Let's compare Joshua (20 fights) to Wladimir (20 fights)

[Heretic]

I think that people are bit too early with this best boxer since Ali stuff.

Joshua has fought only one top 10 level opponent so far. He might still find hes very own Puritty before it is all said and done

[Kalan]

I think that people are bit too early with this best boxer since Ali stuff.

Joshua has fought only one top 10 level opponent so far. He might still find hes very own Puritty before it is all said and done

How good was Ali??? ... Ali didn't need Puritty... 10/1 underdog Norton shattered Ali's jaw and beat him up.. Norton lacked Puritty's size and strength.

Did Ali EVER beat anyone who held the Heavyweight Championship for 11 years straight??? Who did Ali ever beat who owned a jab, left hook, and straight right to match Wladimir Klitschko -- and who also had the fast feet and 6'7" X 245-pound physique of Wladimir Klitschko???

Didn't Ali get floored and nearly knocked out by 185-pound punching bag Hen Cooper??? ... Didn't Ali get his jaw broken and get badly beaten by massive underdog Ken Norton??? ... Did NOT short, little 205-pound, walk-in-target Frazier slam showers of left hooks into Ali's vulnerable jaw and beat him up when Ali was 29 years old??? Didn't little Light Heavyweight Doug Jones give the much bigger Ali tremendous problems??? What if Ali fought somebody who could box really well like Larry Holmes??? He might have been trashed for 10 rounds and stopped.

Joshua is a very accomplished Olympic Heavyweight Champion who short, little swingers like Joe Frazier are NEVER going to nail with a shower of left hooks... Look what Big George Foreman did for Little Joe Frazier---bounced him around like a pudgy basketball... When Joshua is 38 years old, no one like Larry Holmes is going to out-punch him 25 to 1 and trash him.. Ali had an extremely poor defense for such a celebrated icon.. I don't see Joshua suffering from those problems when he has 16 years of professional experience -- given how much AJ has already mastered at his age... He already has a body attack, left hook, right counter, jab, and crushing combinations to head and body that Ali never developed in 20 years of practice.

[victor-romeo]

Prime Ali would kick AJ ass. He would also kick Wlad Klitschkos ass. AJ looks to have potential to be in Klitschko bro zone or Lennox Lewis zone but guy is early in career and has lot to prove still. Hell Pulev might upset him.

Ali was a hell of fighter but did get a break or a cut glove against cooper, but Ali could take a punch, had tremendous will, gave up three of his prime years in protest of Vietnam war.I Saw movie called "we were kings once" it is about Ali fighting Foreman in Zaire, when you see 6'3 past his prime Ali move around the ring like a welterweight you are seeing a Micheal Jordan like athlete in action. Larry Holmes was Ali sparring partner at this time and he is briefly in the movie and looks like one tough dude.

One thing though that is interesting and to have conjecture about after seeing all these great Eastern European, heavy weights, is how different heavyweight boxing might have been if communist and Cuban included boxers participated in pro boxing in the 1960's and 1970's

[Kalan]

Prime Ali would kick AJ ass. He would also kick Wlad Klitschkos ass. AJ looks to have potential to be in Klitschko bro zone or Lennox Lewis zone but guy is early in career and has lot to prove still. Hell Pulev might upset him

Pulev doesnt' have a chance in HELL of upsetting Joshua... Joshua doesn't do a slack job on huge underdogs like Ali did for Norton and Spinks and suffered massive upset LOSSES... In sharp contrast, Joshua trains all out for every opponent ... whether they're All-Time-Great or not so great.

As far as Ali kicking ass on a 6'6" X 250 Heavyweight Champion with an 82" reach, 100% win ratio and 100% KO ratio??? Ali got blistered with left hooks from much smaller men who were far less competent -- like Cooper and Frazier...guys who got punched out by good hitters.. There is no way in Hell Ali gets away from Joshua's best ever right counter or his whithering combinations -- if even El sloppo pasty doughboy Chuck Wepner was able to hit him, Josh would kill him.

[Enlightened-One]

Joshua is already big star and sells tickets like a machine.

Who was Wladimir at this stage? Who has he fought?

Wladimir fought Ross Purrity in his 25th fight!! And he lost by TKO. Ross Purrity lost even against Michael Grant (who was considered as the biggest hypejob and Lennox sparked him out easy"


Wladimir's first ranked opponent was Chris Byrd (36th fight) - Seems like Wladamir was even bigger fraud and cherry picker than Deontay Wilder.

