wilder is almost 32. this ain't getting better.

[man]

my guess is he will not have a
prolonged career out of passion
for the sport. so he will be out
at, say, age 36. four more years.

my guess is he fights maximum
ten more fights, probably less.
cherry picking minimum danger.
sooner or later he has to face AJ,
but i assume he is working on
pulling off a mayweather and do
so as late a possible.

so we will see wins against stiverne
and fading others, ortiz would be
perfect in a year or so. povetkin at
forty.

i know this ain't a new subject, i
only started it to get over the useless
hope that one day he will man up and
be who he should be. instead of being
angry about his match making from
here onwards, i will be satisfied he
fullfills my prediction.

[boxing_rocks]

He just wants to cash out against Joshua whether he loses or wins. That is why anybody remotely dangerous tests positive, while Wilder himself is clean like a virgin.

[candyslim]

Rocks you beat me to the punch.

The great unification will be his swan-song unless he can land his best sunday shot before AJ destroys him. I don't rule it out but I'd give him 20 - 25% chance of pulling it off.

In the meantime nothing and nobody is going to jeopardize this fight, not Whyte not Ortiz, well there's still Stiverne but then you can't eliminate the risk entirely or even the WBC would be forced to act. Stiverne is an acceptable level of risk ... just.

[montrealsuper]

Stiverne is the hired patsy. The WBC is in on the fraud because the WBC wants those sanctioning fee %s. The WBC wants to see Haymon build up Wilder into a fraud counterfeit pretender cheese chumpion because they will get their cut. The WBC doesn't care how haymon does it, they don't care about how many patsies and divers need to be hired, the WBC wants their cut. The WBC knows there is no other US hwt out there than can be manipulated and then installed as a cash cow revenue producer like Wilder (they hope) can be. So the WBC is willing to sit back and let Haymon work his magic bulljive corruption. Just like he did with Floyd for over a decade. Just like Oscar is doing now with Canelo.

You can all be 1000 % sure that Stiverne will dive or eat the punches. And Stiverne has been waiting knowing Ortiz was going to exit stage left. The plan all along was to use Ortiz as a sideshow prop to try to make Wilder look better tougher braver.

But we know the ugly truth. Wilder is going to win his next 5-10 fights vs more patsies and divers. They will hope Joshua will lose like Pac did JMM. Like Lewis did to Rahman.

[jamamb]

his opposition isnt nearly as bad as some make out. his biggest career setbacks since winning the belt have been down to ped cheats. you wouldnt be able to knock his opposition if they hadnt failed the tests.

i agree that stiverne again is not good though. wilders stagnated but hes not to blame for it. ped cheats and shit mandatory orders by wbc. this guy has a great punch, comes in shape, is in fun fights, has personality, and doesnt have a lesbian looking bowlcut like a particular russian favourte. he has the right qualities and still time to make big things happen. vitali didnt even break out (with a face destroying loss) until 32, wlad went strong into late 30s, lots of other hws too. 32 isnt getting on by any means as a hw.

[man]

his opposition isnt nearly as bad as some make out. his biggest career setbacks since winning the belt have been down to ped cheats. you wouldnt be able to knock his opposition if they hadnt failed the tests.

i agree that stiverne again is not good though. wilders stagnated but hes not to blame for it. ped cheats and poo mandatory orders by wbc. this guy has a great punch, comes in shape, is in fun fights, has personality, and doesnt have a lesbian looking bowlcut like a particular russian favourte. he has the right qualities and still time to make big things happen. vitali didnt even break out until 32, wlad went strong into late 30s, lots of other hws too. 32 isnt getting on by any means as a hw.

i hear you, but he is entering
now into his seventh title fight.
i find his opposition still outright
ridiculous. compare it to any other
heavy weight champion of the past.

[jamamb]

i get u but i think his activity level makes it seem worse than is. hes been champ 2015-2017. lots of champs just fight 2-3 times over same period. not so bad if you look at the time. remember he signed for pedvetkin and ortiz. both top 5. with either of those fights his opposition would be very good by todays standards. unfortunetly his opponents cheated.

