds too fantastic to believe, then go right ahead and believe Al Haymon is Mother Theresa and would never cheat lie corrupt or fix any fight because he loves the fans and he really doesn't care about $.

[gilgamesh]

He won't answer that. Besides, all deontay has to do is drop his belt and fight a guy on peds to get credit from gil.

At this point he'd at least get SOME credit if he'd just fight 2 Top 10 contenders in a row. Even if they're toward the back end of the Top 10. It ain't much for MOST Champions, but for Wilder it'd be the most significant achievement of his career, and I'd give him credit for that too.

I don't look for it to happen, but I'd be happy to be wrong. It's high time Wilder fights credible contenders.

[gilgamesh]

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

He won't answer that. Besides, all deontay has to do is drop his belt and fight a guy on peds to get credit from gil.

Also I WILL answer that because it's easy to answer. Which Top 10 contenders has he ducked? ALL OF 'EM!!!!

2 of 'em have tested Positive for PED's when he was scheduled to face 'em. So that's 2 excuses for Wilder. He has no excuse for the fact that all 5 of his title defenses have been against NOT Top 10 contenders.

Even if you could excuse it in the 2 instances when his opponent to be tested positive for a PED. What's the excuse the other 4 times?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He won't answer that. Besides, all deontay has to do is drop his belt and fight a guy on peds to get credit from gil.

At this point he'd at least get SOME credit if he'd just fight 2 Top 10 contenders in a row. Even if they're toward the back end of the Top 10. It ain't much for MOST Champions, but for Wilder it'd be the most significant achievement of his career, and I'd give him credit for that too.

I don't look for it to happen, but I'd be happy to be wrong. It's high time Wilder fights credible contenders.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'm curious.....who has Wilder turned down as far as top ten contenders?

He won't answer that. Besides, all deontay has to do is drop his belt and fight a guy on peds to get credit from gil.

Also I WILL answer that because it's easy to answer. Which Top 10 contenders has he ducked? ALL OF 'EM!!!!

2 of 'em have tested Positive for PED's when he was scheduled to face 'em. So that's 2 excuses for Wilder. He has no excuse for the fact that all 5 of his title defenses have been against NOT Top 10 contenders.

Even if you could excuse it in the 2 instances when his opponent to be tested positive for a PED. What's the excuse the other 4 times?

you didn't answer the question.

[gilgamesh]

you didn't answer the question.

Because it's not any 1 name you could point to. It's all of 'em.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

you didn't answer the question.

Because it's not any 1 name you could point to. It's all of 'em.