Deontay Wilder at this stage is already in top 3 and holds one of the main belts!

Wladimir needed 9 years and rich amateur careeer for being dominant.

He started fight somebody around his 48th- 50th professional fights!

As you can see. Wladimir was even bigger joke than Deontay Wilder.

Idk if i should compare him with Joshua. Joshua is already bigger draw and star than Wladimir ever WAS and he would KO everyone on Wladimir's list with much more fashion.


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Your premise for comparing the first twenty fights of two men's careers that competed in vastly different age groups, eras, geographies and cultural backgrounds is stupendously flawed!

[Best Coast]

At the beginning of his career Wladimir was fighting once every few weeks. His first twenty fights were done in only a little more than a year and a half.

Wlad was making phenomenal progress in his first 2 years until he got exposed in late 1998 by Puritty. If that hadnt happened Wlad could have had sensational battles in 1999 with guys like Ibeabuchi (who was still active then) or Tua, and instead of wasting his time with 2nd-tier opponents from 2000-2004 he could have spent those years facing future HOFers like Lennox, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, etc. and would have clearly had a legit shot at All-Time Great status. Having 4 HOFers like that on your resume stands in stark contrast to his "career-defining" wins now: Povetkin, Chagaev, Peter, Byrd, Haye, Pulev > Not a single one of Wlad's 64 wins came against anyone with even a REMOTE shot at ever making the Hall of Fame!!

Because Wlad's chin betrayed him, his confidence was destroyed and it slowed his development drastically. You could easily call the 6-year period from 1998-2004 "Wlad's Lost Years" because it left a gaping void in his legacy and affected his performance even several years beyond that.

Wlad's 'second-tier opponent' Chris Byrd easily schooled David Tua, who was in much better shape than he was in Lewis fight

And Byrd in turn got destroyed by Ike Ibeabuchi, who was still active in 1999, when he was 20-0 and Wlad should have been 25-0 if he hadnt gotten exposed by 3rd-tier journeyman Ross Puritty. What a HW blockbuster that would have been Dr Steelhammer vs Nigerian Nightmare!!

My point being that Wlad's humiliating KO losses to from 1998-2004 caused to waste 6+ years of his pro career, because it destroyed his confidence so badly that it cost him the opportunity to fight HOFers Lennox, Holyfield, Bowe and Tyson who could have given him all-time great status (which he falls far short of now)!! Because of Wlad's china chin, matches with those future HOFers were never even a serious option, because he was facing b-level & c-level fighters in order to rebuild that shattered confidence!!

Actually it cost Wlad more than 6 years because it took him until 2007 (9 years) to regain enough confidence to even rematch 2nd-tier brawler Lamon Brewster.

[victor-romeo]

Prime Ali would kick AJ ass. He would also kick Wlad Klitschkos ass. AJ looks to have potential to be in Klitschko bro zone or Lennox Lewis zone but guy is early in career and has lot to prove still. Hell Pulev might upset him

Pulev doesnt' have a chance in HELL of upsetting Joshua... Joshua doesn't do a slack job on huge underdogs like Ali did for Norton and Spinks and suffered massive upset LOSSES... In sharp contrast, Joshua trains all out for every opponent ... whether they're All-Time-Great or not so great.

As far as Ali kicking ass on a 6'6" X 250 Heavyweight Champion with an 82" reach, 100% win ratio and 100% KO ratio??? Ali got blistered with left hooks from much smaller men who were far less competent -- like Cooper and Frazier...guys who got punched out by good hitters.. There is no way in Hell Ali gets away from Joshua's best ever right counter or his whithering combinations -- if even El sloppo pasty doughboy Chuck Wepner was able to hit him, Josh would kill him.

I said "Prime Ali" by the time Ali lost to Spinks he was well past his prime. George Foreman was a large man and Ali Ko'd him. Ali had a long career so you can pick crappy fights and losses but AJ is no where close to him in talent or stature. AJ is the best heavyweight in the world right now, but was seriously tested by 41 year old Wlad Klitschko , who had just lost to Tyson Fury, looking very old and slow in that fight. I am not impressed with AJ record yet, he has the potential to be a very good heavyweight but to put him in Ali's realm at this juncture is ludicrous.