Ricky Hatton v Arturo Gatti

[LeedsLad]

Hatton would have boxed circles around Baldomir, wouldn't be too dissimilar to the Phillips and Tackie fights.

Baldomir also has nothing with which to hurt Hatton, the only advantage he has is size and chin, which in this fight is kinda moot.

[dempseyfire]

Gatti was fighting too long and against an opponent too big in Baldomir, who I think would've battered Hatton too. Hatton wouldn't have hurt Baldomir a bit.

I'd take Hatton there, but no he wouldn't hurt him. Either way, Gatti has no chance here. I won a lot of money on baldomir & Gomez against Arturo.

I also won money in the Baldomir fight.
And Baldomir was a slightly above average fighter at best. Hatton would've easily beaten Baldomir . . he fought evenly with Collazo and Collazo is a lot better than Baldomir.

[JDC]

Draw

[Ambling Alp]

-Outside of Tzsyu, the best you can come up with is "Paulie Walnuts", an old Castillo, and an ancient Phillips. That speaks volumes about Hatton's "victims" list.
Beating Ruelas, Ward and Dorin is more impressive than that.

-Hatton was not much more competitive than Gatti was against Mayweather.
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those 2 comments above, I'll just let them speak for themselves. No retort needed.

Please enlighten, give me a retort.

Castillo was past it. Phillips, seriously? He was almost 40 years old. Why is it a big deal beating them?

At least Ward obviously still had something left. Ruelas had beat Leija and almost beat Nelson at Jr lightweight. He was certainly a world class opponent when Gatti beat him at Jr lightweight. Dorin probably should have got a decsion over Spadafora and did get a draw. These guys were decent. They weren't just live bodies.

You are the first person that I have heard say that they thought Hatton was competitive against Mayweather.
You also realize that Gatti was 33 when he fought Mayweather and that Hatton was only 29?

In another post you are referring to Baldimir. Really? You think that was Gatti at his best? He was 34 and had been in a lot of ring wars.

You have to consider the stages of a fighter's career.

[Diamond WEAPON]

Gatti was fighting too long and against an opponent too big in Baldomir, who I think would've battered Hatton too. Hatton wouldn't have hurt Baldomir a bit.

I'd take Hatton there, but no he wouldn't hurt him. Either way, Gatti has no chance here. I won a lot of money on baldomir & Gomez against Arturo.

I also won money in the Baldomir fight.
And Baldomir was a slightly above average fighter at best. Hatton would've easily beaten Baldomir . . he fought evenly with Collazo and Collazo is a lot better than Baldomir.

Baldomir fought evenly with Clottey and Clottey is a lot stronger than Hatton

[dempseyfire]

I'd take Hatton there, but no he wouldn't hurt him. Either way, Gatti has no chance here. I won a lot of money on baldomir & Gomez against Arturo.

I also won money in the Baldomir fight.
And Baldomir was a slightly above average fighter at best. Hatton would've easily beaten Baldomir . . he fought evenly with Collazo and Collazo is a lot better than Baldomir.

Baldomir fought evenly with Clottey and Clottey is a lot stronger than Hatton

Umm . . no. Clottey was winning comfortably at the time he was DQ'd, have you even seen that fight? That fight was also like 6-7 years before Gatti fought Baldomir

[Edmundbowie13]

Arturo in his prime could outbox Hatton and had a left hook to hurt him. It would probably end up in a slugfest in which a Gatti left hook does the trick

[Edmundbowie13]

Some of you really think Gatti could beat Hatton? Really!?

Hell. No. And what is this nonsense they're on the same level? It's a minority view in this thread, but a sizeable minority. Tsk, tsk.

prime Gatti could outbox Hatton and the left hook takes him out for sure. Btw even an old Gatti's chin would never go out in the first round

[IKSRTFO]

bit rough to label gatti a c level fighter

The fact that Gatti even in his prime lost to Manfredy and made Micky Ward a legend speaks that he wasn't as good as the props he gets. He was just exciting. Hatton in his prime only lost to Floyd and Pacquiao.