[KiwiRider]

Im not 100% sure about this cash out fight with AJ business.
Wilder loves his "0" a lot. He loves the fact he has the most concurrent HW successful defences. He likes the spotlight. He likes to call out fighters when they are otherwise commited.
Losing to AJ ruins all of that. He can make the same amount of money doing what he has been for the next 4-6 years than he would with one fight with AJ. I think the ( perceived to him) prestige of being unbeaten outweighs a one off payday. The loss would be pretty much fatal to his career if AJ holds all he belts.
Maybe I'm wrong. But I'm not 100% sure of the cashout theory.

[Lackeos]

Surely Wilder will fight someone better than Stiverne by the time he's 50.

[Badhusker]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.

Its obvious that he is to blame for the multiple tomato cans on his resume, but most recently had 3 fights cancelled, and two where he was coming off a broken hand. The point is that as bad as it looks, it is no where near as bad as some haters make it out to be. Joshua could have collected Wilder's belt next, but instead he chose Pulev, who is much less of a risk.

[Sagaroth]

Joshua could have collected Wilder's belt next, but instead he chose Pulev, who is much less of a risk.

Wilder will be easily beaten by Pulev dude... Whilder has only right hand and nothing more....Pulev is not Spilka.

[gp.]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

[man]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.

reality is wilder is talking big opponents
and fights bums whereas these very same
big opponents themselves then go and fight
big opponents. to me wilder has zero credibility
left for any claim. talks is ... cheap.

regarding povetkin: wlad was about the
age povetkin is now, when he made him
look like an amateur in front of his home
crowd. we might not know how good the
wlad of now his compared to the wlad back
then, but we do know that povektin now
is hardly any better than back then. so if
you make the case that fighting a 41 year
old wlad is somehow worse than fighting
a 38 year old povektin, that seems, well,
not terribly convincing.

regarding 38 old ortiz. really? did you look
at his record? somehow people managed
to talk a 38 year old with no title fight
into a monster.

the real big difference to wilder is that
AJ took on the best opponent available
as soon as he could, whereas wilder has
not fought a single dangerous opponent
in twice as many fights.

[man]

Stiverne is the hired patsy. The WBC is in on the fraud because the WBC wants those sanctioning fee %s. The WBC wants to see Haymon build up Wilder into a fraud counterfeit pretender cheese chumpion because they will get their cut. The WBC doesn't care how haymon does it, they don't care about how many patsies and divers need to be hired, the WBC wants their cut. The WBC knows there is no other US hwt out there than can be manipulated and then installed as a cash cow revenue producer like Wilder (they hope) can be. So the WBC is willing to sit back and let Haymon work his magic bulljive corruption. Just like he did with Floyd for over a decade. Just like Oscar is doing now with Canelo.

You can all be 1000 % sure that Stiverne will dive or eat the punches. And Stiverne has been waiting knowing Ortiz was going to exit stage left. The plan all along was to use Ortiz as a sideshow prop to try to make Wilder look better tougher braver.

But we know the ugly truth. Wilder is going to win his next 5-10 fights vs more patsies and divers. They will hope Joshua will lose like Pac did JMM. Like Lewis did to Rahman.

i usually try to avoid falling for
conspiracy theories, but i sense
wilder's record being intact could
mean many millions in a showdown
with AJ.

[Badhusker]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

Is it really damning if he signed to fight them and the WBC didn't allow the fight? Wilder wanted to fight Wlad too, but Wlad said you are going to have to fight someone else. Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit. Why did Martin and H. Fury turn Wilder down? Is that damning too? Wilder needs a big opponent, no one argues with that, but for some to blame him 100% is not right.

His career reminds me a little of Brook's, who seemingly avoided the top welters. But was it really 100% his fault? None of us know who they all tried to get fights with, and were turned down. Risk vs reward is real in boxing.