[Ambling Alp II]

bit rough to label gatti a c level fighter

The fact that Gatti even in his prime lost to Manfredy and made Micky Ward a legend speaks that he wasn't as good as the props he gets. He was just exciting. Hatton in his prime only lost to Floyd and Pacquiao.

And Hatton barely beat frikkin Luis Collazo. Gatti fought overall better competition. Neither of these guys were legends; just good fighters.

[littlepug]

could've been a good fight, a mini classic even, Hatton stops Gatti late or wins on points

[IKSRTFO]

bit rough to label gatti a c level fighter

The fact that Gatti even in his prime lost to Manfredy and made Micky Ward a legend speaks that he wasn't as good as the props he gets. He was just exciting. Hatton in his prime only lost to Floyd and Pacquiao.

And Hatton barely beat frikkin Luis Collazo. Gatti fought overall better competition. Neither of these guys were legends; just good fighters.

And Gatti lost to that competition and lesser. Who is Ivan Robinson again? Luis Collazo that fought Hatton would've beaten Gatti just like Baldomir did. Gatti is overrated and underserving of the hall of fame status he gets.

[Ambling Alp II]

And he beat Ruelas. And beat Tracy Harris Patterson twice. And beat other guys who piled up pretty win/loss records against weak competition.
Gatti was past his best when fought Baldimir; he had a ton of mileage on him from a career of tough fights. If you are going to count the Baldimir fight against Gatti, then you have count Gatti's win over Grove and Leija as big wins.

Gatti and Hatton could not compete against the elite. Hatton could not compete with Pac and Maywether. Gatti could not compete with De La Hoya. They couldn't because they were a few of levels beneath them.

The big difference in their careers is that Gatti fought so many more fighters who while certainly not great, were good. He won some and lost some. Hatton wasn't fighting those type of guys. The only win that anyone even talks about is against the past it Tszu.

I agree that Gatti should not be in the Hall of Fame. The way the voting is set up, good but not great fighters who are well known often get in. Hatton will probably get in as well. Countless other guys that were roughly their level like Baldimir, Patterson etc. probably won't.

[Ambling Alp II]

He looked terrible in the Urkal fight. He was almost 34 and had one fight in the previous two years before the Hatton fight. Sorry if that is too difficult to understand.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

bit rough to label gatti a c level fighter

The fact that Gatti even in his prime lost to Manfredy and made Micky Ward a legend speaks that he wasn't as good as the props he gets. He was just exciting. Hatton in his prime only lost to Floyd and Pacquiao.

And Hatton barely beat frikkin Luis Collazo. Gatti fought overall better competition. Neither of these guys were legends; just good fighters.

Collazo would have bludgeoned gatti. I think the Mitchell rematch was the best performance of kostyas career. Either of them would have pummelled gatti.

[Ambling Alp II]

You have to be kidding. Collazo sucked.

[IKSRTFO]

You have to be kidding. Collazo sucked.

Gatti sucked more. He's just heralded because he's an exciting fighter.

[ewenhay]

Hatton wins this one either on points or late stoppage via body shot after pulling away after a close and exciting first half of the fight

[Vincent stevenson]

Not sure on this one. If gatti followed buddy mcgirts instructions then he could outbox ricky because he had advantages in skill and speed. But we all know gatti has the tendancy to get drawn in to wars and thats where ricky would be able to use his advantages in infighting and body punching. Hell of a fight i disagree with those that say ricky was levels above gatti. I would put them about the same level personally. A tactically astute gatti beats ricky on points or by late stoppage for me. But we all know gatti loves a tear up

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You have to be kidding. Collazo sucked.

No he didn't, he was clearly better than gatti. Much bigger than gatti. Arturo likely would lose every round, he'd definitely lose every round to hatton.

[Ambling Alp II]

Could not be be much further away with you on this.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Could not be be much further away with you on this.