[Ossyrules]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

Is it really damning if he signed to fight them and the WBC didn't allow the fight? Wilder wanted to fight Wlad too, but Wlad said you are going to have to fight someone else. Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit. Why did Martin and H. Fury turn Wilder down? Is that damning too? Wilder needs a big opponent, no one argues with that, but for some to blame him 100% is not right.

His career reminds me a little of Brook's, who seemingly avoided the top welters. But was it really 100% his fault? None of us know who they all tried to get fights with, and were turned down. Risk vs reward is real in boxing.

Logic would say

Wlad fought Joshua as way more money on the table

Hughie no where near ready for wilder. Is he even ranked high enough wbc to be a voluntary?

Martin, was he offered the fight before or after defending vs Joshua? If before I’d say againmore money. If after Joshua, I’d say it’s understandable he wants a little rebuild time after getting starched vs Joshua

If wilder had fought povetkin and Ortiz it would trump Joshua record as he has Wlad on it. Wlad looked mustard as well so it weren’t shot Wlad. It’s a great win.

[caldo2025]

People keep talking about the eventual Wilder vs. Joshua fight but you don't need to be Victor Conte to notice that Joshua is freakishly musclebound in an unnatural way...what makes you think that Wilder won't be hiding in Joshua's closet looking for dirty syringes right up until the bell rings looking for a way out of that one. I see Wilder donning a white smock and pretending to be a CVS pharmacist to see what's in AJ's medicinal computer history.

There's no way Wilder doesn't find SOMETHING to get him out of that fight. It will just be a huge waste of all of our time.

[Badhusker]

People keep talking about the eventual Wilder vs. Joshua fight but you don't need to be Victor Conte to notice that Joshua is freakishly musclebound in an unnatural way...what makes you think that Wilder won't be hiding in Joshua's closet looking for dirty syringes right up until the bell rings looking for a way out of that one. I see Wilder donning a white smock and pretending to be a CVS pharmacist to see what's in AJ's medicinal computer history.

There's no way Wilder doesn't find SOMETHING to get him out of that fight. It will just be a huge waste of all of our time.

Why would Wilder want to get out of that fight? Because AJ went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad? I think Joshua right now may be the best in the division, but people are giving him way too much credit for his win over Wlad. One example; did Terry Norris get that much credit for totally dominating and shutting out a 34-35 yr old Sugar Ray Leonard? Not even close.To me that win is just the beginning for AJ, not an automatic lock as an ATG, like many here seem to think.

You apparently don't have much faith in a boxer like Wilder's mentality, or any boxer for that matter. A fight with AJ is exactly what he wants, and needs. AJ turned him down for Pulev. Wlad turned Wilder down for AJ. Does that make them afraid to fight Wilder? Hell no. There are a lot of other factors that play into it. The only fight I know of that Wilder turned down was Whyte, because Hearn promised him the AJ fight next, and was pissed off. I find it hilarious that you and others have some conspiracy theory that Wilder is behind his opponents testing dirty.

[digzee]

People keep talking about the eventual Wilder vs. Joshua fight but you don't need to be Victor Conte to notice that Joshua is freakishly musclebound in an unnatural way...what makes you think that Wilder won't be hiding in Joshua's closet looking for dirty syringes right up until the bell rings looking for a way out of that one. I see Wilder donning a white smock and pretending to be a CVS pharmacist to see what's in AJ's medicinal computer history.

There's no way Wilder doesn't find SOMETHING to get him out of that fight. It will just be a huge waste of all of our time.

Why would Wilder want to get out of that fight? Because AJ went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad? I think Joshua right now may be the best in the division, but people are giving him way too much credit for his win over Wlad. One example; did Terry Norris get that much credit for totally dominating and shutting out a 34-35 yr old Sugar Ray Leonard? Not even close.To me that win is just the beginning for AJ, not an automatic lock as an ATG, like many here seem to think.

You apparently don't have much faith in a boxer like Wilder's mentality, or any boxer for that matter. A fight with AJ is exactly what he wants, and needs. AJ turned him down for Pulev. Wlad turned Wilder down for AJ. Does that make them afraid to fight Wilder? Hell no. There are a lot of other factors that play into it. The only fight I know of that Wilder turned down was Whyte, because Hearn promised him the AJ fight next, and was pissed off. I find it hilarious that you and others have some conspiracy theory that Wilder is behind his opponents testing dirty.

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk shit.

[gp.]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

Is it really damning if he signed to fight them and the WBC didn't allow the fight? Wilder wanted to fight Wlad too, but Wlad said you are going to have to fight someone else. Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit. Why did Martin and H. Fury turn Wilder down? Is that damning too? Wilder needs a big opponent, no one argues with that, but for some to blame him 100% is not right.

His career reminds me a little of Brook's, who seemingly avoided the top welters. But was it really 100% his fault? None of us know who they all tried to get fights with, and were turned down. Risk vs reward is real in boxing.

What's damning is the suggestion that his record would look better with Charles Martin and Hughie Fury on it. Neither has any business being anywhere near a World Championship fight. However, they probably would improve Wilder's record - which just shows how bad the guys he has fought are.

[man]

i think it is easy to say that you offered
to fight someone and it fell apart because
the offer was turned down. in reality that
would imply that poor deontay wilder is
the most feared in boxing history, since
not even decent journey men have been
brave enough to take him on.

sounds very, very unlikely to me and i
am amazed anybody would believe this.

[man]

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk poo.

[jamamb]

ya, aj dont deserve blame for fighting pulev. mandatory + solid fighter. but wilder dont deserve blame for his current situation either. he stepped up to take on top 5 opponents but then got unlucky. them failing tests and stiverne being named as joke mandatory werent on wilder. if pedvetkin and ortiz hadnt cheated wilders opposition fought would easily be among the best in the divison. i am confident hell eventually avoid bad luck and get in the rring with top opposition.

[man]

i am confident hell eventually avoid bad luck and get in the rring with top opposition.

can't wait to see that.

[Badhusker]

People keep talking about the eventual Wilder vs. Joshua fight but you don't need to be Victor Conte to notice that Joshua is freakishly musclebound in an unnatural way...what makes you think that Wilder won't be hiding in Joshua's closet looking for dirty syringes right up until the bell rings looking for a way out of that one. I see Wilder donning a white smock and pretending to be a CVS pharmacist to see what's in AJ's medicinal computer history.

There's no way Wilder doesn't find SOMETHING to get him out of that fight. It will just be a huge waste of all of our time.

Why would Wilder want to get out of that fight? Because AJ went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad? I think Joshua right now may be the best in the division, but people are giving him way too much credit for his win over Wlad. One example; did Terry Norris get that much credit for totally dominating and shutting out a 34-35 yr old Sugar Ray Leonard? Not even close.To me that win is just the beginning for AJ, not an automatic lock as an ATG, like many here seem to think.

You apparently don't have much faith in a boxer like Wilder's mentality, or any boxer for that matter. A fight with AJ is exactly what he wants, and needs. AJ turned him down for Pulev. Wlad turned Wilder down for AJ. Does that make them afraid to fight Wilder? Hell no. There are a lot of other factors that play into it. The only fight I know of that Wilder turned down was Whyte, because Hearn promised him the AJ fight next, and was pissed off. I find it hilarious that you and others have some conspiracy theory that Wilder is behind his opponents testing dirty.

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk poo.

I don't seem to know what is going on? You are obviously a part timer or not that smart to begin with to say Joshua HAD to fight Pulev, after saying he didn't give a shit about the belts and only wanted the best fights.
Do I have a link for Wilder making an offer to Wlad? Hell no. I simply stated what Wilder claimed that Wlad told him. Please try harder and bring forth a real argument.
I'm not a Wilder nuthugger, but just get irritated by those who blame him for something beyond his control. I pointed out some facts about AJ, sorry if the truth hurts.
By the way, Bellew called out Wilder ya fornicating moron.