I'm surprised. Was gatti ever competetive with even a decent welterweights? Collazo was a giant welter, I can't believe anyone would think that could be close at all.

[Ambling Alp II]

Gatti was pretty much a lightweight/Jr welterweight. He did beat Damgaard, even though he was way past it at the time. What decent fighter of any weight did Collazo ever beat? To be honest, I don't think I have even heard of any of the guys that he beat.
Collazo got beat by an ancient Mosley. Mosley was struggling or losing to just about everyone he fought from 2002 on. However he beat Collazo easily. Collazo lost several other fights at 147 to guys that were really weren't that great as well.

If you want to say that Collazo would give Gatti problems if they fought at 147 since that was Collzo ideal class fine. However, I can't see how you think he was actually a better fighter that Gatti; not that Gatti was a legend or anything.

As for Hatton, I just don't get it. Yes he has the pretty record and the WBS titles; which means nothing. However, when he fought the real elite guys he didn't do any better than Gatti.
The big win was over Tzysu, who was clearly past it, whom I was never that high on even during his prime. Where are the big wins? At least Gatti beat Ruelas and Patterson.

[expe]

Do you know what the word " slipping " means in this context, or is that too difficult for you to understand?

Allow me to give you a clue. It certainly isn't a guy who after losing a single fight in his career thus far, has 8 fights in less than 4 years winning them by stoppage in a total of 49 rounds, has one less than stellar performance, then goes on to have a further four fights in 3 years disposing of 3 of those four in a combined 11 rounds. Next you'll be saying the total out classing of Tackie shows he was slipping because he couldn't KO the guy who had never been off his feet.

If you want to cry Kostya had only been in the ring once in nearly 2 and a half years prior to Hatton, you might do well to remember it didn't stop him tearing Mitchell apart 7 months previously, now did it? Slipping my ass. Another thing you might do well to remember is if Dave Parris hadn't ruled a perfectly good body shot by KT as a foul in the 8th, Hatton would have been KO'd, because he certainly wasn't up and ready to go on in 10 seconds.

Oh and before you argue about that even the blatantly pro Hatton commentary team admitted the shot was legal after watching the replays.

Hatton was up inside 3 seconds, the timekeeper was just beginning the count at 2 as he got back to his feet, he was nowhere near being KO'd. And it was not a perfectly good bodyshot and the commentators said nothing of the sort, Jim Watt saying "that was well low", so low that it was actually below the belt line. Tszyu was lucky not to have a point taken for it, along with numerous other low blows throughout the fight.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Gatti was pretty much a lightweight/Jr welterweight. He did beat Damgaard, even though he was way past it at the time. What decent fighter of any weight did Collazo ever beat? To be honest, I don't think I have even heard of any of the guys that he beat.
Collazo got beat by an ancient Mosley. Mosley was struggling or losing to just about everyone he fought from 2002 on. However he beat Collazo easily. Collazo lost several other fights at 147 to guys that were really weren't that great as well.

If you want to say that Collazo would give Gatti problems if they fought at 147 since that was Collzo ideal class fine. However, I can't see how you think he was actually a better fighter that Gatti; not that Gatti was a legend or anything.

As for Hatton, I just don't get it. Yes he has the pretty record and the WBS titles; which means nothing. However, when he fought the real elite guys he didn't do any better than Gatti.
The big win was over Tzysu, who was clearly past it, whom I was never that high on even during his prime. Where are the big wins? At least Gatti beat Ruelas and Patterson.

Collazo could never fight gatti under 140, hatton fought him at 147. Razor close losses to hatton and berto prove his worth. Let's not go kalan on him. Victor Ortiz is better than daamgaard, so was Rivera. I believe collazo,o suffered an injury early against Mosley, but that's a guy gatti couldn't win a second against anyway. Collazo has always been pretty underrated, but this is the first time I've heard of him described as 'sucked', if he sucked than gatti really sucked.